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pnwmom

(108,991 posts)
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:15 PM Jan 2018

"I'm a doctor. I want you to live and thrive. So I want semi-automatic guns banned."

And I do, too . . . so more 15 year olds can't get hold of handguns that can easily wound 16 of their classmates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/10/04/im-a-doctor-i-want-you-to-live-and-thrive-so-i-want-semiautomatic-guns-banned/?utm_term=.a069cb1e52c8

The reality is this: A semiautomatic firearm — whether a long gun or a handgun — is a weapon of profound destructive capacity. Though semiautomatic (as opposed to automatic) guns require that the trigger be pulled once to discharge each bullet, they still allow a shooter with a quick finger to unleash an avalanche of bullets at a horrifying pace. When unloaded into a densely packed space, the resultant hail of bullets is just as capable of inflicting massive damage. Once fired, each of these projectiles then cuts a path through body, stretching adjacent tissues and so creating a path of destruction — the “wound cavity” — that can widen even more as the bullet tumbles and sometimes fragments, creating new smaller missiles each with their own trajectory; more bullets thus mean more punctured lungs, more shattered bones, more lacerated arteries, more severed spines.

In short, semiautomatic weapons are capable of inflicting egregious harm on a large number of people in a very short period, even when wielded by deranged users with no remarkable shooting skills. For instance, Adam Lanza, the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook massacre, used a semiautomatic rifle to fire 154 rounds and kill 26 individuals in under five minutes, as MSNBC reported; Seung-Hui Cho, responsible for the Virginia Tech massacre, fired 170 rounds with a pair of semiautomatic pistols in only nine minutes, leaving 30 dead, according to The Washington Post. To the extent that anything should be done about the types of guns available in America, we should end the sale (as others have previously argued and as the American College of Physicians suggested in a statement Monday) of all semiautomatic firearms, whether handgun or long gun.


The liberal obsession with “assault weapons” is thus a colossal mistake. The assault weapons ban identified such firearms by a host of largely cosmetic characteristics that were mostly irrelevant to their lethal potential and had no discernible effect on overall gun deaths. Collapsible stocks, pistol grips, bayonet mounts — who cares? Perhaps there is some utility to some of these features in combat settings, but when it comes to a mass shooter in a civilian environment, what matters more than anything is the sheer quantity of terrifying projectiles flying through crowded spaces at thousands of feet per second. To a lesser extent, things like the kinetic energy of a bullet also matter, but this can actually be higher in traditional hunting rifles than so-called assault weapons.

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"I'm a doctor. I want you to live and thrive. So I want semi-automatic guns banned." (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2018 OP
They will never be banned in this nation. maxsolomon Jan 2018 #1
Exactly and I agree PJMcK Jan 2018 #29
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #2
Uhhh... chumpchange Jan 2018 #5
No, he's unlikely to be an R. The NRA is a huge supporter of the R's. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #6
My Browning Auto Five is a semi- automatic Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #3
Fine. Then limit semi-automatics to guns that can only hold 5 or 6 bullets. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #4
I was actually pretty happy with the ten round magazine Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #10
Appeal to authority/emotion all in one. linuxman Jan 2018 #7
Alcohol in moderation usually doesn't hurt other people. Bullets shot into other people always do. pnwmom Jan 2018 #8
Alcohol and guns used responsibly don't hurt neither, you mean. linuxman Jan 2018 #9
So a firearm has never been used responsibly to hurt anyone? Ever? LanternWaste Jan 2018 #14
You really don't care about the deaths, do you? linuxman Jan 2018 #17
The flip side of that coin is that people want to live and thrive and aikoaiko Jan 2018 #11
Also because they are fun to shoot. maxsolomon Jan 2018 #12
Well, I said that's why they want them -- not what was more likely to happen aikoaiko Jan 2018 #20
Limiting magazine capacity make the most sense GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #13
"I would happily trade my larger ones in " oneshooter Jan 2018 #15
The magazines come with the firearm. GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #16
You just sounded a little hypocritical. oneshooter Jan 2018 #18
I understand GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #19
In other words, you would not willingly oneshooter Jan 2018 #21
If we could enact a policy that would make Americans safer GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #22
Destroying the high cap magazines most certainly will contribute to a safer environment as... Marengo Jan 2018 #24
I have no concerns about others taking me seriously GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #27
You dont regard high cap magazines as a threat to public safety? Marengo Jan 2018 #28
Doesnt it seem that there would be a Lars39 Jan 2018 #23
I blame Raygun burnbaby Jan 2018 #25
I agree, but too many gunners love their lethal weapons and the power it gives them. Hoyt Jan 2018 #26

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
1. They will never be banned in this nation.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jan 2018

Semi-Autos are a dime a dozen. There are millions in circulation.

Better to focus on regulating gun owners - the Unorganized Militia. Ownership contingent on fulfilling real responsibilities might weed out the nuts - to the extent that's possible.

PJMcK

(22,048 posts)
29. Exactly and I agree
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jan 2018

The U.S. will always have too many guns and there aren't any ways to control that. This is why I'm agnostic about guns: I don't want any but they aren't going away.

One idea I like is not to regulate guns, just the ammunition. I'm not sure how that would work, though.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

 

chumpchange

(48 posts)
5. Uhhh...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:50 PM
Jan 2018

You really want to go to a public forum with a handy archive and start talking about preparations to kill your fellow Americans?

