The JPRs believe the Nunes Memo's conclusion

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

After all it slams their big boogieman Hillary.

[ismnotwasm]

1. Are you fucking kidding me?

What am I saying, of course they are

[sheshe2]

55. They need to put down the meds they are taking

and back ever so slowly out the door. They are certifiable and we should order the nets now.

[Eliot Rosewater]

253. Why the DEEP hatred of women I wonder? Is it the combination

that she is a woman AND strong?

The entire issue is about the hatred of Hillary.

[sheshe2]

254. I just don't know Eliot.

sigh~

[Adrahil]

2. Wow. That place is full of whackjobs. Still. NT

[Generic Brad]

7. And they were all here a year ago

They will be back to divide us under new names as the midterms approach.

[Agschmid]

17. Most are already here, there are very few posts on JPR now.

IM sure many got bored, and came back.

... hey there.

[Eliot Rosewater]

201. That is what i thought. I refuse to respond to certain people here because

when they prove to me what they are, I apply my rule of not talking to rightwingers, KGB agents or bots.

We are under FULL attack right now by the KGB or FSB if you insist, there are agents here and all over the net.

[Blue_true]

49. Yep, they crawl in, cause chaos, then crawl back out.

The loyal DU people who, eventhough they disagree with eachother on tactics and sometimes candidates, cannot allow the JPR people to devide them.

This is what I suggest. If you see a post that upset you, try sending the poster private mail and courteously ask them what were they thinking with the post. The trolls will ignore you or try to rip you, the people that are serious about electing Democrats will respond to you and carryon a dialog with you until the two of you gain some mutual understanding, even if that is agreeing to disagree. Takes more time, but it lowers the bile and keeps trully good people on DU instead of getting their posting privs pulled and helping the JPR types accomplish their goals.

[GulfCoast66]

56. Are you kidding?

They are here now. I have a new habit. Anytime a divisive OP or post comes up I check the profile. How many true Newbies would start divisive OPs? Hell, I have been here over 2 years and still rarely start OPs. But a high percentage of ‘concern’ OPs are people who joined in 2017. They are always very concerned. And always about democrats it our policies or actions.

They are being subtle now and keeping their power dry. I expect around August this place will look like 2016. Unless we do not allow divisive posters to remain up.

[sheshe2]

65. Then there are the sleepers. nt

[GulfCoast66]

88. ?? I am not too quick.

Please explain the sleeper thing. I was here for 2016. It was ugly.

[mercuryblues]

101. Old accounts

that suddenly become active.

[Joediss]

185. I am

I am an old account that has become active, but because I needed some where to vent my angry about what's going in my country , I been a member for above 10 years or so.. not all accounts that becomes active are sleepers , just saying......

[winstars]

107. Totally! I replied to numerous posts in 2016 saying: "another sleeper cell awakens".. a lot!!!

[R B Garr]

85. Totally agreed. Ive been seeing it, too. Encouraging

people to vote for candidates who tout their favorite group-think whether or not they are Democrats. How dangerous to even suggest that now. Con men like Trump are out there preying on the gullible, and look what it got us. Anyone who can perpetuate that is obviously not fazed by Trump being in office.

[Eliot Rosewater]

203. And what we dont dare do here is point out who ALL of them support and follow.

[R B Garr]

230. Exactly, its a rigged system...

Can’t speak of the obvious....

[musicblind]

100. Exactly! I joined in 2007

and I can't imagine posting some of the things these people say here.

I've been here over a decade and I have less than 4,000 posts. How does someone have 5,000 posts in like 6 months? And then they want to make the most divisive posts on DU? You know posters like that are up to no good.

[secondwind]

128. Ten years here, less than 7,000 posts.

[kydo]

133. Been here since 2005, less then 3000 posts

I lurk, then post in spurts, then lurk, post a little, lurk, post a lot, lurk. But I really come for the toons. No I come here because this home, and the toons are great!

[stonecutter357]

28. +1000

[herding cats]

3. Ignore them, they're consumed by their own hate.

I had to block one of their types today who had followed me on twitter. The rabid hate they were spewing about Hillary over the memo was an obvious sign they were not well. The cute thing is they thought they were doing it in such a way that they could turn me to their side. Umm, no, I have a functioning brain and I don't look to RW propaganda to make me feel better about my mistakes.

[NanceGreggs]

4. Of course they believe that ...

... in the same way they believed that Hillary was hiding the various fatal diseases she was suffering from, how she was walking around in a full-body brace, how she had a body-double who was attending campaign events because Hillary was too sick to appear - you get the picture.

JPR posters are the most gullible people on the planet. That's why Russian bots infiltrated the site early on, because they knew they were dealing with people who would literally swallow-and-regurgitate everything they were told, no matter how totally ludicrous it was on its face.

[herding cats]

11. You forgot Pizzagate.

They bought that one, too. If it fed their narrative, they believed it.

[Agschmid]

16. Also not true, pizzagate posts were deleted almost immediately.

Some revisionist history tonight it seems.

Sure every website has its few people that say crazy shit it when the mods actively delete posts about something you can’t say the website believed it/embraced the theory.

[herding cats]

20. People are judged by the company they keep.

We do the same thing to Freeperville.

[Agschmid]

42. Thats true.

[RhodeIslandOne]

21. Oh good

Only mere crazy shit stays, the really crazy shit gets deleted....

[Maven]

81. Oh good, what a relief. Do they still have moderators with LOCK HER UP

in their sig lines?

[musicblind]

102. Are you talking about DU moderators or JPR moderators? n/t

[Cha]

117. lol

[.99center]

109. Yeah, after a nut job shot up the pizza parlor

While looking for a basement that didn't exist.

[herding cats]

114. In their defense, it was before that.

It was when it drew attention at DU that they began to delete the posts on sight from what I recall.

Once it was posted over here they started deleting the posts due to the well-deserved scorn it was generating. Before that, there was more than one and they had quite the amount of replies. The deletes were not "almost instantaneous" at first. However, they were shortly thereafter, in all fairness.

I'm not saying some of the posters there weren't/aren't decent people. What I am saying is if you toss in your lot with the people who did their best to undermine our candidate to get Trump elected, and bought way too much of their tripe wholesale, I will never trust nor respect a single thing you say from that day forward. You're either way too gullible (read: "pure&quot , an RW plant or have other malicious intentions. None of which garners my respect.

