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As an Ojibwe, I'm down with this suggestion: (Original Post) catbyte Jan 2018 OP
I imagine some of the wealthier nations could afford to... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #1
I REALLY want this to happen. Think it's feasible? nolabear Jan 2018 #2
I had never heard of the Marti Gras Indians denbot Jan 2018 #4
Major part of my culture. Remember Iko Iko? nolabear Jan 2018 #6
An excellent idea. denbot Jan 2018 #3
It's a wonderful idea -- but RandomAccess Jan 2018 #5
just watch trump try to mess with the native population... samnsara Jan 2018 #10
Well, he sure won on the Dakota Access Pipeline, didn't he? RandomAccess Jan 2018 #18
Great idea... floWteiuQ Jan 2018 #7
Fabulous idea. Given most of the dreamers are educated productive tax paying citizens..... usaf-vet Jan 2018 #8
not in the Dakotas samnsara Jan 2018 #9
Why not? Volaris Jan 2018 #12
The issues with having it happen in the Dakotas would probably be Ken Burch Jan 2018 #16
There are over BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #20
And a bunch of Somalis, Eritrean in Maine - climate not the best erronis Jan 2018 #22
Precisely. BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #24
Hmm... whathehell Jan 2018 #33
You're right. It should have read "the descendants of the the immigrants from 100-200 years ago" erronis Jan 2018 #36
Minnesota is also a far wealthier state than the Dakotas Ken Burch Jan 2018 #38
Agree but I think the point was BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #39
Immigrants to Canada from the Middle East number over 20,000/year. Are they immune to the climate? LanternWaste Jan 2018 #41
What a wonderful idea. More Christ-like than the USA. I'd be sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #11
Uplifting! Cracklin Charlie Jan 2018 #13
Brilliant Suggestion CommonSenseMom Jan 2018 #14
My Puerto Rican wife just pointed out MurrayDelph Jan 2018 #15
True. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #17
I LOVE that! The Conductor Jan 2018 #19
Welcome to DU! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #40
I love this idea. cate94 Jan 2018 #21
Two nations that sent grain to the IRISH were the SEMINOLE & CHOCTAW The_REAL_Ecumenist Jan 2018 #31
Thanks!! cate94 Jan 2018 #34
Agree it's worth trying. And if the dump-gov is going to object erronis Jan 2018 #23
YES! According to my Mom we have Cha Jan 2018 #25
The writer overestimates the "sovereignity" granted to the tribes. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #26
Wow! pandr32 Jan 2018 #27
There are 18 Native American reservations in San Diego County alone, Liberty Belle Jan 2018 #28
K&R... spanone Jan 2018 #29
K&R!!! burrowowl Jan 2018 #30
US Gov will storm in like every standoff Miigwech Jan 2018 #32
Sadly, there is often quite a bit of prejudice against African-Americans and Hispanics among some Nitram Jan 2018 #35
Actually if it comes to that it might be a great move jimlup Jan 2018 #37

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
1. I imagine some of the wealthier nations could afford to...
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:49 PM
Jan 2018

Not all, though. We're talking a million people or more, depending on if you accept families, too.

Nice thought.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
2. I REALLY want this to happen. Think it's feasible?
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:02 PM
Jan 2018

Read down the thread re GoFundMe support and tribal organization potential. The rest of us could make it possible. You can’t help but wonder how far ICE would go.

FYI this is how Mardi Gras Indians began, the descendants and in tribute to tribes that hid and shielded escaped slaves.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
5. It's a wonderful idea -- but
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:20 PM
Jan 2018

you're right. The US government would just use it as another reason NOT to honor your sovereignty.

usaf-vet

(6,186 posts)
8. Fabulous idea. Given most of the dreamers are educated productive tax paying citizens.....
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:35 PM
Jan 2018

this might actually help some of the poorer nations. Maybe a win win?

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
12. Why not?
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:19 PM
Jan 2018

I haven't lived there in a good while so I'm not up to speed ...
(On Edit)
Overall I think this is kinda a brilliant idea...think about what that kind of fusion could bring if it were executed properly...
Wishful thinking on my part I'm sure...but I would support it. I know how valuable the Dreamers are to this nation, and if my government decides they're not wanted, then why shouldn't someone else utilize those resources.
I want them here. KEEPING them is the only way to acrualky deserve them.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
16. The issues with having it happen in the Dakotas would probably be
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

1)Those places are poor to start with;
2)Adaptability of the DACA kids to the climate there.

I'm at least assuming those would be the key probs.

If there's other stuff or if I've got that wrong(both of which are possible, I hope those who live there will jump in to correct.

BumRushDaShow

(128,989 posts)
20. There are over
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jan 2018
129,000 Somalis in the U.S. and a good chunk of them were placed in Minnesota.

Somalia has a tropical/desert climate depending on where you are there. Minnesota is about as far from "tropical" and "desert" as the Dakotas.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
22. And a bunch of Somalis, Eritrean in Maine - climate not the best
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:27 PM
Jan 2018

But if survival is important these people are a lot more willing to try and work than a lot of the immigrants from 100-200 years ago.

