Carl Bernstein: "These could be the darkest days since Joe McCarthy"

[triron]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/carl-bernstein-joe-mccarthy-gop-memo_us_5a75045ae4b01ce33eb2d757?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

[IluvPitties]

1. These are the darkest days I have lived, politically speaking.

[triron]

2. same here

I'm 71.

[RKP5637]

6. It seems worse than Nixon, all of the tangent connections and a foreign power. Nixon wanted

an overthrow of a political party. This is getting more like wanting the overthrow of a democracy aided by a foreign power.

[triron]

11. This is definitely a crime of the highest sort.

If Not treason it should be.

[RKP5637]

12. IMO it's getting damn close to espionage if not even getting close treason. I still think many

Americans are a bit clueless as to how dangerous this is. Trump, is trying IMO to install himself as a dictator and to end the US democracy, with him making all the calls.

[RandomAccess]

23. I'll be 70 later this month

(OH, GOD I hate to say that -- other people are 70, not ME!)

And I agree. I'm alternately terrified, and optimistic, but .... more and more terrified as the days go on, with this full court press assault on the FBI. I was just reading this thread and the thread on Twitter and -the incredible danger it represent is unbelievable.



Fox's Greg Jarrett launches new smear against Rosenstein to try to help Trump
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210183331

[50 Shades Of Blue]

3. Ditto and I remember Watergate.

[Still In Wisconsin]

4. Me too... I was born in '65

I remember Vietnam and Watergate as a little kid, lived through Reagan during HS and college, and of course Bush at the turn of the millennium.

To say that I'd take Bush or Reagan back under any circumstances would once have been ridiculous. Now... sigh.

[spanone]

5. Darker...imagine if McCarthy was president.

[RKP5637]

8. Yeah! And getting worse day by day. My fear is tRump will start a major war as a detraction. The

guy is a loon.

[cwydro]

33. This is what I fear also.

Scary times.

[VOX]

7. Absolutely fucking noir. Far more people are suffering/going to suffer under 45's administration.

Not to sell the McCarthy era short as a horrible chapter in American history, but far more people are living under the direct threat of being displaced, deported, imprisoned, cut off, cast out. For people of color, their safety and peaceful existence is in severe jeopardy. Regulations have been abolished, so our water and air are turning into shit. All the wealth is going upstream, and it's not going to be spread around. According to our current "president," the free press is "an enemy of the people."

And we've now got most of the Republican Party lining up behind Trump, thus lending credence and support for this radical right-wing coup and some ungodly fascination with untrustworthy Russia. You can bet these fuckers are coming hot and hard for Medicare and Social Security.

[RKP5637]

9. Exactly!!! "... this radical right-wing coup and some ungodly fascination

with untrustworthy Russia."

[VOX]

13. Yes! We need some damned answers about Russia, and the right-wing's desire to meld with them.

And I don't buy the "it's good to be friendly with Russia" line. Russia is NOT a decent entity -- it's an oligarchy that's been under Putin's rule for 17 years (how un-democratic can it be?). They dispose of their political enemies, and use organized crime to take care of business. Russia screws with elections all over the globe. They are behind Brexit (along with the far-right Mercers, who bankroll Breitbart). It is NOT a country that the U.S. has had a lot in common with, other that destroying the Third Reich.

I do know that white nationalists envision a White Empire stretching from North America, across Northern Europe and into what Alex Jones has called "Christian Russia." I suppose they envision building walls everywhere and battling the desperate and unforgivably brown hordes who will be migrating northward as climate change wipes out crops and water. Why try to fix climate change with science, when you can use it to advantage for the racist, billionaire oligarchs?

[RKP5637]

17. Basically, the GOP goal is to overthrow the US government IMO. What else can one eventually

conclude, that it smells like a coup. The GOP wants to end the US democracy, IMO.

[DBoon]

19. Their goal is to overthrow Enlightenment ideas of liberty and representative government

And replace them with an absolute tyranny based on race and religion

We are moving back before the 18th century

[VOX]

24. It's crazy. How do they think America can remain competitive by turning out the lights of democracy?

Why turn America into a shithole? Why all the daily (hourly) chaos? Is it all just similar random events occurring simultaneously? Or is it pretty-much just WYSIWYG?

[DBoon]

25. They don't care about our standing in the world

They care about their hold on power

Somehow they think history is on their side. They think they are the elite who should always have power. They view modernism as an aberration.

[radius777]

31. democracy leads to diversity

which is thus a threat to whiteness, therefore democracy must be discarded, hence the fascination with Putin/Russia, a white dictatorship.

[VOX]

22. I agree, but to what end? Yes, they want to end democracy, but replace it with an.........?

Oligarchy? Fascist dictatorship? An Ayn-Randian nightmare? Is it just a need to be the "boss"? What do they think they'll gain by destroying everything?

[RKP5637]

26. I think they want absolute authoritarian rule with absolute power, with corporate

domination ... and working serfs, and a dystopian society. IMO there is a strong element of sadistic behaviour in the GOP rule. Yes, a fascist dictatorship run by white supremacists.

[VOX]

32. This is pretty much my conclusion as well.

The seismic shift away from democracy and toward totalitarian rule is still difficult to grasp, given the sweeping enormity of scale one must apply in order to comprehend the gravity of the issue.

But there are fairly clear signs and signals that illustrate the current (mis)administration’s desires to completely stamp out independent thought (and thus make minds more malleable).

[lindysalsagal]

10. It was all in McCarthy's imagination: These mobster money launderers are real.

They didn't just break in and read some files.....

[Boomerproud]

14. Carl Bernstein must be getting tired of being right and feeling like he's howling at the wind.

Dark Days Indeed!

[SunSeeker]

15. This is worse. McCarthy was not conspiring with our foreign adversary.

And he wasn't President.

[dalton99a]

20. +1

[Golden Raisin]

16. Absolutely unprecedented and abnormal in my lifetime.

Truman was President when I was born.

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. Politically, yes.....

I will say that it was horrifying to live thru Walter Cronkite, at the end of his daily broadcast, listing the number of young men who had died that day.
All for nothing.

[Elwood P Dowd]

21. I'm 70, these are the darkest days I've ever seen.

Crazy Joe was nothing compared to the danger of Trump and what is the present day republican party. I would even say this is worse than the Vietnam War era even though I was drafted during that shit. It's worse because these guys are both criminals and traitors. It's worse because they control the White House, The Senate, The House, The Supreme Court, and most of the states. It's worse because they have destroyed free and fair elections in many areas of the country. It's worse because they have a massive propaganda machine that poisons the brains of nearly half the voting population.

[Pauldg47]

28. Im 70 too and you are right.

[world wide wally]

27. I can't help but keep thinking to myself, "How the fuck did Russia take us over"?

How did they get a Fox News to work for them?

[TygrBright]

29. My 88-year-old mother says it's scarier than any time in her lifetime.

She lived through the Depression, WWII, Korea, the McCarthy era, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Watergate, the Church Committee hearings, Iran-Contra, the Clinton Impeachment, 9-11, and everything else over those years.

She admits, from time to time, that she's rather glad she's not likely to be around too much longer because the scope of the mess and the pain of the cleanup will be awful.

It makes me really sad.

regretfully,
Bright

[MFM008]

30. It's terrible

The stupid bastards that voted for him have brought us to this.