Onward and upward. They're a pittance of voters in the overall picture.

[seaglass]

125. Not in the beginning they were not deleting. Just because JPR admins delete threads and posts that

make them look bad that does not mean we did not see what was happening there in real time. JPR took a very long time to decide that the most disgusting of CTs should not see the light of day. And they lost members over it too.

[Gothmog]

247. That is my recollection also

[Gothmog]

246. Really?

At one point, I remember seeing six or seven pizzagate stories on JPR until the admins got their feelings hurt. Later this may have been the case but for a while, JPR was pizzagate central along with fake russian news reports on Clinton's health

[Agschmid]

261. Really.

[Gothmog]

263. I remember seeing and laughing at a half dozen pizzagate threads on JPR at one point

Two or more were on the greatest page for that site. That was in addition to numerous threads about Clinton's health and the fact that she was going to die any day. I saw later that the pizzagate threads started being closed after people were laughing at JPR. BTW, Hillary Clinton is still alive and has not died yet.

JPR is a great site to go see that Putin is pushing. I tried to look in but JPR appears to be down. I saw something about Cordray being a republican but could not read the post.

[Agschmid]

264. I remember them closing them down pretty quickly.

Guess our memories of that time are different.

[Gothmog]

265. The russian trolls on that site were evidently too fast for you

There are a ton of pizzagate threads at that site. I saw later that after being laughed at, you started closing these threads but there were times when the admins could not keep up with the russian trolls on that site.

I am sorry that JPR is down. How will I learn what Putin is pushing today?

BTW, Hillary Clinton still has not died. I love the number of threads on JPR about her health. The russian trolls really pushed those stories

[Agschmid]

266. Yup, those damn Russian trolls.

You seem to have me confused with someone else based on your reply... so yup. Ok.

[Eliot Rosewater]

267. why would anyone who believes what those folks over there obviously believe

want to mingle here with patriots, liberals, etc?

[uponit7771]

29. 50% of republicans believed Pizza Gate was real they're 5 times more likely to consume fake news

[herding cats]

37. I don't find that difficult to believe.

Actually, I find it rings of a sad truth in this current climate.

[world wide wally]

115. People who watch Fox News know less than people who watch no news at all

[Beartracks]

215. No kidding. I forget where, but studies have actually shown that! n/t

[stonecutter357]

34. What is a national hero? NanceGreggs !

NanceGreggs !

[Gothmog]

248. JPR was so very concerned about Clinton's health

[Honeycombe8]

5. I give up. What's a JPR? nt

[Honeycombe8]

8. Oh, I see. Hadn't heard the JPR thing before. Thanks. They BELIEVE the Nunes memo?

The memo doesn't say that much, even.

The thing about hiring Steele...I don't think she hired him to do that dossier. She hired research on her opponent, which they all do. The FBI may not have even known who paid for it.

[Ferrets are Cool]

26. Don't feel bad. I didn't know what it meant either. nm

[Blue_true]

52. Were you on DU during the 2016 Democratic primary?

It was a bloodbath on this site, people were seemingly alert stalked. Was a disappointing situation.

[sheshe2]

57. They still are.

[Blue_true]

61. Sadly you are right. Most are hiding, but a couple show themselves every once in a while.

It is up to the loyal Democrats here to not let those people distract them from the task that has to be done in November.

[musicblind]

106. Some people skip the primary period.

I didn't skip all of it, but I cut back on my DU visits BIG TIME during that period of time. It just wasn't healthy for me to read fight post after fight post.

I voted Bernie in the primaries, but for some reason posters thought that meant I had to dislike Hillary. I couldn't POSSIBLY like both of them.

It was really hard for me to choose who I wanted to vote for. It came down to a debate question about the death penalty. I was a person who liked Bernie enough to vote for him in the 2016 primary but liked Hillary enough to have voted for her in the 2008 primary and read Living History cover to cover. I felt like I didn't belong in a place where both sides were so at each other's throats... especially the ones who were really, really, really anti-Hillary no matter what.

Because of that, I can't blame anyone who skipped DU during the primaries. I may skip it during the 2020 primaries if it gets like that again.

[Blue_true]

197. I may not visit DU during the 2020 primary season. I will make a call by what I see this primary

season. Already there is strife and virulent attacks on Democrats, so I am not optimistic. Will suck, because I like coming to DU and will have to keep myself hyper busy to not miss visiting.

[Honeycombe8]

143. Not much. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

204. She? If you mean Hillary she didnt hire him at all, Jeb Bush did but yes then the

HRC campaign too over when he was out.

Lets make sure we use the exact correct terminology here.

[maxrandb]

157. I thought it was Junior Politburo Russia-bot

[ehrnst]

234. LOL!!! (nt)

[Gothmog]

249. LOL

[musicblind]

103. Trust me, you don't want to know.

You are better off not knowing about those jerks.

[.99center]

110. I could've swore you asked this question before.

After a quick search, it turns out you ask what jpr is almost every time it get's brought up. Why?

[yardwork]

122. Thank you for posting this. I'd noticed the same.

There's nothing stopping JPR posters from posting here under different names.

[mcar]

150. Me too

[yardwork]

153. Lol. Your post will probably be alerted on now too.

Edited to add that I am shocked and disgusted that this benign post WAS alerted on and hidden.

This reminds me of 2016 when the trolls took over.

[Eliot Rosewater]

205. Can you tell us what it said without risking your own hiding?

[yardwork]

209. A lovely DUer - who has never had a hide - warned me that my post had been alerted.

And then their post was alerted and hidden.

Also, I see another benign post in this thread was hidden. The merde, of course, remains.

Go ahead, trolls. Alert this post.

[Eliot Rosewater]

211. Sigh...

I will just say what I just said a minute ago

I only care about electing DEMOCRATS and ONLY democrats with a D after their name.

If we do that, all of us, we cant lose.

[seaglass]

126. Just checked and you are right. Good catch. n/t

[mr_lebowski]

127. It might not be nefarious intent ... obviously I can't tell for sure but there's a certain

type of person that worries that not everyone is 'getting' what the conversation is about so feels a need to 'ask on behalf of others' so they won't be confused, even though they personally 'understand'.

Again I don't know either way and am not 'vouching' for Honey, but I've seen people who do that sort of thing, meaning to be helpful/constructive.

