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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 06:57 PM Feb 2018

The U.S. government is set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year

By Heather Long at the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/03/the-u-s-government-is-set-to-borrow-nearly-1-trillion-this-year/?utm_term=.b01df6043358

"SNIP...........

It was another crazy news week, so it's understandable if you missed a small but important announcement from the Treasury Department: The federal government is on track to borrow nearly $1 trillion this fiscal year — Trump's first full year in charge of the budget.

That's almost double what the government borrowed in fiscal year 2017.

Here are the exact figures: The U.S. Treasury expects to borrow $955 billion this fiscal year, according to a documents released Wednesday. It's the highest amount of borrowing in six years, and a big jump from the $519 billion the federal government borrowed last year.

......

Treasury mainly attributed the increase to the “fiscal outlook.” The Congressional Budget Office was more blunt. In a report this week, the CBO said tax receipts are going to be lower because of the new tax law.

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Voltaire2

(13,061 posts)
2. this is what these fuckwits do every time they get into power, since reagan.
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 07:04 PM
Feb 2018

They deliberately execute the opposite of keynesian counter-cyclical policies, blowing huge deficits in the midst of a boom. This generates an exaggerated end of boom bubble, and in the ensuing crash Democrats get back in power, and get handed the broom to clean up the mess. Being the responsible party, the Democrats do just that, and the fuckwits exploit the unpopularity of the cleanup to get themselves re-elected again. Rinse and repeat.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
3. Deficits don't matter as long as redumbliCONs are overspending and providing
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 07:05 PM
Feb 2018

tax cuts to the very wealthiest!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
4. Borrow from where?
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 07:07 PM
Feb 2018

China, Russia. Middle and poor class can't sustain this country on our own, especially to keep profits in the pockets of the rich. No matter if they cut all the governmental assistant programs and close majority of the governmental departments, it still be put the USA in a depression.

G O P do not know to govern.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
8. The U.S. Government borrowed from me once.Yes it did...I got a good rate too. I ain't rich.
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 11:19 PM
Feb 2018

I set up an account with the U.S. Treasury. You do this by sending a certified cashiers check say for $1000 to purchase say a 10 year bond. Then, the government will pay you interest on that bond, (after it makes sure your check is good) every six months. (It can be more, but it must be a cashiers check, certified) Then you have an account....
So after I set up an account in 96, I bought a 30 years bond..for a certain amount..and federal government pays 6 and 3/4 percent on the money I loaned it in 96. It has been paying that interest every six months for the last 22 years. Not a bad deal, and anyone can set up an account like this..... (6 and 3/4 was the going rate in for a 30 year bond in 1996..mortgages cost much more than they do now, and interest rates in banks were also much higher..)

...Here is how it happened...In the 80s the Democratic Party complained that only banks could help finance loans to the United States Treasury...So the Republicans agreed to allow normal investors like me, invest in U.S. treasury loans. So that is how these accounts were set up.. So the answer is...The Government of the United States borrows from its citizens, banks, IRAS. Pension Funds.. other countries ..and guess what? I have heard that the social security fund, has investments in bonds and government "notes"...(notes are loans that are 10 years and less) they are just as good as the "bonds"

Why are they just as good?...here is the key.....If the U.S. government does not pay the interest on its loans then all of us are fucked...because paying back loans supports the value of the government"s ...money..the dollars we spend on stuff. Let's say the government does not pay the interest on loans, or the loans themselves. What happens to those who have invested?..Fucked again. You see, the U.S. Government must pay the interest first to keep its good name to the borrowing community. Therefore it pays. It pays well to all who invest, not only the rich..but anyone with an account. The United States of America stands behind these loans..

In 2026, if I am alive, the federal government will dump amount of my loan into my checking account. Also, you may not believe this, but the interest on the loan the United States government has sent me...since 96.. at 6 and 3/4 %. has far exceeded already, the total amount that I loaned it. Not bad??? Oh, why 6 and 3/4 percent?...Well that was the going rate back then ..Interest rates were much higher than. The reasons ...well that discussion could go on forever.. Now interest rates are low. And I am not "rich." I heard about this on a TV stock market show in the 90s while I was on summer vacation. Say a person invested 10,000 in 1996 on a 30 year bond... So the government would be paying $675.00...(that is 6 and 3/4 percent) every year for 30 years on that 10,000 loan. That was the going rate then. I think the current rate on a 30 year bond is 3 percent? not sure..but it is in the newspaper every day. The government borrows almost everyday, so you can buy bonds almost everyday if you have an account........ (or if it were a $5000 purchase of a 30 year bond..yes you can buy them at any reasonable amount..then the interest would be $337.50 a year..on that loan)

I guess this is in response to the idea that Russia, China, etc. lends the U.S. government money. Well they buy our loans.....yes, So, do unions, banks, pension funds, citizens, and even the social security program..Why? not only does the government give a good interest rate..... but they are pretty damn reliable,,and they had better pay or we are all screwed....

and that is exactly what happens when some countries can't back up their loans..the money becomes worthless and the price of everything skyrockets beyond any logical level.. (too much?...but it shows that anyone can loan the U.S.Government money, if they set up an account)

progree

(10,909 posts)
13. You did great, congratulations!
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 09:17 AM
Feb 2018

Here's where one can find the rates

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

On Feb 2, 2018 the "yield curve" is getting close to flat on the high end. Some sample yields:

1 Yr `` 5 Yr `` 10 Yr ` 30 Yr
1.88% 2.58% 2.84% 3.08%

Just 0.24 percentage point spread between 10 year and 30 year.

I looked it up for 1996 too -- here is what it was on 7/1/96 (I arbitrarily chose the midpoint of 1996).

1 Yr `` 5 Yr `` 10 Yr ` 30 Yr
5.74% 6.49% 6.74% 6.91%

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
6. How did the GOP ever get the reputation of being the fiscally conservative party?
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 07:13 PM
Feb 2018

I have the same question about their "law and order" status. They can't govern or write legislation worth a damn. The Dems always have to go in, clean up their messes and we never take credit or even get a "Thank you". Dems just get sand kicked in their faces instead. Over and over and over.....

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
10. Now come the calls for cuts in Medicaid and other social programs
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 11:30 PM
Feb 2018

I'm pretty sure this was all part of the larger plan.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
11. Yes. But Trump is probably of the belief he is going to come up with
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 11:31 PM
Feb 2018

some really beautiful healthcare. Doubt GOP has told him what his agenda is. The Mouch on Bill Maher last night implied Trump's 3%+ growth over the next 20 years due to tax cuts will pay for Americans entitlements. I'm assuming that is where Trump is. He doesn't know.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
12. Of course it doesn't have to be. It is their "bullsh*t"
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 11:32 PM
Feb 2018

The Congress could tax the rich more..they can afford it. Nothing needs to be cut...absolutely nothing..It is all bullshit. Taxing the rich a lot less is what Trump did. The saving's the rich will get are obscene. But ...that is not up to me. I did not make the laws.

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