DU POLL: Will any of the Trump Regime's shenanigans start to border or move into treason?

[RKP5637]

I have no idea, but I say maybe, but I bet nothing happens specific to treason.

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[brooklynite]

1. Try reading the Constitution; "Treason" has a very specific definition.

[RKP5637]

3. Here's what I found. I guess not!

"U.S. Constitution - Article 3 Section 3
Article 3 - The Judicial Branch
Section 3 - Treason

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A3Sec3.html

[lagomorph777]

11. Yup, definitely treason, thanks for that: "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"

Appreciate you pointing it out.

[RKP5637]

10. Thanks again for telling me to take a look at the constitution. That was interesting and

clarified a lot for me!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. No, because the constitutional definition of treason is

giving aid and comfort to an enemy, which has always been interpreted to mean being in an actual declared war with that enemy. While it's true that we are "at war" with Russia in the sense that they are trying to undermine our systems, we are not in a declared war with them - hence there is no treason as defined in the Constitution. Espionage, however, is a whole 'nother issue. It's just as serious and you can go to prison for a very long time for that. The Rosenbergs were executed for it.

[RKP5637]

5. Thanks!!! Here's a list I found on a quick search.

United States
Further information: Category People convicted of treason against the United States

Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.

John Fries, the leader of Fries' Rebellion, convicted of treason in 1800 along with two accomplices, and pardoned that same year by John Adams.

Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.

John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.

Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.

Walter Allen was convicted of treason on September 16, 1922 for taking part in the 1921 Miner's March with the coal companies and the US Army on Blair Mountain, West Virginia. He was sentenced to 10 years and fined. During his appeal to the Supreme Court he disappeared while out on bail. United Mineworkers of America leader William Blizzard was acquitted of the charge of treason by the jury on May 25, 1922.[11]

Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.

Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified by the name "Tokyo Rose", convicted 1949. Subsequently, pardoned by President Gerald Ford.

Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.

Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_convicted_of_treason

[lagomorph777]

12. Does "war" require a particular type of kinetic projectile to be flying?

Does it require a particular Congressional declaration of war?

Did we declare the Cold War? Did we execute Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?

Anyone who doesn't believe Putin is waging war on the USA should probably be considered an enemy of the USA.

[pbmus]

4. Might not be treasonous but most definitely sedition...

[RKP5637]

7. Interesting. Thanks! n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Sedition doesn't quite fit.

Seditious conspiracy (18 U.S.C. § 2384):
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

[RKP5637]

13. So, it seems that espionage might/could be the closest fit. BTW, did you see Trump today. He

looked horrible, had blue sand bags under his eyes covered up with makeup or something. It was really obvious something is really eating at him. He must have an awful lot to hide. I feel like it's a déjà vu back to Nixon times.

[Shell_Seas]

6. Start to? I thought we hit that line a long time ago....

[TNLib]

9. I think we are past that. His Treasonous shenanigans is why he is being investigated

Also why two of his campaign official are under indictment and two have pleaded guilty.