It could be is all I'm saying.

[seaglass]

129. That is kind of you - we don't have too many who give the benefit of the doubt to others. Have

to admit that the last primary on DU ruined my trust here so I am more skeptical of intentions.

[Honeycombe8]

145. A bit paranoid, are you?

Why on earth would I ask about the abbreviation, if I knew it already? What could possibly be the reason?

I'm over 60 and don't recall it. It wasn't a big day in my life when I first read it.

What's your problem? Are you a JPR and you are offended by the term? What's the big deal?

Do you see that I've been a member here for, what, 10 years or so?

[mr_lebowski]

198. I'm not the one who questioned you in fact I'm the one that defended you ... learn to how to use ...

Reply, perhaps?

[Honeycombe8]

134. I've never heard it before, that I recall. Post the links, please.

Why on earth would I ask, if I knew? What are you suggesting?

I AM over 60, so my memory isn't as sharp. But I've not run across "JPR" before, that I recall. What's your problem? Are you that bored that you search people's prior posts for funsies?

I found a prior thread where I asked....it was talking about websites, so I think I thought that's what it was. I have no memory of that thread, though.

[seaglass]

136. Here's a few examples. Just search honeycombe8 + JPR

Sorry you are having memory problems, you probably won't forget again after this I'd imagine. I'm guessing the poster you are responding to probably noticed one of these instances


Aug 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029418949#post4

Oct 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029760054#post12

Jul 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029352681#post5

[yardwork]

137. "I can't recall" has such a familiar ring to it!

Thank you again for posting this.

[SidDithers]

141. Well done...

Sid

[Honeycombe8]

142. You are being a jerk to me. What would be the point of someone asking the same question...

if he or she knew the meaning?

Are you offended that someone would ask? Why would you be offended? Do you not like the term? I believe it's a website name, too, isn't it?

I asked you before, and I'll ask you again. What IS your problem with JPR or me?

[seaglass]

144. Weird response. I don't know you, don't dislike you and I'm not offended. You asked for links

to the posts so I provided them. They were easy to find

I AM sorry you have memory problems, I just turned 60 a couple weeks ago and have noticed my memory is not what it once was .

[Honeycombe8]

154. You accused by implication that I was fake-posting a question.

THEN you were so distraught by the question, that you took TIME to search my posts to find AH-HA! She asked that question before! Clearly, there's something afoot here! I must alert the forum that she "asked this question BEFORE!" OMG.

What would be the possible reason someone would even REMEMBER that silly abbreviation, much less ASK about it, except the poster was curious and didn't remember it?

I was MOVING last summer and VERY preoccupied. Those were a few inconsequential posts in passing.

What IS with JPR that gets some posters' panties in a wad? Does it have some hidden meaning? To be honest, I'm still not clear on who that group represents. Left leaning but believes Nunes and yet supported Sanders? That does not compute. But it doesn't matter to me. I don't CARE about JPR.

[seaglass]

174. Let's walk through this and maybe you will relax a bit.

You asked what was JPR. Another poster noted that you had asked that question in the past.

I read both posts, did a quick search and saw that it was true, you had asked in the past. I did not know why you would do this and thought it might be a memory issue but didn't want to mention a memory issue in case you were sensitive about it. I have no idea how old you are but my mom did get upset when she had memory issues. The only other option I could think of was that you were playing some game that I did not get the point of.

You then asked the poster who originally noted that you asked about JPR previously for links and mentioned that you had memory issues.

I again did a quick search and provided the links to you.

I don't think I am the distraught person in this scenario.

[Honeycombe8]

213. Don't be condescending. You are the one who got your panties in a wad over a simple

question of "What does JPR mean?" You then proceeded to spend a great deal of time researching whether I'd ever asked that question before (for what reason you spent that time, who knows, except you sure have a lot of time on your hands) and posting to me several times, implying there was some sort of plan or conspiracy behind asking what it meant, since I had ALREADY asked that six months ago (gasp!).

I understand you got a little carried away. Apparently those initials mean something important to you that the do not to me and most people in the world.

Calm down. Next time, think before you go off on an accusatory, hostile rant. You know, it doesn't really matter what those little initials mean, in the end. Next time, I won't ask, that's for sure. It gets some on-the-edge-already people off their edge.

[moriah]

147. I'll ask you -- are you the one falsely alerting on someone merely saying...

... there's nothing stopping people from registering with different names here and there?

I don't like seeing these crappy threads anyway, and now I'm here because of a jury that was clearly an attempt at alert-stalking.

[Honeycombe8]

162. I didn't see a post saying there's nothing stopping people from registering with different names

here and there.

I don't like seeing these crappy threads anyway, and now I'm here responding to a post that is clearly an attempt at alert-stalking.

[yardwork]

156. You're obviously very fond of JPR. We don't mean to hurt your feelings.

It's obvious that you don't like it when JPR is disparaged. You bring it up every time JPR is mentioned here on DU.

Many of us have no respect for that website, but I don't intend any personal disparagement.

[Honeycombe8]

159. You're obviously very fond of JPR. To get so upset that someone doesn't remember who you are.

It's obvious that you don't like it when JPR is disparaged. You obviously thought JPR was memorable, when it's not. You bring it up repeatedly in this thread when it's mentioned.

Many people have no respect for that website, but I didn't intend any personal disparagement.

[Honeycombe8]

149. You DO know that I've been a member of DU for years longer than you.

Why you would be so paranoid as to think someone is fake-posting about a silly abbreviation speaks volumes about your paranoia. What IS it with that silly little abbreviation that has your panties in a wad? You haven't answered that yet. What IS your problem, such that you would attack another poster for forgetting they asked about that silly little abbreviation before.

That abbreviation means NOTHING to me. There is no reason I would remember it. It hasn't been used on this site much at all, and is inconsequential. I also had just moved last summer and was very busy and preoccupied.

To continue attacking me and suggesting some nefarious motive of my asking what an abbreviation means is ridiculous, and I'll have to report it.

You're new here, so maybe you don't know how to act.

Also, you obviously didn't read my post above:

I AM over 60, so my memory isn't as sharp. But I've not run across "JPR" before, that I recall. What's your problem? Are you that bored that you search people's prior posts for funsies?

I found a prior thread where I asked....it was talking about websites, so I think I thought that's what it was. I have no memory of that thread, though.

