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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNYT article explaining FISA and why The Memo is a desperate propaganda ploy:
If The Memo is released then the Information to Obtain (ITO), filed to obtain that warrant, which is no doubt very detailed and from multiple sources and very long, should be released, or a redacted version.
They will go after the Steele dossier as being "incomplete Clinton research" without the full context, or ALL the info the FISA court saw. Which is where security issues arise. How many confidential sources did the FBI use? Even disclosing Steele information was used is irresponsible...future informants might want to think twice if Congress can by pass law enforcement promises of confidentiality!
Who and what will Nunes reveal and what will he hide, under cover of "security"? The Democratic memo no doubt makes that clear, so must be released or at least mirrored in public comments...which will happen, no doubt.
So I am not that worried about all this. This hair on fire will will fizzle shortly because the ploy is so transparent and so foolish. I do not think Nunes thought this through.
As a last resort the FISA court has a Chief and itself could intervene and inform the public Nunes is lying. A Courts credibility being questioned like this is yet another unacceptable attack on the rule of law.
"Rosensteins signing off on applying for an extension indicates that the Trump administrations Justice Department agreed that there was probable cause that the presidents former campaign aide was an agent for Russia. Another implication of Mr. Rosensteins move is that he, too, approved providing Mr. Steeles information to the FISA court an act many Republicans and conservative news media commentators are portraying as scandalous."
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/us/politics/fisa-surveillance-applications-how-they-work.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Rosenstein signed off on APPLYING for the extension ... meaning that he thought that the court ... probably would approve it.
But it was NOT HIS DECISION to extend the warrant, ultimately. It was a COURT.
So ... WHAT ... THE ... FUCK ... IS THIS BULLSHIT?!?
I've fucking HAD IT with this idiocy I swear to Dog.
I've not seen that HUGELY IMPORTANT POINT appear in ONE FUCKING STORY ANYWHERE, not even the NYT.
Nor have I seen any proof that the so-called 'Dossier' itself was ever USED AS EVIDENCE for the warrant, or the extension.
The GOP ACCUSES the FBI of 'using the dossier to get a FISA warrant', but WHERE IS THE PROOF?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)a point being lost we get. Fucking media. How did they get so stupid and complacent and just plain irresponsible?
Oh, and stupid.
Cha
(297,317 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)in the FIRST FISA warrant on Carter Page, which was in July. The FBI didn't see the Steele dossier till the fall. So Rosenstein after his appointment signed off on only a RENEWAL -- which wouldn't have been approved if the initial warrant and its subsequent renewals hadn't yielded important intelligence. The Steele dossier wasn't a NECESSARY part of the warrant's approval; it was the icing on the cake that confirmed information they had through other sources -- including their previous court-ordered surveillance.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Steele dossier info is likely not in The Memo because the purpose is propaganda. Any other intelligence and the source would be suppressed to make it appear the FBI using "only Clinton paid for research".
Huge lie...which is why The Memo is being delayed...our True Memo will point that out and expose the propaganda for what it is...a Big Lie, now under mined...huge problem for Big Lie manufacturers. Looking @u Foxxx!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Has he ever lied to the public before? Okay, has he lied in the last six months? Geez, how about this morning? In the last 15 seconds? Well, then, why is the Times being so skeptical? Nunes just said what? All right! Is Nunes lying right. This. Second? Shut up Devin, I'm trying to make a point! Shut up NOW!