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politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:04 PM Feb 2018

I'm sure Mueller has at least one impeachable offense ready to go. I think he should announce it

NOW (whatever it is) . Preferably, I'd hope it would be a money laundering charge related to Russia because that would expose the Dotard as the money laundering cheater he is, and Mueller should do it on live TV to all the world, and lay out all the evidence they have. Hopefully, it will involve Putin and his children as well. This would shut the Dotard up about "NO collusion, NO collusion". Mueller doesn't have to wait until he has ALL the charges tied up in a nice, neat bow, just like he didn't with Paul Manafort and Rick Davis. He doesn't have to present all his evidence in his entire case, at once. That can come later. He just has to present enough evidenct to convince a Judge that the president of the United States has committed impeachable offenses.

But surely, Mueller had to anticipate that this day was coming and he and that well seasoned bunch of FBI and DoJ personnel had to have a plan. I know I would have had one, even if it had just been for a fucking jay walking ticket, or failure to file a tax return on laundered money. I'd have been ready. Mueller's got his Tax Records and he's got a whole slew of agents who now have to hate the Russian loving bitch, Trump, as much as we all do. I'd get a court order confining him to the White House and which said he could only leave town with a Court Judge's permission. He would not be able to travel to any of his houses or golf courses. or out of the Country because he's be deemed a flight risk, and he'd have to wear a monitor like Manafort and Gates do. I'd humiliate the sonofabitch to the max.

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I'm sure Mueller has at least one impeachable offense ready to go. I think he should announce it (Original Post) politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 OP
He's not going to announce anything unless there's a grand jury indictment The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #1
He might not have the luxury of a grand jury indictment. I think Mueller would be derelict in his politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #4
As defiant as Christopher Wray was today....... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2018 #12
I have no doubt about that. Look I'm on Mueller's side but the reality of this is that ONE man can politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #17
You are in good company pj41910 - Mueller will make his move when he has an asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #2
I have the feeling the money laundering case is the mother load. BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #3
It didn't take him that long to indict Manafort and Gates on Money Laundering. My guess is that politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #7
They had been under investigation for a long time before they joined the campaign. hedda_foil Feb 2018 #11
Mueller CAN bring charges. It's always been up to the House to determine whether those charges are politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #15
Not against Trump. He may be an unindicted, and unidentified co-conspirator. hedda_foil Feb 2018 #18
This repug house will never impeach quartz007 Feb 2018 #21
Investigators of all sorts have a responsibility... NCTraveler Feb 2018 #5
Read through this outline of Federal Investigation rules OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #6
My Guess Horizens Feb 2018 #8
Keep in mind Mueller isn't looking for impeachable offenses; The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #9
Mueller keeping criminal evidence close to his vest! quartz007 Feb 2018 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author ResIpsa Feb 2018 #10
The Congress won't vote to impeach him oberliner Feb 2018 #13
If Congress fails in their duty to impeach and convict...... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2018 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author ResIpsa Feb 2018 #19
Watch the economy for election results quartz007 Feb 2018 #22
If you sit back and run out the clock without having had a strategy, then what's the point? politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #20
It won't matter until helmedon1974 Feb 2018 #16

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
4. He might not have the luxury of a grand jury indictment. I think Mueller would be derelict in his
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:20 PM
Feb 2018

duties if he didn't have anticipated that Trump might fire him, as much as it has been discussed, and replace him with "his guys" who would end his investigation. We also know that the GOP Congress would be worthless to come to Mueller's aid if he did, as they've been complicit in this whole mess. So if Mueller didn't have a Plan B, then he's just been wasting his time, this entire time.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
12. As defiant as Christopher Wray was today.......
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:39 PM
Feb 2018


The FBI will have Mueller's back. Once FBI, always FBI. There is a brotherhood bond between the agents that is rarely broken.