[seaglass]

152. I joined DU in 2001 so no, DU wasn't around years before 2001!

The rest of your post is a bit out there so I'm going to just leave it.

[tammywammy]

200. You're new here

bwahahahaha

[seaglass]

202. Yep, no clue how to look at someone's profile. :-) n/t

[yardwork]

158. ".... and I'll have to report it." To whom?

[Gothmog]

250. Thank you for posting this

[betsuni]

140. Ah, I thought the same thing but assumed it must be fake deja vu.

Good to know it wasn't.

[Honeycombe8]

173. I assumed it must be fake deja vu.

I'm glad to know that it wasn't. A bad memory is a bad thing.

[betsuni]

223. "That abbreviation means NOTHING to me"

[Honeycombe8]

228. I know. Some people are so wrapped up in obscure, inconsequential groups of people.

That the mere asking what initials mean sets off a firestorm. Crazy.

[obamanut2012]

151. I noticed that, too

They want someone to post their link, am betting

[Honeycombe8]

172. I noticed that, too.

They want someone to post their link, I think.

[airmid]

118. Thank you. I was wondering the same but afraid to ask because I haven't been here long.

[obamanut2012]

160. lol

[Honeycombe8]

164. LOL.

[lapucelle]

233. Beats me.

[Lil Missy]

9. Never been there but they must be idiots.

[Bradical79]

216. Mostly "Bernie or Bust" people and propagandists

The forum was started by ex-DU members who supported Sanders during the primary and were extremely anti-Clinton. They thought this place was too restrictive in the rules. Unfortunately, it was infested immediately with Russian propagandists and fraudulent progresive Russophiles. I was almost one of them, but I came around to a more reasonable position after they jumped the shark near the end of the primaries.

[Hortensis]

224. NOT sensible, balanced Bernie supporters, let's make

that clear.

As Sanders was losing the primary, it started out as both a refuge for both Cap-P progressives who wanted to further their support and a place for resentful and angry people to say what was getting them kicked off DU. And it went downhill from there. Those who stayed were and are actively hostile to mainstream Democrats and include a major Hillary-deranged group. But they've spiraled farther and farther down the rabbit hole into extremism since forming.

Looks like a textbook case of people naturally prone to extremism becoming more and more after coming together in a group. Social scientists say these sort of groups themselves tend to become more extreme in response to events, and that seems to have happened too.

In any case, the hostility we still see focused here on DU way too often on Democrats instead of Republicans is a light version of what's going on there. On JPR, it's fermented and matured into something really unhealthy. I remember dropping over there when Sanders finally endorsed Hillary to see how they were responding, and it was full of angry disappointment in him at the still-rational end and at the other claims that he had been kidnapped by her people and threatened and beaten into submission; she'd also threatened to murder his grandchildren if he didn't fall in line.

Anyway, the mainstream Democratic Party, NOT what's happening on the right, is the big evil most of the passion over there is focused on. Lots of conspiracism. Lots of support for Russia and any other "enemy of my enemy."

[Bradical79]

229. Right, hence the "or bust"

That's all in context of the primaries. I support Bernie on most things, and voted for him in the primaries. Lots of them ares frauds or unstable. No actual American socialist could support Putin and Russia's actions. They're a religiously conservative oligarcy. I tottally understand hating American imperialism, but cossying up to Russia makes the message fall completely flat.

[Hortensis]

231. Yes. You make that distinction SO clear, and in far fewer words.

[boston bean]

10. As far as I recall many of those persons were highly paranoid

with tendencies to believe and spread wild conspiracies.

[lunasun]

27. i sometimes work with a few bobs they are always on some wild conspiracy rant

almost Alex Jonesy (but not Alex Jones). JPR site reminds me of those guys.
There are many out there like that .
Better people than trumpers even with the Hillary hate but so much BS they think, and not Dem party faithfuls for sure
Frustrating lot

[stonecutter357]

12. The JPRs

[Gothmog]

13. Putin told them to believe this

Last edited Sat Feb 3, 2018, 10:25 AM - Edit history (2)

The JPR site is full of Russian trolls

[ProudLib72]

14. That's "boogeywoman" to you

Never underestimate the misogyny factor.

[Agschmid]

15. For the most part that assertion isnt true.

There are several posts there about the memo being a big nothingburger.

[shanny]

24. thank you

I have to say posts like this remind me of rwnjs seeing ONE post on Kos or elsewhere saying something offensive...and then claiming that everybody on the site / on the left thinks that way.

It is stupid or disingenuous or....

[MrsCoffee]

30. The posters at JPR are the right wing nut jobs.

Hardly just one post making the OP's point.

It cracks me up that people here will defend them.

[Agschmid]

35. Im not defending them, I just think its odd people still give a fuck.

[sheshe2]

58. It could be because they are still here.

...and they are. Just like the people at DI.

[brer cat]

74. Some are quite revered here.

I guess their fans don't know what trash they post over there.

[obamanut2012]

163. Literally beloved DUers

It is so odd to me.

[shanny]

36. oh ffs

Ring Wing nut jobs? And here I thought they were the far left. "Bernie Bros" in fact. Or something. It is so hard to keep track.

[MrsCoffee]

39. They went so far left that they ended up on the far right.

Those that didn't start out on the far right, just followed the trolls until they got there.

Not the first time it's happened.

[Agschmid]

44. Horseshoe theory.

[shanny]

120. Doesn't work that way IMO

Unless you think Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" is a thing. I don't.

[seaglass]

130. There is a subset of those on the left who are so "anti-establishment" that they will collaborate

with the alt-right "anti-establishment". The tear-it-all-downers. Take Chelsea Manning for example.

[Eliot Rosewater]

208. Plus they simply care ONLY about their pocketbooks, not whether families are ripped

apart by ICE or black people are killed for jaywalking or gay couples are discriminated against.

[GulfCoast66]

60. You are way smarter than me

Since you obviously have lots of background info about pizzagate and the whole schism that happened here in 2016...a full year before you even joined DU.

[obamanut2012]

167. lol

[JHan]

176. lmao

[emulatorloo]

262. Nailed it n/t

[obamanut2012]

165. They were Bernie Bros

On DU.

Violently and disturbingly anti-HRC.

lolz

whatevs

[emulatorloo]

268. Curious, what was your old DU name?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10182227

[shanny]

269. ???

