I found out on Friday we have a "Dreamer" at work - gone in March

[underpants]

I apologize for the vagueness of this but due to anonymity it has to be.

At our staff meeting on Friday we found out that a young man who is there everyday will have to leave in March.

I was putting it together when someone asked:
"Does this have to do with DACA?"
And the answer was "Yes"

It not a matter of his status changing just that all the hiccups and games being played have delayed the processing of renewing either his green card or work visa. He can't be there after mid-March.

No idea what will become of him or his family. I just don't know.
There were a lot of dropped jaws around the room.
As someone said to me later "Real people, real consequences"

[LuckyCharms]

1. Awful. I'm sorry to hear this. n/t

[RandomAccess]

2. Heartbreaking

What are we going to do??

[withoutapaddle]

3. Thanks for the links you gave me in another thread

I have been looking through them and will make a contribution as soon as I'm able.

[RandomAccess]

4. You're quite welcome.

I wish I had some of the other links I had, because they included more pro-active or activist groups that one could get involved with.

[Ohiogal]

5. Hearing stories like this

makes me feel like we live in a police state, and I'm sure Comrade Trump would love for it to be that way. He has already voiced support for handing out military surplus to local police departments and having soldiers patrol the buildings and grounds where our innocent little children attend school.

I'm so sorry about your co-worker. I hope and pray he is treated fairly, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Lurks Often]

6. Companies that do business with the United States government have to

prove that their employees are US Citizens or people holding green cards.
Link: https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/information-employers-employees/information-employers-and-employees

and before everyone blames Trump, this dates back to the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986
Link: https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/about-form-i-9/statutes-and-regulations

Whether this applies to the OP's post is unknown.

[getagrip_already]

8. true, but not the point..

The point is that under daca, a person could remain and LEGALLY work for us companies. Of course, they couldn't work in jobs that required us citinship (defense, intelligence, etc).

But the could work legally. Once their status lapses, they can't. That is the point.

[Lurks Often]

11. DACA was legal based on an a Presidential Executive Order

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals

There remains some question whether DACA is even constituional, however there has not been a court ruling resolving the answer to that issue.

[getagrip_already]

14. so whats your point? daca is illegal so screw them?

Daca has been upheld in the courts. It was a reality in the real world. People protected by daca status couldn't be deported, and they could work.

You are sounding like a right wingewr here.

[Maggiemayhem]

12. But yet they have been serving in the military

[getagrip_already]

13. of course they have...

but they couldn't acquire a security clearance. You don't need one for a majority of military jobs.

But if you work for a defense contractor, they require you to be a us citizen.

[dsc]

7. Every person in your office who voted for Trump (assuming any did)

should have their work spaces plastered with pictures of the employee who has to go and his or her family. Rub their noses in the mess they made.

[getagrip_already]

9. it doesn't matter if they voted for trump...

I work in tech. There is a LOT of resentment towards h2 visa holders. The feeling is they drive down wages and take jobs. They are very much tools corporations use to keep wage costs down.

Not everyone feels negatively towards h2's, but I hear it a LOT. Even from people who hate trump. It's hard to combat, because it's insediously latent.

Tech workers may be well paid, but we have very much become share croppers in a way. Even in very successful companies, no jobs are secure; no skillsets endure. Yopu are always looking over your shoulder and wondering when the next layoff will be. They happen daily; even at the hottest names in the industry. Out with the old, in with the new. And with the new are almost always h2 visa holders.

I know h2's aren't daca, but don't take it for granted that everyone who doesn't like trump is somehow pure.

Fear and resentment can drive a lot of ignorance. It's all about "them" taking from "us".

The solution of course is to not allow companies to pay them less. In fact, there should be a tarrif on every h2 visa on top of fair wage laws. Make it so they really can't find someone they need without going overseas. That and support an education system that will train people to take these jobs in high numbers.

Oh, and drive the realization that daca holders ARE "us".....

[Juliusseizure]

10. The issue is DACA, not H2 workers

DACA came here involuntarily as young children. They're Americans except for technical legal status, and they're being deported because white Trump supporters don't like darker skinned people.

H2 workers come here as adults for employment. They're not being deported.

[getagrip_already]

16. not arguing that...

just pointing out they are merged in a lot of peoples minds. That's part of the callenge.

Daca holders are "us". But the other side has painted them as "not us". We have to fight that.

[Demsrule86]

21. I worked at Sprint some years back in Atlanta...one day the entire third floor was let go on a

Friday... on Monday, Indian workers showed up...there were a few American workers left to train the new H2 VISA holders ...I don't like the program. Corporations misuse and abuse it...saw it at HP also.

[budkin]

17. Once DACA expires you're going to see ICE working overtime to get them out

It's going to be absolutely horrifying.

[underpants]

19. Interesting discussion I heard on local RW radio

The local host had an immigration lawyer on. The guy was very reserved and well thought out. The morning drive time host let him go even though the guest wasn't following the normal talking points.

The lawyer made several interesting points from his experience.
The massive number of deportations under Obama
ICE has basically run out of the "low hanging fruit" and are targeting people they normally wouldn't.
The hyper aggressive nature of ICE recently was highly unusual and unwarranted in his view

His main point was that ICE has established its infrastructure and has had a tremendous increase in equipment purchases. They are trying to justify the investment in them but he didn't say in the typical cynical "spending all your budget" government waste language.

[Juliusseizure]

18. Trump Supporters are Cruel POS on this

To support the deportation of persons brought here involuntarily as children who are now adults, or who have been here 20-30 years and have American children, separating children from their parents, is cruel.

"Well they're illegal" says the fake Christian "pro-life" racist Trump supporter.

Well, you're causing babies to be basically orphaned because you're a racist POS.

The punishment should fit the "crime", and its more a violation than a crime since there's no intent to harm. DACA haven't even committed a crime; young children can't commit crimes.

Trump supporters may also have heard of the statute of limitations, since plenty of them are familiar with the criminal justice system. Depending on the crime, a prosecutor has a certain number of years to bring the case or he's prevented.

Why's that? One reason is prosecuting certain crimes that have remained dormant for a length of time becomes more cruel than appropriate punishment. That's the case here.

Any 5 year old with a conscience understands all of this.

This is the same group who demanded Japanese internment camps, and all manner of cruelty in American history.

[Demsrule86]

20. Heartbreaking. This is why I say within reason take the deal the GOP offers if they offer one...as

we have no way to help the dreamers on our own. Whatever pound of flesh they require can be fixed when we get back in power.