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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIMO we're beyond penalties for MSU athletics
People are talking about whether or not MSU's athletics program should get the death penalty from the NCAA. I think we're beyond that.
The NCAA and MSU higher-ups knew Nassar was a creep and knew it for years.
Just a thought: When a liquor store repeatedly serves minors with the owner's knowledge, he loses his business license. MSU and NCAA let Nassar stick... Himself, in multiple children over the course of decades.
The questions we should really ask are:
1. Should MSU have accreditation as a university?
2. Should the NCAA have a business license?
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)But it wont be the death penalty. Penn state didnt get it...and even the NCAA admits that the only death penalty punishment theyve ever dropped on SMU was too harsh. Theyll get a worthy punishment though, Im sure!
NCDem777
(458 posts)They knew what was going on too. For 7-8 years at least.
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)Personally I think anyone who covered for this sick fuck should be brought down, but I felt the same about PSU and Sandusky. I hope the NCAA takes leadership on this matter, but that remains to be seen.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)But this is worse than Penn State. It was like a culture that participated allowed and covered up
For years.
The head coaches for football and basketball should be fired. The sports worship in East Lansing cause this, the sports programs need to be punished
Too bad their B-ball team is having a great season
Was the same culture of cover up that you described, and it goes on to this day!
Orrex
(63,212 posts)I'm a PSU grad, and I lived in State College for most of the 90s. For a time I actually lived about two blocks from His Exalted and Most Excellent Highness Joe Paterno, in fact.
In discussions on this subject, I find that fellow grads of my acquaintance fall into two camps:
1. Paterno was a great man, and this happened without his knowledge
2. No shit Paterno knew about it, and you're a fool if you imagine otherwise
It was more or less widely suspected in town for over a decade, and Sandusky was known to be a skeevy creep since long before the story broke.
It is simply not reasonable to believe that Paterno was in the dark about the predator on his payroll. Equally, it is not reasonable to believe that higher-ups at MSU were unaware of Nassar's career of abuse.
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)I dont think the powers that be were in the dark in either case.
Thanks for sharing your personal story Orrex, Ive met to many from the PSU world who are full on apologists for JoePa and the entire institution. It was wrong then and its wrong now with MSU.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)I was pleased when the NCAA vacated all of Paterno's victories, and I didn't (and still don't) care about how "unfair" it was to the players during those years.
As a compromise, rather than caving and reinstating Paterno's record, IMO they should have restored the victories to the team but specifically and explicitly excluded Paterno.
When his bronze statue was taken down, the alumni absolutely lost their collective shit about it. I had bitter arguments on FB with friends who couldn't bear to see their god dishonored so starkly, and there were the usual cries of "political correctness run amok."
They should have melted it down and re-cast it as a plaque memorializing Paterno's utter (deliberate, perhaps?) failure to stop a predatory child rapist.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)WHY did people enable and cover for this pervert? Seriously - WHY????
LisaM
(27,811 posts)That makes no sense to me. It's as if he hypnotized everyone.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)it's not like sports doctors are hard to find - WHY did they cover for this fucked up, slimy piece of shit? Fuck the university's reputation - they really need to dig to find out what is REALLY going on there.
NCDem777
(458 posts)The "protecting" part seems to be causing the most damage. Had they handed this asshole over from the beginning, people would have applauded them for actually dealing with the problem.
It comes down to a piece of wisdom from comedian Christopher Titus: Step up or step aside. Had they dealt with the problem or stepped aside and let the police do their jobs from the start, this wouldn't have spiraled out of control into the clusterfuck it is now.
I mean really. Which sounds better from a PR standpoint?
"We protected the kid fucker because we're afraid of reputation damage." or "This dude was fucking kids. We've handed him over to the cops."
GusBob
(7,286 posts)It was a whole culture in the athletic program. Players, coaches, administrators, campus police
Skittles
(153,160 posts)what I want to know is - *WHY*?
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)Players - because they didn't want to blow their shot at the big leagues
Security - because administrators told them to look the other way and they didn't want to be fired.
Basically, money.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)writerJT
(190 posts)for the sake of protecting the money-making programs or the athletic department in general, and once they start down that road, theres no going back.
writerJT
(190 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)writerJT
(190 posts)Nobody is saying people acted rationally when they found out.
Post 23 explains it. Read up on PSU.
blogslut
(38,000 posts)However, the sport of female gymnastics is rife with troublesome culture from eating disorders and preference for pre-pubescent bodies to its weird insistence that young girls must live away from their parents in order to be "champions"
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)college predators issue open the real predators are male basketball and football players who are accused at campuses all over the country. And the cases continue to be handled by administrative boards. The money in athletics is so huge colleges and universities dont want instant referrals to police for what they deem are alcohol fueled he said/she said incidents. This old school behavior board is last century criminal behavior now needs to be adjudicated off campus.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)NCDem777
(458 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not that he knew about Nassar.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)no self-serving organization like the NCAA or university administrations will ever put the athletes first.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Interesting take but probably a bit too far. And likely unpopular given the current climate.
You also think they should have their accreditation pulled. So youre willing to punish students, academics, that had zero to do with athletics, who may have never sat foot inside an athletic venue, because of your rage over that low life? The entire student body should be punished? What a bizarre take on an already horrific situation.
NCDem777
(458 posts)people lose jobs. There's always collateral damage. Does not mean that the shutdown is wrong.
MSU covered for this creep as did the NCAA.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)The NCAA cut them off at the knees and they still arent where the were.
If appropriate sanctions are in place, it can work.
However, I dont think they have the political will to do to them what was done to SMU.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)The Nassar situation is separate from the rest, the rest has actually already been thoroughly investigated and despite ESPN's story, nothing was found to have been done improperly by the coaching staffs.
Nassar was a different story, people covered for him, no idea why. He was investigated though too, how that didn't stop him I don't know, but he was cleared in those investigations.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Wait until the jocks (Football/Wrestling) get exposed for their sexual misconduct.