[emulatorloo]

270. ...

“you obviously have lots of background info about pizzagate and the whole schism that happened here in 2016...a full year before you even joined DU.”

[R B Garr]

31. That's hilarious. It is certainly not disingenuous. Any quick front page check there,

any time -- on any day -- and you see completely whacky nonsense, conspiracies, you name it. ANY TIME.

And many are back here..... With the same tactics. The same exact anti-Democrat spam, with Biden and Kennedy being the big bogey men. One in California who didn't vote for Hillary with the same excuses about Democrats. You shouldn't call people stupid or disingenuous for something that is so easily checked.

[Agschmid]

41. There are conspiracy theories on every website...

Even right here on DU... just here the SOP doesn’t allow them in GD so they don’t get much play.

[R B Garr]

47. There are already anti-DNC conspiracy theories starting up for 2020.

With the same subtexts as before. Anti-Democrat conspiracies. Everyone is out to get him.

I'm not talking about people who like to post about aliens and Big Foot. Mainstream Democrats being maligned over truly whacky stuff.

[Agschmid]

48. I completely agree, the exact same thing is going to happen.

I agree that you can already see it... just check social media or dig around here on DU.

[R B Garr]

50. Thank you. I've already seen anti-Biden spam, the same as Hillary got,

Also with Kennedy. Biden was voted No. 1 in popularity in a recent poll, and Kennedy has had a high profile because of his SOTU rebuttal.

So this goes ***way*** beyond Hillary as we all knew anyway, but couldn't discuss. Biden is getting the same treatment. And it's only 2018.

[herding cats]

104. I've seen a bit of that, too.

I have my hackles up this time around, which I didn't in 2016. I'm sure I'm not the only person whose being more vigilant this election cycle than they were the last one. I know for a fact all my friends and peers feel the same way. I'm paying intense attention to all my social media sites and anyplace I discuss politics. Whereas at places like here I just ignored what was taking place until it was far too late last time, this time I'm in it to win it from before the actual beginning of the cycle. The "both parties are the same" trolls woke a lot of us in 2016. I don't think people on the left are going to be nearly as dismissive this round.

I saw what took place and I have zero intention of sitting on my hands while it happens again a second time. As history has shown us we cannot rely on intelligence and decency to prevail.

[R B Garr]

220. Yes, I've been seeing much more vigilence also in calling out

the destructive smears that were allowed to proliferate unchecked in 2016. It doesn't look like the endless attacks will go unmet or unchallenged. Some people are just unreachable, and if they are unfazed with Trump, then they are really not worth coddling. Sometimes you just have to cut bait. All it took was 75,000 people nationwide to believe the attacks on Democrats, so fighting back is the right thing to do. They're not going to lie, smear, demean and diminish my party, especially with the "both parties are the same" tripe.

Loved your post.

[emulatorloo]

271. Totally agree, important to push hard on this destructive garbage in the days ahead

Excellent post. Thank you.

[sheshe2]

59. Truth, thanks R B.

[R B Garr]

77. Hey, she!

Thx...

[obamanut2012]

161. Wrong n/t

[Adrahil]

82. And lots of replies shouting them down.

That place is a pit of poisonous vipers. Good riddence to them.

[RhodeIslandOne]

18. Dr Jill Quack gives them their marching orders

[Cha]

25. "jill quack".. that's a good descriptive

epithet for her.

[shanny]

19. Really? Or does one believe it

and the rest get tagged?

WhyTF does anyone here care what JPRs believe or don't believe anyway? Does it change reality in any way?

[MrsCoffee]

32. If no one is to care, then why do you defend them?

[shanny]

38. for grins and giggles.

for the absurdity of it all.

next question.

[MrsCoffee]

40. Oh, it's absurd alright.

[R B Garr]

45. Grins and giggles, hilarious.

How are you liking Trump? Funny stuff, eh? Just a barrel of laughs.

[R B Garr]

43. That's truly hilarious. Yeah, everyone move along. Nothing to see here.

What's years worth of propaganda, lies and conspiracies gonna matter, anyway...

[Squinch]

53. Why do you care what DUers believe about JPR anyway?

People here need some catharsis from the unpleasantness those people caused.

The fact that it seems to make you uncomfortable makes me hope that you won't dwell on the next post about it, and just pass it by.

Personally I still enjoy watching them make fools of themselves. They believe Nunes, after all.

[GulfCoast66]

66. Really, you just joined in August 2017

And you are defending JPR?

If you guys stayed over there we would not give a damn. But when apparent opponents of the Democratic Party show up here we are going to fight like hell. I will do everything I can to not let DU sink to the level it became in 2016.

[Adrahil]

83. It creates the kind of internal strife that lead to Trump getting elected.

I'm done with apologetics for those assholes.

[shanny]

121. Bringing them up at all causes strife.

I expect better around here. Silly me.

[Eliot Rosewater]

210. Yeah, all I care about is electing DEMOCRATS and ONLY democrats with D's

after their names.

[obamanut2012]

168. lol

[JI7]

222. they attacked Democrats and claimed to be liberals on DU for years

it's good to keep showing how they were right wing trolls all along.

[Farmer-Rick]

22. I use to lurk over there

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I just couldn't understand how no matter what evidence of Trump's money laundering and coordination with Putin people posted there, they would always get swarmed by aggressive angry members. It was kind of intimidating and I wondered if Putin's trolls had taken over at times.

Two things would bring out the mobs there: saying you had no problem with Hillary and saying you thought Trump was in bed with Putin. I was going to join but felt that pretending Trump wasn't in collusion with Putin was a bridge too far.

[Cha]

23. That would be in line with all the other

conspiracy theories they desperately cling to..

HOping against hope that something.. anything will bring down Hillary.'

But she's strong and keeps going forward.

jpr

[OAITW r.2.0]

33. Is Comrade Manny still managing the rubes?

JFC, it was so obvious when that Ahole was posting here...

[ismnotwasm]

46. I still think hes also HA Goodman

[sheshe2]

73. Oh Boy.

Now that shoe is a perfect fit. Manny=HA Goodman.



Perfect. Thanks, Ism.

[mcar]

155. Hmmm

[obamanut2012]

170. That actualy isn't farfetched

[ismnotwasm]

180. I never thought it was, but

There’s no evidence whatsoever, they just always reminded me of each other.