Bueller?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
3. My Browning Auto Five is a semi- automatic
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:47 PM
Jan 2018

It only holds five shells and is a shotgun.

It's articles like this, written by well - intentioned but poorly informed people that gets the NRA crowd riled up.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
10. I was actually pretty happy with the ten round magazine
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:06 PM
Jan 2018

Limit under the ol'd assault rifle ban. What the author misses is that it's the high capacity magazines that are instruments of war. 30, 50, even 100 rounds. This is where we should focus because it's hard to argue in favor of them.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
7. Appeal to authority/emotion all in one.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:53 PM
Jan 2018

Alcohol first. Unless it isn't really about deaths at all..

pnwmom

(108,991 posts)
8. Alcohol in moderation usually doesn't hurt other people. Bullets shot into other people always do.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 10:10 PM
Jan 2018

And a doctor is an expert on the damage they can do.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
9. Alcohol and guns used responsibly don't hurt neither, you mean.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 10:44 PM
Jan 2018

Just checked with my (MD) wife. She said guns are cool. Oh well, call it a wash...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. So a firearm has never been used responsibly to hurt anyone? Ever?
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jan 2018

So a firearm has never been used responsibly to hurt anyone? Ever?

Think about it... then re-qualify (or move the goalposts).

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
11. The flip side of that coin is that people want to live and thrive and
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:23 PM
Jan 2018

and be able to defend themselves against people bigger and stronger than them who would do them harm. And that's why they want semi-automatic handguns and rifles.





maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
12. Also because they are fun to shoot.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jan 2018

On the whole, people don't defend themselves against people that are bigger and stronger who would do them harm. That's a sales pitch.

They're far more likely to use semi-automatic weapons to assault people who are smaller and weaker, like their wives and children. Or someone exactly the same size and strength: themselves.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
20. Well, I said that's why they want them -- not what was more likely to happen
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:42 PM
Jan 2018


But speaking of more likely to happen -- the good doctor of the OP chances of being killed from gun violence, let alone injured from gun violence is very small.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
13. Limiting magazine capacity make the most sense
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jan 2018

Limit them to 10.

And make people get rid of larger ones by a given date.

I would happily trade my larger ones in

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
15. "I would happily trade my larger ones in "
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jan 2018

But you will not until forced to by law.


Something does not sound right.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. The magazines come with the firearm.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:39 PM
Jan 2018

I guess I could special order California complient magazine because I do not think any stores in Florida even carries them.

Have not really thought about it.

However, I also think people in my tax bracket should pay a higher tax rate so all Americans can have better things. If I were to overpay my taxes by 20% I would have less money. But Americans would not have better things.

Same with my 2 magazines. I could order 2 California complient one’s and throw out my existing ones. But Florida would be no safer. And notice I said 2 magazines. Because I own one handgun and it is currently locked in my safe.

Just because I support a policy does not obligate me to try to shape my life to that policy when it is not yet law.

Your insinuation that I was not being forthright in my post was really uncalled for.

Have a nice evening.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
18. You just sounded a little hypocritical.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:10 PM
Jan 2018

But I just comment on what I read, not necessarily what you mean.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
19. I understand
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:13 PM
Jan 2018

In written language the onus is on the writer to properly convey meaning. I was obviously lazy in my writing.

There are millions of gun owners who would welcome much tighter gun regulations. I am one of them.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
21. In other words, you would not willingly
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:45 AM
Jan 2018

volunteer to give up your over 10rd mags. But must be forced to do so, even if you are in complete agreement with the policy.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
22. If we could enact a policy that would make Americans safer
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:42 AM
Jan 2018

I would willingly volunteer to give up my Hugh capacity magazines. Me doing so at this time would do nothing to make the nation or my state safer. It would would be an empty expression of self righteousness.

It is apparent that you are not happy I own these magazines. And I would guess you are also not happy I can even own the gun. I really could not care less.

I am in full agreement with the Democratic Party position. Which affirms American’s right to own firearms with reasonable restrictions.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
24. Destroying the high cap magazines most certainly will contribute to a safer environment as...
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 08:16 AM
Jan 2018

Doing so eliminates the possibility of recirculation. You won’t have control of them forever, and eventually they will re-enter society by one means or another. I’m surprised you haven’t considered this. If you truly believe high cap magazines are a threat, replace with low caps and destroy them. Otherwise, how xan you expect anyone to regard your position seriously?

Lars39

(26,116 posts)
23. Doesnt it seem that there would be a
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:46 AM
Jan 2018

“compelling interest” by the government to keep its citizens alive? I keep thinking of that phrase of Roe v Wade and wondering wtf it doesn’t doesn’t apply when guns are involved.

 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
25. I blame Raygun
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 08:26 AM
Jan 2018

We always had guns and access to guns. This is just the reaction to Raygun's closing of mental health institutions. We have people young and old with issues who are not getting the help they need and it seems their only resolve is to act out and take away lives of others.

Just my opinion

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. I agree, but too many gunners love their lethal weapons and the power it gives them.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 08:36 AM
Jan 2018
They are perfectly willing to allow this crud, so that they keep their precious lethal weapons and power to intimidate. It's the price the majority of us are forced to pay so that a minority can strap a gun or two on to walk out the door.






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