"Fat Shaming," directed toward a man who championed "Fat Shaming"

[Miles Archer]

"Fat Shaming" has never been welcome on DU, and understandably so.

Then there's Donald Trump, who championed the concept of attempting to publicly humiliate people, especially women, over what he deemed to be their "less than ideal weight."

Now, there's this:

Trump's Weight Spawns Another 'Girther' Movement on Twitter

http://www.newsweek.com/president-trump-weight-spawns-girther-movement-783207

First, I don't believe there's any way this man weighs "239 pounds." I think that falls into the same category of every other way that Trump describes himself, from his net worth to his being "the least racist person" the media will ever interview...a lie.

But he's also a man who has lashed out at anyone within his reach over their physical appearance, whether it was "fat shaming" or licking his lascivious lips over women who "passed his test," including his own daughter.

Trump's ugliness doesn't come from his weight, or his physical appearance in general, although he's no pretty picture. It comes from the vile contents inside of the vessel that carries him through this world.

And, because he obsessively follows the media on his multiple TV screens when he should actually be doing the job he was elected to do, he'll see the "Girther" stories, and it will just make him lash out at something or someone else.

The "Girther" thing, I guess, is either payback or yet another "we can't sink to his level" event. I hope it's short-lived, and that our focus remains on things like Democrats controlling the House and Senate in November, and the 25th Amendment, and Articles of Impeachment.

[Blue_Adept]

1. ""Fat Shaming" has never been welcome on DU, and understandably so."

Except of course for the copious amounts of it. If it's a Republican, there's been plenty of fat shaming on this site.

[Miles Archer]

5. I understand that

We need to look no further than Republicans like Chris Christie.

And, in most of the posts that discussed his weight, there were admonishments over fat shaming, whether it was intended or not.

I just see irony in someone who never hesitated to ridicule what he perceived as the slightest "imperfections" of others now on the receiving end of this. I wonder if he would have been given a pass on his physical appearance if he'd not gone down that road. Obviously, his weight would have been a subject of ridicule for some. I faced it myself in high school, until I went on Weight Watchers and dropped 50 pounds.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Wouldn't This Be A Case of "What Goes Around. . .

. . .comes around"?

Besides, i think this is more about lying than being fat. He clearly weighs more than 239 pounds. I'm 5'9" 160, and i still wear 32 waist pants. There is no way that a bigger boned, much taller man weighs under 80 pounds more than me, particularly given the physique we've all seen with our own eyes.

There are 6'3" NBA players who weigh 210 pounds and they're carved out of granite. Low single digit % body fat. With that build, cannot believe it's only 30 or 40 pounds more than an NBA physical specimen

[lagomorph777]

17. It's liar shaming, and I'm signing up to join the Girther Movement.

[malaise]

18. +1,000

and I'm not sure his tape measure can come around

[stonecutter357]

2. He is claiming to be the same size as tim tebow 6.2 and 239 pounds ? lol

[Brother Buzz]

25. Well to their credit, they both weigh more than their batting average

https://res.cloudinary.com/cmgverticals/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1511632793/tim-tebow-sign-2_mepuux.png

[rso]

3. Fat shaming

When it comes to trump, almost anything is fair game. The “girther” movement is now a thing. And mocking trump does not prevent us from doing the real important things like winning elections. Case in point is the remarkable democratic victory for the State Senate that occurred in a very red district in Wisconsin yesterday.

[spooky3]

4. There is another angle on the Trump physical, however.

It is the dishonesty of reporting height and weight results that appear false, claiming he’s in excellent health, failing to do a comprehensive assessment of psychological health, etc.

[Miles Archer]

7. Agreed, that's why I mentioned it in the OP.

When I was in Colorado, I applied for disability. I was turned town. But I was probably given the same 10-minute "Cognitive Reasoning" test that was given to Trump..."Who's the President, what city are you in, etc," and that was the rationale for declaring him "mentally fit," although his words and actions prove otherwise.

[spooky3]

16. My point (not made clearly) was that he would get far

Less criticism here if he had been honest about all these things. That’s why I see it more as Lie Shaming than Fat Shaming.