[Hekate]

51. Sheesh. He's one of the few people I put all the way on ignore.

I'm sure he's having a good time over there, Old and ITW.

[Kirk Lover]

54. I would actually be surprised if they didn't. I've been over there reading a time or two....

no way not for me I'm not wasting my time. I'd rather troll at the daily caller than go over there. I won't go to that site ever again..I sincerely have NO INTEREST in what these 'so enlightened they're in the dark' folks are saying. PUKE.

[philly_bob]

62. Went over to JPR, scanned it briefly, and OP is inaccurate.

A wise person reads both DU and JPR, and doesn't trust what DU says about JPR or what JPR says about DU. They each have their own blind spots and hobby horses.

It is depressing that there's not a hint of a possible reconciliation between the two Democratic/Progressive sites and their members.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

64. Oh?

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/fisa-memo-released-heres-what-it-says/

[GulfCoast66]

67. For the win!

Anyone who participates in that shit is either a right wing troll or off their meds.

The best thing about threads like this is that many of them cannot help but tip their hand when coming here under ‘new’ branding. This lets us Id them before they swarm DU in August

[sheshe2]

78. here is another by our beloved Aerows

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-read-the-memo-here-are-my-concerns/#post-899891

Lol.

[RhodeIslandOne]

93. Wants Trump and Hillary in the same cell

“They’re all the same! All the same!!!”

Fucking idiot. They still after a year of this dumpster fire refuse to admit that dog don’t hunt.

[seaglass]

131. Aerows was the main pizzagate-warrior. LOL. n/t

[mcar]

166. Wow!

Complete with Tulsi as savior posts.

[sheshe2]

194. I

[NCTraveler]

238. Aerows is just very concerned. nt.

[sheshe2]

243. Lol

[RhodeIslandOne]

87. This, as FOX News confirms.....

Lol.....just change the name to Free Jackasses already.

[revmclaren]

96. I hold my breath and slum over there once in a while

simply to do a quick member search. At the bottom of the page is a member directory that you can go to and copy a name from one site say...DU...and paste into the member search. Interesting results quite often. Very revealing!

[yardwork]

179. Complete with a "Hillary murdered another person" theory!

[mvd]

69. I see some bashing and some defending Nunes

I am one of the few who tries to post constructively on both boards. Yes, I feel one board often goes too far in hatred for Democrats and loses sight of Bernie's aims, and the other board is too hostile to Bernie and change in the party. I find myself in between and therefore go to both.

[GulfCoast66]

76. Well at least you admit that the anti-democratic post are Bernie bros

And since this is a Democratic Party supporting site and Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party and often attacks the party why should we not attack his crazy fans. Just read the post I am resonding to. You openly admit there are folks on JPR supporting the Nunes memo.

That is crazy train shit and anyone associated with them have no place on DU.

If you are cool on a site like that the please do not bring it to DU.

Funny how Bernie has not been out front attacking the Nunes Memo like many of our Democratic Party members. And has he released his tax returns yet? Didn’t he honeymoon in Russia? See how easy it is?

[mvd]

80. We don't have to start bashing Bernie now

He does align with Democrats and has been plenty harsh on Trump. I was trying to be nice. See, that is why I find myself between boards sometimes.

[GulfCoast66]

84. Your choice

But if you are down with a board where defending the Nunes memo is allowed then I do not think you belong here. This is a site for members of the Democratic Party and supporters.

But please consider this...supporting the positions you do has led you to frequent a site where the Nunes memo is cool and legit. Is that really the company you want to keep? Your choice.

But if you choose to continue frequenting JPR you really have no place here.

[mvd]

89. I have been here since 2001

I don't feel you should be telling me where I belong. I think I have said my piece on this thread. The real enemy is Trump and the Repukes and I will keep focused on that. Surely we can agree there.

[RhodeIslandOne]

90. Yet someone thinks Trump and Hillary should share a cell

A “respected” poster.

Apparently they don’t agree on the focus.

[mvd]

92. I don't agree with everything they do either

I said that. I like being an independent thinker.

[philly_bob]

98. You are wise to leave the conversation, MVD.

These DU hatefests are exhausting.

I respect your independence.

[mvd]

112. Thank you!

I just had to briefly come back to post my appreciation. I promise to leave now and not dignify the anti-Bernie stuff.

[MrsCoffee]

189. So you bash DU while defending JPR? Lul lul lul.

No need to tire yourself out. Just skip the thread next time.

[GulfCoast66]

97. On that. Yes

But when you tell all of us in DU that you frequent a site that supports the Nunes Memo you cast aspersions on your sincerity.

There are many long term DU members who were sucked into the Trump Nationalism shit than I want to admit. Most did not have the good graces to leave here silently.

[yardwork]

124. JPR defends Trump all the time. Many there openly state that they support Trump.

[Hortensis]

227. STRONGLY disagree, Gulf, that "frequenting JPR" means

someone would have "no place here." All members of what that forum has become are highly suspect, to put it mildly, but whether a person is a Democrat supporting democrats depends entirely on what a person says and does, regardless of where said.

(Personally, I'd also be glad to trade certain DUers who've developed techniques for constantly badmouthing Democrats without getting banned for even a fervent JPRer who merely keeps his mouth shut and does no harm.)

[Jim Lane]

199. As you say, you were trying to be nice.

And you see where that got you.

[Adrahil]

95. Any site where a significant amount of ppeople are defending Nunes is shit.

And I'll treat Bernie seriously when he actually shows his tax returns like he promised. What's he hiding?

[Kentonio]

175. Please stop smearing liberals.

Sanders 'honeymoon' was actually a mayoral visit to Burlington's sister town in Russia where he was meeting with Russian political counterparts. It was a governmental business trip, which happened just after he was married, so his new wife obviously went with him.

But hey, continue your Nunes level mischaracterizations if you wish. It appears creating discord between progressives is more important to you than fighting against the Republican enemies that are midway through trying to destroy everything we hold dear.

[GulfCoast66]

177. You make a good point and I will delete my post

But keep in mind; it should not be surprising that Bernie’s ardent supporters on JPR attack the Democratic Party and refuse to play ball with us. They are following his example.

[GulfCoast66]

71. Well when one site is fact based, which DU generally is,

And one is right wing, left wing, every wing conspiracy based as JPR is, a wise person only trusts one of them.