BumRushDaShow

(128,989 posts)
24. Precisely.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:50 PM
Jan 2018

Although I do feel for them or anyone who moves to a radically different climate! It will take some time once the "uniqueness" wears off.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
33. Hmm...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:39 AM
Jan 2018

What's up with the negative comparison of "the immigrants from 100-200 years ago" to the Somalis and Eritreans?
Those earlier immigrants worked, and were as willing to work as hard as anyone, including today's Somalis and Eritrean.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
36. You're right. It should have read "the descendants of the the immigrants from 100-200 years ago"
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:51 AM
Jan 2018

Thanks!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
38. Minnesota is also a far wealthier state than the Dakotas
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:50 PM
Jan 2018

I take your point on the climate, but the wealth, the population size, and the much larger number of relatively progressive and open-minded people(at least in Minneapolis-St. Paul) are significant differences.

Nonetheless, if the Indignous nations of the Dakotas want to do this, I support their decision.

BumRushDaShow

(128,989 posts)
39. Agree but I think the point was
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jan 2018

that the reservations, in general, are (theoretically) off-limits by treaty, and could provide safe havens. But then I would wonder if other indigenous nations in other states (notably those with casinos and more $$$$) might consider doing something like this as well. But even with that, there are cultural hurdles to overcome no matter where folks are hosted.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. Immigrants to Canada from the Middle East number over 20,000/year. Are they immune to the climate?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

"Adaptability of the DACA kids to the climate there."

What the hell? Immigrants to Canada from the Middle East number over 20,000/year. Are they immune to the climate?

CommonSenseMom

(43 posts)
14. Brilliant Suggestion
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:59 PM
Jan 2018

Has a nice symmetry to it, too. The descendants of the first to be here hosting the newest. And getting donations to help support them until they get settled would be easy, I think.

MurrayDelph

(5,294 posts)
15. My Puerto Rican wife just pointed out
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:19 PM
Jan 2018

that if the DACA folks are Central- or South-American, they could quite probably be cousins (albeit distant) to the First Nations already.

The Conductor

(180 posts)
19. I LOVE that!
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:48 PM
Jan 2018

That would be so great - especially as the rest of us are all illegal aliens on your land.

Thank you for letting us stay, by the way.

cate94

(2,810 posts)
21. I love this idea.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:13 PM
Jan 2018

I would support it in anyway possible.
I can’t recall which tribes were involved in sending grain to the Irish during the famine, but this would be as loving a gesture.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(721 posts)
31. Two nations that sent grain to the IRISH were the SEMINOLE & CHOCTAW
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:25 AM
Jan 2018

I know there were other nations but I am certain of these two. I belong to the Osage Seminole AND the Choctaw, as well as the BLACKFOOT, CREEK & MIKOSUKEE...and my Maternal grandmother's grandfather was IRISH, from County Claire, so this is something I learned about from this from my relatives.
I'm of "MOSTLY" African American but I am Metis or Mixed & I this is the story of my family. My GGGrandfather came to America sometime in the early 1850's as a child with his parents to escape the "AN GORTA MOR" or The Great Famine. Of course, the Irish were NOT considered to be on equal standing as other Europeans & were viewed with the same jaundiced eye as people of color, which explains why so many AA have Irish blood, as they weren't accepted as marriage partners for most white people, hence mixed people like me.

I hope that The People offer the same sanctuary to the Dreamers that Mikosukee & Seminoles offered the enslaved Africans back in 17th, 18th & 19th centuries.

cate94

(2,810 posts)
34. Thanks!!
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:45 AM
Jan 2018

Thank you for the info and thanks to the People for their help in a crisis. I heard about their generosity in Ireland, where they remain grateful. I’m mostly Irish, my grandmothers on both sides, taught me about the struggles of their families coming here. They wanted us to remember, and never treat others that way. I guess Ryan and McConnell didn’t get the lesson....

erronis

(15,257 posts)
23. Agree it's worth trying. And if the dump-gov is going to object
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:29 PM
Jan 2018

Using his german ancestral immigration as a reason to deport him (and all relatives!!!!).

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
28. There are 18 Native American reservations in San Diego County alone,
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:08 AM
Jan 2018

and many more in California, which is already a sanctuary state with warm weather in most places. Quite a few have casinos and some economic prosperity. I'm aware of at least one local tribe that has sheltered undocumented border crossers in the past. Here, the Kumeyaay Nation spans the border so those in Mexico are related to those here.

I don't see how tribes could take in all the dreamers, but even protecting some of them would be a big help. Maybe sympathetic states, groups and individuals could pitch in for Dreamer protection -- start a GoFundMe page if tribes agreed to do this.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
32. US Gov will storm in like every standoff
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:42 AM
Jan 2018

no honor, no treaty ... I am Ojibwe, as well ... they are still taking our land, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan... Gov. Snyder sold off 10,000 acres, of our land, to a Canadian company, to strip mine lime, near Newberry. This land was to be held in a trust with the state of Michigan.
Repubs had a deal done, even before public hearings, which were nothing more then a scam. Water protectors are treated like terrorists.

Nitram

(22,801 posts)
35. Sadly, there is often quite a bit of prejudice against African-Americans and Hispanics among some
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jan 2018

Native American communities. I doubt this suggestion would fly. I love the idea, though.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
37. Actually if it comes to that it might be a great move
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jan 2018

but for the large number of people involved it can only be a political statement rather than a solution.

Still I'm down with it enough that I would help both $ and maybe be able to volunteer time.

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