So, Democrats who control zero reigns of power

[maxrandb]

Mostly because dumbass "progressives" thought it would be a great idea to vote for a Russian green candidate, or thought they'd be bringing "the revolution" by helping elect a fucking racist moron to the White House, are now to "blame", because they got 6 years of CHIP funding and an agreement on a DACA vote??

Using that logic... we have a keebler Nazi as attorney general- Dems fault.

We have an EPA head who belches black smoke when he comes in a room - Dems fault

We have a wingnut supreme Court Justice stolen in a blatant fascist break of all decency and norms- Dems fault

We have ICE agents boarding Greyhound buses and demanding "papers" - Dems fault

Etc, etc, etc...

So please, if you blame Democrats, take the advice of the orange shitgibbon in the White House and "GO FUCK YOURSELVES"!!!

If you want Dems to put a stop to this shitshow, get the fuck out and vote for Dems for everything from Senator to Dogcatcher.

[maxsolomon]

1. You sound upset.

There's virtually no one on DU that fails to vote.

It's the apathetic non-voters you need to reach. How do you make them care when "both sides are the same"?

[maxrandb]

2. Anyone who can watch this shitshow

And claim "both sides are the same", is either a Retrumplican troll, or a Russian plant

[maxsolomon]

4. Or a deluded propaganda victim

I am related to a few. My 81-year old Father being the prime example.

[Cary]

8. True!

VOTE DEMOCRATIC!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. The post you're responding to falls into the category of preaching to the choir.

You and I and, I suspect also the original poster, all know that DU's Democrats vote all the time.

I hear his frustration and I second it.

It was definitely worth saying. Maybe someone here will be able to use it on an outside voter, one who doesn't live, eat, drink and sleep politics the way we do.

[maxsolomon]

6. I don't actually know any non-voters

or apolitical people.

but 50% of elilgible voters appear to be apathetic flibberdigibbets.

[BamaRefugee]

17. but AMAZINGLY, something like 90% of people in rural counties got off their couches and voted for

Trump in Wisconsin, Michigan, etc, I'm not falling for that. Rigged.

[AZ8theist]

20. Exactly

The pathologically lying imbecile spoke ONE, and ONLY ONE TRUTH during the campaign.

He said the election was "rigged".

And it was....just didn't mention it was rigged in his favor.

[MaryMagdaline]

5. By pointing out, as Maxrandb did, that the parties are not the same,

over and over. And over. Because that's what the Republicans do. The so-called dumb party. They might not understand science, but they sure as hell know how to rally the troops by repeating the same themes over and over.

[Cary]

7. There is more to it than that

It's clear to me that but for the radical left we would not have #fakepresident. Just look at the numbers.

You don't know who voted at DU and who didn't.

[maxsolomon]

9. 50% of the public doesn't vote. 80K Trump votes spread across

4 Rust Belt states won his dumb ass the Presidency. So you're probably right about the Sarandons of the Midwest.

My impression is that someone engaged enough to post or lurk at DU will vote. I might be wrong, but generally, I believe that is the case.

[maxrandb]

10. Everyone on DU except

Russian Trolls telling us how horrible the Dems are and that both sides are the same

[getagrip_already]

15. not his point..

he didn't say people here didn't vote, just that a LOT of people threw their votes away by writing in a name or voting for stein.

About that, he is right.

Too many people thought the election was a lock and they could post a protest vote. Didn't work out so well.

[sprinkleeninow]

21. This. That some thot the election was a 'lock' then threw away their vote

in a protest.
It makes me ill having to consider this.
💙?💪🗽

[brush]

27. I like your writing style. Keep posting truths.

[louis c]

11. This country is nearly evenly divided.

Too many "Progressives" don't know what a binary choice is.

When the General Election is between Hillary and Trump, real Progressives should know how to vote. Third party votes, write ins, blanks and stay at homes fuck the very people they pretend to support.

When Ted Cruz, whose Father was accused by Trump of being connected to the JFK assassination, who insulted Ted's wife, who was nicknamed "lying Ted", is out on the stump for Trump, it is obvious that the other side knows what a binary choice is.

[BobTheSubgenius]

12. Hear, hear!!

[TygrBright]

13. "Reins" please.

"Reins" of power.

Reins are control devices.

A "reign" is a reference to a specific period of time spent exercising authority.

It's a subtle difference, but it matters.

Clarity is important in an era of propaganda, division-sowing, encouragement of ignorance, etc.

helpfully,
Bright

[Hekate]

29. What you said, Bright

Lately I've been blaming auto-correct, but it still makes me cringe.