Unless a person likes conspiracy shit, in which case that person is not wise.

[world wide wally]

116. I won't bash Bernie but I will say this:

He made his point and I hope he keeps making them. But, her is not the person I see leading us out of the wilderness.
We should all agree right now that we will support the only viable candidate against Trump/Pence in 2020.
The DEMOCRAT

[yardwork]

123. Are the posts with feces photoshopped on Hillary's skirt still up on JPR?

[obamanut2012]

171. Yeah, no -- you are wrong

And you know you are.

[MrsCoffee]

187. Yeah, let's get those RT propaganda spreading trolls back over here right before another election.

That's the ticket. NOT!

JPR is NOT a Democratic/Progressive site. They are a dysfunctional group of racist, sexist misfit trolls who live to stir up unrest on Democratic websites and spread propaganda.

You have been suckered.

[BannonsLiver]

196. A wise person reads both

[SidDithers]

63. It's like they've got Stockholm Syndrome...nt

Sid

[ismnotwasm]

70. .

[SidDithers]

72. ...

Sid

[sheshe2]

75. Hmmmm

[R B Garr]

86. lol

[greatauntoftriplets]

91. ...

[herding cats]

94. Mmm.

[betsuni]

113. Good one.

[mcar]

169. Now where have I heard that before?

[Docreed2003]

212. Cough....

(well played)

[left-of-center2012]

68. I see nothing there ??????

I don't read them, but looked in due to your post.
I don't see it mentioned.

[Quixote1818]

190. There is no doubt they are nuts. Here is one post. But I searched their Alexa rankings

This post hit Hillary and Trump: https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-read-the-memo-here-are-my-concerns/#post-900062

I searched their Alexa rankings at they are around 300,000 compared to DU which is at 17,000 world wide. They have a tiny following. If you look at those posting on their boards I would say about 50 active people posting compared to DU which has tens of thousands.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/jackpineradicals.com

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/democraticunderground.com


There are a number of Sanders supporters who are nuts and a small number of any candidates supporters who are nuts like this. But the problem I see with a few members on DU is using places like JPR and equating them with all Sanders supporters. JPR should just be ignored as they are a tiny fringe group. They have no real influence.

[left-of-center2012]

191. I saw nothing there on the nunes memeo

[Quixote1818]

192. That thread is about the Memo but I can't find anything exactly like the OP points out

Again, I am not sure why anyone pays attention to the 30 people who post over there.

[left-of-center2012]

193. So someone just posts ...

"The JPRs believe the Nunes Memo's conclusion"...

when JPR didn't say anything about it,
and gets 188+ responses.

sad

[emulatorloo]

256. There are links posted upthread. Here:

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/fisa-memo-released-heres-what-it-says/

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-read-the-memo-here-are-my-concerns/#post-899891

[yardwork]

232. It's because those 50 people made DU suck for 18 months.

They're a combination of Russian trolls and people suckered by Russian trolls. They made it virtually impossible to have a conversation here on DU during the primaries, and they didn't stop during the GE, they accelerated. They spread lies about Hillary and other Democrats and shouted down everybody who was trying to GOTV for Democrats.

When they trundled off to JPR the rest of us cheered.

Then a lot of them came sneaking back here pretending like nothing ever happened. I am not prepared to be magnanimous. I do that in real life. Not here.

[The_Casual_Observer]

79. I once looked at it to see who was there

Lots of familiar old DU names. It content was pathetic. It seemed that some of them still post here with the same handles.

[Skittles]

105. LOL, they are as credible as Fox Fucking News

[John Fante]

108. When you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.

[airmid]

119. I couldn't help myself and had to go look...ZeroHedge as a source? REally?

[Demsrule86]

132. I don't believe JPR are progressives...and some are Russia bots.

[Sherman A1]

135. Horse Hockey

If they bother you so much, why do you read the site?

Me Thinks thou does protest too much......

[betsuni]

138. Oh, you're back.

What's the national holiday today, Groundhog Day?

[Sherman A1]

178. It's Carrot Cake Day

and I stop by once in awhile, but not much more than that.

Threads like these are the reason for that.

[betsuni]

226. Good. Stay over there.

[Sherman A1]

235. Thank You Kindly

for your "inspired" idea.

It is greatly appreciated and I think I will just do as you suggest.

There is really no point in trying to look for any common ground anymore.

[emulatorloo]

258. There's no common ground with Fox News 'progressives' who beleive RW conspiracy theories.

If threads calling JPR’ers on their deranged bullshit upsets you, maybe you shouldn’t open them.

[Gothmog]

139. People who post on JPR are idiots

[mcar]

148. No surprise there

[onecent]

181. What is JPR??? Sorry, But thanks for helping me.

[oberliner]

182. Jackpine Radicals

Discussion forum founded by disgruntled ex-DU-ers.

[onecent]

183. Thank you oberliner!!!

[PragmaticLiberal]

184. At this point I genuinely feel sorry for them.

They're just lost...

[Quixote1818]

186. Who cares? Alexia ranks them as a tiny fraction of the size of DU

They have like ten people posting over there. Why are people so sidetracked with them? They have no influence.

[SidDithers]

188. DU rec...

'cause fuck them.




Sid

[tammywammy]

206. It is nice seeing you around again. n/t

[SidDithers]

214. Thanks for the kind words, tammy...

Sid

[Jim Lane]

195. Yet another bullshit thread on DU about JPR

Newsflash: JPR is a discussion board. People express varying opinions. If you say "The JPRs believe ..." (or, as in someone else's post downthred, you characterize JPR as "a site that supports the Nunes Memo" ), then you're implying that what you write is a view shared by all or virtually all the participants.

In this instance, that assertion is manifestly false.

Just a quick sample of some JPR comments:

"[T]he memo does not reveal wrongdoing, and in fact states 'the Papadopoulus information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence operation.'” https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/nunes-memo-reports-crimes-at-top-of-fbi-and-doj/#post-900297

There were some good ones in a thread about Trump's tweet, in which he claimed that the memo vindicated him:

* "The damn fool. There is no vindication, nor is such even possible at this point. ... Fuck you, Mr. President – and fuck all of your friends, too."