[Siwsan]

6. I think of this situation as more of 'fat/weight challenging' than shaming

When someone doesn't adhere to the same "standards" they apply to everyone else, then they deserve to be challenged, and challenged with intensity. IMHO, it's no different that his claims to not be a racist. His lies need to be challenged, no matter the reason for him spewing them.

[Miles Archer]

8. Agree with you...

...the whole "medical exam" should be challenged. My reaction to the "Girther" meme, especially the way it's being manifested on Twitter, is that it's fat shaming. And if that becomes an overtone of challenging the lies about his physical and mental health, that's just life. You reap what you sow, and Trump has spent his entire live planting poisonous seeds.

[Siwsan]

11. I readily admit that the 'girther' business made me laugh.

Just like President Obama's clever and devastating take down of trump*'s braggadocious and absurd fanaticism, during the 2011 Correspondent's Dinner, made me laugh. Some people need a very public taste of their own medicine, and trump* most definitely opened the door. He is someone who seems to believe he can do and say what ever he wants, with no negative repercussions. I would be eagerly awaiting the day his belief system fully comes crashing down on him, if I wasn't terrified we'd be in the target zone, too.

This probably doesn't reflect well on me but I'm physically, emotionally and mentally exhausted by what we, as a country, are going through and possible headed towards. Maybe with time, if I survive, I'll rise above. Just not yet.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

30. Except those that challenge his weight

usually have something along the lines of "that fat pig." One can say that he is much heavier than that without fat shaming. Most include the fat shaming. Because he's a republican and we don't like him.

[Orrex]

9. Trump is fat and ugly and should be mocked for his ugly fatness at every opportunity

He should be mocked for a great many things, in fact, but his weight and appearance are certainly on the list.

Invariably, a chorus of high-minded souls will rise up to condemn such "shallow" personal attacks, to which I say "Yeah? Well at least I'm not fat and ugly like Trump."

In mocking fat Trump's ugliness, I am not making any commentary whatsoever on anyone else, and it is false to read such commentary into my observations about Trump's ugly fatness. That ugly fat fucker has openly mocked women for their weight and appearance for decades--famously fat-shaming a literal beauty pageant contestant--so it is entirely appropriate and reasonable to call him out for being comically fat and ugly.

The mockery here is based on fat and ugly Trump's hypocrisy, by which he presumes to mock others for their appearance when he himself is absurdly fat and hideous. Chris Christie also has a weight issue, but he doesn't (AFAIK) mock others for their appearance, so he should not be mocked for his.

But fat and ugly Trump? I will laugh at his ridiculously grotesque hugeness until they roll his bloated corpse back into the water.

[smirkymonkey]

10. +1000

I agree. I lost my high-mindedness concerning these things the moment Trump came on the scene. He deserves every amount of ridicule he gets, no matter how petty.

[Orrex]

12. I sometimes get this response:

"When you mock his weight, it diminishes you more than it diminishes him."

So I answer:

"That's just a matter of scale. Since he's so fucking fat and ugly, you can't see how much he's actually being diminished. It's like shaving a hill off the surface of a huge and hideous planet."

[mreilly]

15. THIS. THIS. THIS..

Orrex, without trying to provoke any arguments with people I will simply state there are some souls on DU who seem to be more focused on showing how kind and tolerant they are than fighting the Repigs on their own turf with their own weapons.

Being kind and tolerant has its merits, but it's why the rest of us who have engaged in bare-knuckle street fighting with the Predator Party get sneered at for being "snowflakes" who need "safe spaces." Until they end up getting their asses whipped in a down and dirty debate and then run off sneering "I'm blocking you since you're clearly brainwashed by the CNN Kool-Aid libtard!"

Trumpanzees INVARIABLY use that old "Kool-Aid" line. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. So I love it when I beat them to it and they start stammering to themselves: "B-b-b-but *I* was supposed to be the one to tell HIM he's drinking the Kool-Aid!" It literally enrages them.

I digress. If someone mocks someone else's appearance they open the door to having their own appearance mocked, as you said. Not only is it entirely fair but it's one of their own weapons used against them and THEY HATE THAT.

Anyone who thinks it would be "bullying" to bully a bully is part of the reason why these fuckers think they can say or do whatever they want to anyone but God forbid their targets fight back.