You probably had to turn off your auto-correct the way I did. I had to proofread every word and fight with a damn machine for the correct spelling. I still have to closely proof because the small keyboard means I keep hitting m insread of the space bar.

[diva77]

14. "Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives."

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/


The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How…
by Greg Palast

Friday, November 11, 2016

Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.
SNIP

[Chakaconcarne]

16. Thank you....

I am sick of hearing all of this regurgitated BS about democratic voters that came out of the Russian Troll army.

It's utter and complete total bullshit.

Hillary had a consistent double digit leads over Donald all the way up to election day.

No one is to blame but Russia and the GOP's election fixing scheme..

The entire country was stunned by the win... There is a reason for that.

Fucking move on and quit attempting to divide the democratic party.

No better than the bots.....

...and I am talking to you OP!

[RandomAccess]

19. And here's more

Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691

PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.

[Beartracks]

26. Wonder if the Comey announcement was just...

... the conveniently-timed event on which Hilary's pre-planned loss could be blamed...

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[RandomAccess]

30. Interesting thought but

That would more or less require either Comey or some other folks at the FBI were in on the whole rest of it incl Russia -- and except for Rudy Giuliani and the NY FBI peeps, I don't believe that's true.

[Beartracks]

33. Well, it *was* just an idle thought.

I wasn't really thinking that's how it went down. And, yeah, doesn't withstand serious scrutiny, anyway.

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[ananda]

18. All I know is that the CHIP renewal is a good thing.

And the delay of DACA is a bad thing.

In other words, 50-50 for the Dems.

[Honeycombe8]

25. CHIP was already going to be renewed. What the Dems got was an EARLY renewal.

Not the renewal itself.

[Honeycombe8]

22. You are uninformed. CHIP was always going to be in the budget.

You need to read up on this.

The only question was whether to include CHIP short term funding or long term funding. It was going to be funded later, for the long term. So the Dems got it included early, but it was ALWAYS going to be funded.

The Dems lost the honest ground for not being responsible for the shutdown and failure in the govt. Then they decided to take that on, becoming the bearer of the fault, by agreeing to vote for the budget, in return for a wish and a song, to discuss something in 3 weeks. Which is nothing, really. My thought is that the reason for this is it gives the Dems a tv platform to make speeches, since this is an election year. We're already seeing the ones who are going to run again appear in the media to talk about it. (Election talk and the mid-terms are certainly important, but timing is everything, as is keeping the upper hand, which the Dems had before this deal.)

The Dem leadership doesn't seem to know when it's in control of the message...and winning. There's this need to want to get on tv and talk, and to be considered the nice ones, I think.

I'm all for compromise, but that's not what this was. McConnell was smiling from ear to ear. He knew his trap had worked. The Repubs are no longer considered the ones to blame for the shutdown.

[hueymahl]

23. Great post

The problem with our leadership getting on TV and talking, is that they are terrible at it. We need new leadership.

[Honeycombe8]

24. They don't seem to be great at "talking points" and hammering points home repeatedly.

Schiff is good. But others are not. They appear sporadically, and they all use different terminology and sometimes make different points. Not a cohesive message being hammered.

[Irish_Dem]

28. Are progressives no longer welcome in the Dem Party?

The ones who are not dumbasses and knew better than to vote for Jill whats-her-name.

[maxrandb]

31. Those that voted third party, or stayed home

Are "dumbass progressives". True progressives and liberals have always been welcome.

Hopefully, the dumbasses realize that all they did was provide aid and comfort to a fascist regime and won't make that mistake again.

I wonder if the opposition parties to Hitler "regret" conducting a circular firing squad?

[Irish_Dem]

34. I vote Dem. And I am more liberal than most here I think.

I have not changed my views, but the party has.
The whole country has become more conservative.
The intense GOP propaganda has worked and people are
more complacent.

I understand the need to shape a pragmatic platform.
But it it doesn't feel right sometimes.

When I raise progressive issues or question how conservative
the Dems have become, I get blasted here. When I was young,
we changed the world. Stopped the VN war, advanced civil rights,
women's rights, ecology, it was a heady time. Young people risking
their lives to make the world a better place.

But I am heartened to see the hard work being done by people
on this site, and the women's marches, etc.

I don't know why people voted for Stein and who her base was.
I didn't follow her campaign.
But third party voting is a waste of a vote.

[GulfCoast66]

32. Anyone who voted for the Democratic Party is welcome

And that includes non progressive pragmatic moderates which seems to drive our progressive friends crazy.

[Irish_Dem]

35. I have been a dyed in the wool Dem since JFK's election.

I believe in being pragmatic, and understand the political process.
But I am more liberal than most here.

I know from experience, that when people band together for a just
cause they can change the world for the better. That feeling has never
left me.