* "The thing that I don't get is this is a memo. A memo written by a hyper-partisan hack. Some of it is probably 'true', some of it almost certainly not true and it’s a given that many relevant facts have been left out. ... Any fuckwad with a computer can write a memo. What a load of hyperbole over basically nothing."

* "This memo is an Opinion Editorial with by one of [Trump's] main sycophants. His nose is buried so deep in DJT butt, Tiny-Hands can taste Nune’s hair gel."

One more example: In this thread, Aerows has come in for criticism. In an OP on JPR, she comments on the memo, including issues of biased sources. That triggers a subthread, beginning here, in which people dispute her conclusions. After several posts back and forth, she writes, " My friend we will have to agree to disagree. Love to you all the same."

See, that's how a discussion board goes (although not always with as much civility, alas).

BTW, posts on JPR about DU are generally just as worthless as posts on DU about JPR. I am an equal-opportunity curmudgeon.

[philly_bob]

217. JL, thanks for digging down and doing the actual research

to point out the variety of opinions about the Nunes memo on JPR.

I especially agree when you say "posts on JPR about DU are generally just as worthless as posts on DU about JPR." These threads feature a style of argument that involves finding the most asinine opinion on Board A and then quoting it to Board B.

The division in the anti-Trump/progressive/leftist/Democrat forces is not healing.

Now I'm going to wear my New England Patriots sweatshirt at my local Philadelphia bar.

[Jim Lane]

221. Thanks for your support for my post and for the Pats.

If you insist on wearing Patriots gear in a Philly bar, I hope you've recently had dental x-rays. It will help the police make a positive identification of whatever's left.

[R B Garr]

218. Oh, please. This does nothing to mitigate the FACT that they are like-minded people

who engage in conspiracies and are like-minded in the DNC conspiracies and all manner of anti-Democrat, anti-establishment, any other flavor-of-the-month group think. There have even been posts *here* suggesting a DNC conspiracy already afoot regarding 2020....

[JCanete]

239. how is the pile-on here, reacting to what apparently was a mischaracterization of all posters at JPR

not an example of group-think? It is embarrassing when we are willing to accept threads so casually because they have that truthiness to them. WE should be better than that. Sadly, we are not.

[R B Garr]

240. This is where reality makes a difference. This thread is based on

an experience -- something that actually happened. OTOH, I think you know what the groupthink is that is being referred to. It's being recognized for the destructive aspects of it. Now we have Trump.

[JCanete]

242. Yes we do, but not simply because of the ignorance on the other side of the aisle, and at the

fringes. Its also because we've decided to fight this war against the wrong people(the peons and not the oligarchs)and to do our best to alienate them rather than to educate and to understand them. And no, I don't mean we need to agree with them or adopt their version of reality. We need to understand them so that we can actually get them to hear us.

Regardless, taking an anecdotal experience and making it the rule is what Fox news does. It is beneath us.

[R B Garr]

244. Seriously? That's not what is happening. Some things are actually

real. We've already seen this play out, too. If anyone is unfazed by Trump being in office as most on that site show, then they have had more than their share of coddling.

[jalan48]

219. Thanks for the dose of rationality.

[LanternWaste]

236. Newsflash Part II: No more and no less

" JPR is a discussion board. People express varying opinions...."
Newsflash Part II: No more and no less than did the OP.


"In this instance, that assertion is manifestly false..."
If and only if the sample you provided own sample was large enough. However, it's not and suffers the same flaws you attribute to the OP, regardless of whether our t-shirts allege we're unbiased curmudgeons.

[Jim Lane]

245. Nope, you've got it wrong.

You write:

"In this instance, that assertion is manifestly false..."
If and only if the sample you provided own sample was large enough. However, it's not and suffers the same flaws you attribute to the OP, regardless of whether our t-shirts allege we're unbiased curmudgeons.

That would be a valid criticism of a claim that the examples I provided prove what most JPRers think. If you pay a bit of attention to reading what I actually wrote, however, you'll see that I made no such claim for my examples.

The OP didn't say that "some" posters on JPR took a particular stance. As I took care to note (in #195):

If you say "The JPRs believe ..." (or, as in someone else's post downthred, you characterize JPR as "a site that supports the Nunes Memo" ), then you're implying that what you write is a view shared by all or virtually all the participants.

That sweeping claim in the OP is refuted by providing counterexamples, as I did. I did not make my own sweeping claim, that the opposite view (ridicule of the memo) is a view shared by all or virtually all the participants. There would certainly be counterexamples to that claim, too.

I haven't read every post on JPR on the subject. With that caveat, here are my impressions about the separate question that you impliedly raise -- namely, what is the general shape of opinion there.

As a rough generalization, members of JPR are more open than are members of DU to criticism of actions taken by the Obama administration. Nevertheless, for most JPRers, that attitude has not translated into complete and uncritical acceptance of the memo. (As compared with DU, there is more criticism of the whole institution of a special FISA court that issues warrants to wiretap U.S. citizens.) There's a great deal of support for the opinion that the Schiff counter-memo should be released.

If you want to delve further, the latest on JPR is a thread begun this morning,
"Nunes not burdened by inconveniences like facts or truth", about Nunes's lies today on “Fox & Friends". The guy is really something.

[Orrex]

225. Most of them are crazy buffoons, no matter which site they frequent

[Blue_Tires]

237. Of course they do, that's how their kind roll...

[Weed Man]

241. Link?

[JustAnotherGen]

251. That place is still around?

What about the DU (Discussion???) spin off? Still around and does anyone know what they are saying?

[Eliot Rosewater]

252. And these are people who CLAIMED to be progressive liberals?

Gee, wonder why the election was stolen...

[Bradshaw3]

255. Did I miss the link to this?

I'm not saying it's not true, just asking for a link. I went there just now and didn't see a single post on this subject. There were some disparaging Hillary and others I certainly don't agree with but nothing on the Nunes memo. Again, the OP may be right and likely is, but what are they talking about on that site?

[emulatorloo]

259. Some Links are posted upthread. Here are a couple:

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/fisa-memo-released-heres-what-it-says/

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-read-the-memo-here-are-my-concerns/#post-899891

[Bradshaw3]

260. Thanks for posting

One of the links was kinda meh with some pushback against the memo but the other was like Holy Shit with all the comments about conspiracies and false equivalencies. There are definitely some, maybe most, over there with the same kind of untethered Hillary hatred found on the right.

[bettyellen]

257. HA HA HA