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OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 03:34 PM Feb 2018

I will never travel to the U.S. again...welcome to your police state

There Is No Good Reason for the Government to Scan People’s Faces as They Leave the Country

Last week, the Department of Homeland Security briefed privacy advocates in San Francisco concerning its misguided plan to subject all international travelers to face scans at airports. Those at the briefing asked questions that should have been easy to answer: Why are airport face scans necessary? Is DHS’s technology accurate? When will DHS adopt public rules explaining what the program is, how it works, and how it will protect Americans’ privacy? But DHS had few responses—and that’s alarming.
Biometric exit is a massive—and massively expensive—solution in search of a problem.

Currently, DHS’s biometric exit program scans travelers at international departure gates at 11 U.S. airports and collects their biometric data (a fingerprint or face print). This includes both American citizens and foreign visitors, and DHS plans to expand the program to all of the country’s international airports within four years. In 2017, President Trump issued an executive order speeding up the implementation of biometrics at the border, and immigration reform legislation this year could include money to expand the current program.

Rather than bringing biometric exit to more airports, though, Congress should repeal the program altogether. It’s invasive, ineffective, and unnecessary. In short: It’s a billion-dollar boondoggle.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/01/dhss-misguided-plan-to-expand-face-scans-for-people-leaving-the-country.html

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I will never travel to the U.S. again...welcome to your police state (Original Post) OnlinePoker Feb 2018 OP
Holy. Crap. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #1
its common practice at pratically every airport in Europe. sunonmars Feb 2018 #2
They've been doing it for years in Asia and Australia as well. meadowlander Feb 2018 #4
and when in those countries, especially UK, you can literally get through immigration in seconds sunonmars Feb 2018 #5
It's not like anyone would be able to identify me anyway meadowlander Feb 2018 #6
I hope not, anyway! Eek! If I really look like those photos... deurbano Feb 2018 #11
The theory is that they can localroger Feb 2018 #14
My son had to get a biometric card as he began university in the UK last fall. deurbano Feb 2018 #13
Yep. RFID will be required in all humans next. democratisphere Feb 2018 #3
what do you think mobile phones, CCTV do......? sunonmars Feb 2018 #7
One of the reasons I don't have a mobile phone OnlinePoker Feb 2018 #8
We are all guilty until proven innocent. democratisphere Feb 2018 #9
KICK Angry Dragon Feb 2018 #10
Im still waiting for my mandated implanted chip djacq Feb 2018 #12

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
2. its common practice at pratically every airport in Europe.
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 03:40 PM
Feb 2018

Biometric passports are quick and efficient and cuts long queues. I also have a British biometric passport, had one for many years, so so fast.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
4. They've been doing it for years in Asia and Australia as well.
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 03:48 PM
Feb 2018

Having gone through a full boy scanner that can see under your clothes, I'm not sure why taking a picture of your face is considered unacceptably invasive.

If my family didn't still live in the states, I would have stopped going after they introduced the scanners. I already try to minimise the trips.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
5. and when in those countries, especially UK, you can literally get through immigration in seconds
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 03:49 PM
Feb 2018

you don't need grilled by the border control and just walk through the gate.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
6. It's not like anyone would be able to identify me anyway
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 03:51 PM
Feb 2018

based on a black and white photo taken coming off a 30 hour plane trip.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
14. The theory is that they can
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 06:48 PM
Feb 2018

...and there is some reason to think it's not total BS. Machine facial recognition isn't about the kind of things we look for to identify each other visually, it's about markers like distance between the eyes, relationship between that line and the nose, width and distance to the mouth, and relationship to the outline of the face. These are things that can't be obscured by makeup and which are observable even in bad photographs. I have my doubts as to how reliable this idea is in a database with billions of entries but the basic idea isn't totally stupid.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
13. My son had to get a biometric card as he began university in the UK last fall.
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 06:30 PM
Feb 2018

Then, he couldn't find it when he was re-entering England to return to university after winter break (apparently, it's only needed to enter, not exit the UK)... but thankfully, they let him in, anyway. (We would have faced a very expensive situation with extremely negative logistical ramifications, otherwise.) He found it on the top book shelf in his college room, even though he was supposed to have entirely vacated the room during break. Our friend's daughter realized the card was missing while she was still in the U.S. (on a break last year), and she was told it had to be replaced before she could re-enter the UK... but maybe once you actually arrive without it, they are more accommodating?

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
3. Yep. RFID will be required in all humans next.
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018

Every move you make, every breath you take, they'll be watching you.

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