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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs an Ojibwe, I'm down with this suggestion:
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On the other hand, when has the U.S. government ever really honored a treaty?
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)Not all, though. We're talking a million people or more, depending on if you accept families, too.
Nice thought.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)Read down the thread re GoFundMe support and tribal organization potential. The rest of us could make it possible. You cant help but wonder how far ICE would go.
FYI this is how Mardi Gras Indians began, the descendants and in tribute to tribes that hid and shielded escaped slaves.
denbot
(9,899 posts)Starting to read up now. Thanks nolabear.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)Its about Mardi Gras Indians.
denbot
(9,899 posts)i Hope it gains traction.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)you're right. The US government would just use it as another reason NOT to honor your sovereignty.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)....trump wont win.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)floWteiuQ
(82 posts)Let's make it happen!
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)this might actually help some of the poorer nations. Maybe a win win?
samnsara
(17,622 posts)Volaris
(10,271 posts)I haven't lived there in a good while so I'm not up to speed ...
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Overall I think this is kinda a brilliant idea...think about what that kind of fusion could bring if it were executed properly...
Wishful thinking on my part I'm sure...but I would support it. I know how valuable the Dreamers are to this nation, and if my government decides they're not wanted, then why shouldn't someone else utilize those resources.
I want them here. KEEPING them is the only way to acrualky deserve them.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)1)Those places are poor to start with;
2)Adaptability of the DACA kids to the climate there.
I'm at least assuming those would be the key probs.
If there's other stuff or if I've got that wrong(both of which are possible, I hope those who live there will jump in to correct.
BumRushDaShow
(128,989 posts)Somalia has a tropical/desert climate depending on where you are there. Minnesota is about as far from "tropical" and "desert" as the Dakotas.
erronis
(15,257 posts)But if survival is important these people are a lot more willing to try and work than a lot of the immigrants from 100-200 years ago.
BumRushDaShow
(128,989 posts)Although I do feel for them or anyone who moves to a radically different climate! It will take some time once the "uniqueness" wears off.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)What's up with the negative comparison of "the immigrants from 100-200 years ago" to the Somalis and Eritreans?
Those earlier immigrants worked, and were as willing to work as hard as anyone, including today's Somalis and Eritrean.
erronis
(15,257 posts)Thanks!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I take your point on the climate, but the wealth, the population size, and the much larger number of relatively progressive and open-minded people(at least in Minneapolis-St. Paul) are significant differences.
Nonetheless, if the Indignous nations of the Dakotas want to do this, I support their decision.
BumRushDaShow
(128,989 posts)that the reservations, in general, are (theoretically) off-limits by treaty, and could provide safe havens. But then I would wonder if other indigenous nations in other states (notably those with casinos and more $$$$) might consider doing something like this as well. But even with that, there are cultural hurdles to overcome no matter where folks are hosted.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Adaptability of the DACA kids to the climate there."
What the hell? Immigrants to Canada from the Middle East number over 20,000/year. Are they immune to the climate?
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)honored to help support this plan.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I like it!
CommonSenseMom
(43 posts)Has a nice symmetry to it, too. The descendants of the first to be here hosting the newest. And getting donations to help support them until they get settled would be easy, I think.
MurrayDelph
(5,294 posts)that if the DACA folks are Central- or South-American, they could quite probably be cousins (albeit distant) to the First Nations already.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
The Conductor
(180 posts)That would be so great - especially as the rest of us are all illegal aliens on your land.
Thank you for letting us stay, by the way.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)cate94
(2,810 posts)I would support it in anyway possible.
I cant recall which tribes were involved in sending grain to the Irish during the famine, but this would be as loving a gesture.
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(721 posts)I know there were other nations but I am certain of these two. I belong to the Osage Seminole AND the Choctaw, as well as the BLACKFOOT, CREEK & MIKOSUKEE...and my Maternal grandmother's grandfather was IRISH, from County Claire, so this is something I learned about from this from my relatives.
I'm of "MOSTLY" African American but I am Metis or Mixed & I this is the story of my family. My GGGrandfather came to America sometime in the early 1850's as a child with his parents to escape the "AN GORTA MOR" or The Great Famine. Of course, the Irish were NOT considered to be on equal standing as other Europeans & were viewed with the same jaundiced eye as people of color, which explains why so many AA have Irish blood, as they weren't accepted as marriage partners for most white people, hence mixed people like me.
I hope that The People offer the same sanctuary to the Dreamers that Mikosukee & Seminoles offered the enslaved Africans back in 17th, 18th & 19th centuries.
cate94
(2,810 posts)Thank you for the info and thanks to the People for their help in a crisis. I heard about their generosity in Ireland, where they remain grateful. Im mostly Irish, my grandmothers on both sides, taught me about the struggles of their families coming here. They wanted us to remember, and never treat others that way. I guess Ryan and McConnell didnt get the lesson....
erronis
(15,257 posts)Using his german ancestral immigration as a reason to deport him (and all relatives!!!!).
Cha
(297,240 posts)a wee bit of Ojibwe in us, too
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)pandr32
(11,584 posts)What an incredible idea
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)and many more in California, which is already a sanctuary state with warm weather in most places. Quite a few have casinos and some economic prosperity. I'm aware of at least one local tribe that has sheltered undocumented border crossers in the past. Here, the Kumeyaay Nation spans the border so those in Mexico are related to those here.
I don't see how tribes could take in all the dreamers, but even protecting some of them would be a big help. Maybe sympathetic states, groups and individuals could pitch in for Dreamer protection -- start a GoFundMe page if tribes agreed to do this.
spanone
(135,832 posts)burrowowl
(17,641 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)no honor, no treaty ... I am Ojibwe, as well ... they are still taking our land, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan... Gov. Snyder sold off 10,000 acres, of our land, to a Canadian company, to strip mine lime, near Newberry. This land was to be held in a trust with the state of Michigan.
Repubs had a deal done, even before public hearings, which were nothing more then a scam. Water protectors are treated like terrorists.
Nitram
(22,801 posts)Native American communities. I doubt this suggestion would fly. I love the idea, though.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)but for the large number of people involved it can only be a political statement rather than a solution.
Still I'm down with it enough that I would help both $ and maybe be able to volunteer time.