Experience even as a kid taught me that IGNORING BULLIES DOESN'T WORK. But once I took boxing lessons and challenged a bully to a fight then he saw my stance then decided he had an urgent appointment to go to, THAT WORKED.

[Orrex]

20. I agree completely

I'm a real loud-mouth on my community's unofficial FB page here in my Red county, because I can't sit by while they spout their bigoted, pro-Trump bullshit.

High-minded silence, or even polite disagreement simply gives the impression that Republicans dominate the discussion thanks. I've had more than a few silently lurking Progressives message me to thank me for speaking up.

The high road is definitely an important path to follow, but if we only go high when they go low, then we're leaving ourselves open to getting repeatedly stabbed in the gut.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

35. Totally agree. Squeaky wheel, and so forth.

Silence equals getting repeatedly kicked in the guts by repukes AND allows their lies to metastasize.

[malaise]

19. Absolutely

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Yes, absolutely!

Making fun of people just because they're fat is mean. But busting on Trump about being fat is appropriate - hell, it's mandatory - because he's spent his whole adult life fat-shaming and otherwise picking on and demeaning other people for their looks. And on top of that he's clearly lying about the extent of his fat, which is significant. So fuck him, fuck his fat ass and his fat gut, fuck his ugly mouth that looks like an asshole, fuck his fake orange complexion and his pathetic, bizarre combover the color of Russian hookers' pee and his chin wattles and his tiny hands and his tiny dick and his baggy suits and his 6'-long ties that he holds together with tape. He's an aesthetic blight on the universe and I'm happy to say so.

[Nay]

31. +100000. Exactly. Hit back hard. nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

36. 👍🏾👏🏾🤟🏾💪🏾

❤️

[Nay]

29. A thousand likes for this post. The Fat Shamer in Chief SHOULD be mocked

daily for his very own ugliness and fatness, since he himself mocks and shames everyone around him for even the tiniest 'defect'. Maybe his perfectly healthy body will have a stroke in response. One can only hope.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

32. Strongly disagree. Mocking someone for being fat has repercussions beyond that one person.

We don't need to feed the perspective that fat is bad, that fat is comic, that fat is ugly, that fat is grotesque. Just because it's Trump it is aimed at, doesn't mean it's OK. Just because mocks people doesn't make mocking him OK. This is a grade school lesson.

[bullwinkle428]

13. "Lie-shaming" is much more accurate description, IMO.

[aikoaiko]

22. Agreed.

[Major Nikon]

21. I do not agree that this is fat shaming

The word "girth" isn't a slur, and "girther" is just a play on the birther bullshit Trump himself enthusiastically participated in. Certainly there are some who are going to use the hashtag as an excuse to fat shame Trump, but this is going to happen regardless of how you attempt to engage in a discussion of his honesty on the subject.

Some people are going to feel justified in fat shaming Trump, especially since he has so gleefully engaged in that practice with others. I don't believe this is appropriate. I do believe it's entirely appropriate to question the health of the president, especially when he obviously isn't being honest about it. The WH physician claimed Trump is in "perfect health" while later admitting he has heart disease. He reported metrics which are obviously not correct, which calls into suspect everything in the report. There needs to be an honest physical and mental examination of our president, and if this #girther movement helps in that regard, I am all for it.

[snooper2]

23. I don't see any fat on Trump, he has one well defined well ripped body!

right?

[Motley13]

27. look at those tightie whities under his shorts

[spooky3]

38. Be thankful he was not going commando!

[Buns_of_Fire]

34. Cher, as usual, got right to the point:

Link to tweet

[BlancheSplanchnik]

37. 😆🤣😆. Yaaass. n/t

[Iggo]

24. He's got a fat ass and he's walking around telling people he doesn't have a fat ass...

...and people are correcting him on that, telling him "No that's a lie. Look behind you."

Call it what you want.

[MFM008]

28. But but

this maggot needs to be insulted and mocked. Why?
Because it annoys him.
How do I know this ?
Because they're fudging on his height to keep him out of the obese category he probably insisted that regardless of what the scales actually said he was six foot three instead of 6 foot 2 and 1 lb short of the obese category.
Pure vanity.

[IluvPitties]

33. Trump doesn't get any sympathy from yours truly.