For sure, the FBI would pick up where Mueller left off if it came to that.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
17. I have no doubt about that. Look I'm on Mueller's side but the reality of this is that ONE man can
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:58 PM
Feb 2018

shut this investigation down, and that is not Mueller. That's Trump. He might not get away with it, but he possibly could. If Trump fires Mueller and replaces him with someone loyal to himself, he could get away with it. At least in the short time. If it takes Mueller six more years to put a case together, Trump wins. If it takes Mueller two more years that will be a victory for Trump. He can then say that they've spent 4 years investigating him with all the FBI and DoJ resourses, and so far they got nothing, and He'd have a point. If I were Putin, I'd be laughing at us too.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
2. You are in good company pj41910 - Mueller will make his move when he has an
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:11 PM
Feb 2018

ironclad case.. - I hope that case is tied to NY AG Schneiderman - state charges..can proceed even if the rethugs in
congress refuse to impeach..be well...

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
3. I have the feeling the money laundering case is the mother load.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:14 PM
Feb 2018

It is what scare the Fucking Moron and Jared, etc the most. Also, that aspect of the investigation is probably the most complicated and may take the most time in order to gather all the evidence before completion. Collusion and Obstruction will most likely be easier. Of course all of this is speculation since we have no idea what Mueller is planning and when he will release any info to the public.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
7. It didn't take him that long to indict Manafort and Gates on Money Laundering. My guess is that
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:28 PM
Feb 2018

the Dotard's case shouldn't have been that much more complicated than theirs. Besides, that was who he was hired to investigate. If you're going to run all the time off the clock, you'd better make sure you first have some points on the scoreboard.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
11. They had been under investigation for a long time before they joined the campaign.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:35 PM
Feb 2018

And Mueller can't bring impeachment charges. Even if he reports something indictable, that's up to the House.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
15. Mueller CAN bring charges. It's always been up to the House to determine whether those charges are
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:47 PM
Feb 2018

Impeachable or not. But if you don't bring ANY charges, you can guarantee that you have NO Impeachable offenses.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
18. Not against Trump. He may be an unindicted, and unidentified co-conspirator.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 10:02 PM
Feb 2018

There will be many indictments but the chance that he will bring an indictment against a sitting president is minimal to none.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. Investigators of all sorts have a responsibility...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:21 PM
Feb 2018

To take action if they have enough information and the target is doing harm. Sometimes this aspect leads to a narrowing of the scope of an investigation at that point. If Mueller has something concrete on Trump it will be delivered to Congress very soon after this move. If Mueller doesn’t deliver anything to congress in the next two weeks I will simply assume all he has on Trump at this point is obstruction and it’s the bigger picture he is looking at.

 

Horizens

(637 posts)
8. My Guess
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:32 PM
Feb 2018

Obstruction of justice is a no brainer but Mueller wants to establish a motive for the obstruction (money ties to Russia)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
9. Keep in mind Mueller isn't looking for impeachable offenses;
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:32 PM
Feb 2018

he's looking for crimes. Impeachment is a political act, not a criminal prosecution, and "high crimes and misdemeanors" can be anything Congress wants them to be, including acts that are not statutory crimes. The acts leading to an indictment, or the naming of someone as an unindicted co-conspirator like Nixon, can be the basis of articles of impeachment if the House so decides, but that's not Mueller's concern.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
23. Mueller keeping criminal evidence close to his vest!
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 11:39 AM
Feb 2018

I check news everyday for some leaks about criminal evidence against tRump, Waiting patiently but will not hold my breath.

Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
14. If Congress fails in their duty to impeach and convict......
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:45 PM
Feb 2018


Then they will pay at the ballot box. They will be found guilty of malfeasance and dereliction of duty, which will be difficult to defend to voters if Trump is allowed to skate despite damning evidence to the contrary.

Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #14)

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
22. Watch the economy for election results
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 10:44 PM
Feb 2018

97.5% of sheeple voters don't know who Mueller is. All they care if they have a job and getting raises/bonuses.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
20. If you sit back and run out the clock without having had a strategy, then what's the point?
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 10:32 PM
Feb 2018

Prosecutors in states across the country have Statute of Limitations that they have to deal with everyday. I'd imagine that they keep that in the forefront of their minds. After all, it they run out the clock, without bringing a single charge, than what purpose did they serve. Now if they don't have any evidence, than they can't just make it up. But all the former DOJ and FBI agents are telling us that there is evidence of "Obstruction of Justice" and "Collusion". So either it's there or it's not.

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