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egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:00 PM Jan 2018

LIVE NOW on Politics Done Right: Democrats: We continue to distract ourselves at our own peril - Sta

Topic today: We continue to distract ourselves at our own peril - Stay woke

There are a lot of distractions out there. And both parties love it for two distinct reasons. One of them is right. The other is blowing it.

The Republicans passed a tax cut scam that will ultimately decimate the middle-class for years to come if it isn't eradicated after the 2018 election. While the tax cut scam bill was unpopular, few Americans do not realize that for many the pain will not hit them until they have no recourse. As such, Republicans do not want to talk about their tax cut scam at all.

The Democrats are playing perfectly into the hands of the Republicans. Like I have said many times, the American people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Progressives and Democrats need not concentrate most of their firepower on Trump. After all, he is not running. And he has proven that America, at least the important electoral college part, judges him on different metrics.

It is time to engage Americans and their representative politicians, district by district. And I mean both federal districts and state districts. Trump must not distract us.

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LIVE NOW on Politics Done Right: Democrats: We continue to distract ourselves at our own peril - Sta (Original Post) egbertowillies Jan 2018 OP
These are painful to read. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #1
He's not running in 2018. Kentonio Jan 2018 #2
I never said or insinuated he was. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #3
You pulled up the op on that point. Kentonio Jan 2018 #4
My response was completely accurate. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #6
Relying on anti-Trump sentiment would not be a smart strategy Kentonio Jan 2018 #7
"Relying on anti-Trump sentiment would not be a smart strategy" NCTraveler Jan 2018 #8
Have you heard a lot of Democrats on TV lately talking about the tax bill? Kentonio Jan 2018 #9
They have been talking about a lot of things. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #10
It's the author trying to pre-warn us not to fall into this trap in the campaign Kentonio Jan 2018 #11
"pre-warn " NCTraveler Jan 2018 #12
You were not correct, then or now Kentonio Jan 2018 #13
The tax scam is an issue that affects all Americans. jalan48 Jan 2018 #5
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. These are painful to read.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:05 PM
Jan 2018

The wild speculation, inaccuracies, and just overall lack of thought.

"After all, he is not running."

Who told you that?

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
4. You pulled up the op on that point.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:11 PM
Jan 2018

It seems fairly clear the author was just suggesting that we make sure we campaign heavily on what the GOP as a whole have been upto, and not just rely on attacking Trump in the 2018 campaign. It doesn't seem like particularly controversial advice.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. My response was completely accurate.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:13 PM
Jan 2018

Trump is currently running.

Has Trump brought us single payer yet? Another beautiful gem.

The op is also built off of a fabricated narrative.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
7. Relying on anti-Trump sentiment would not be a smart strategy
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:30 PM
Jan 2018

Yes, we'll get a great boost off it, but he's already publicizing his own fuckups for us. We need to focus our energies on the things that aren't being widely discussed, and the tax bill is certainly one of those.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
9. Have you heard a lot of Democrats on TV lately talking about the tax bill?
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:35 PM
Jan 2018

Or have they mostly been talking about Trump?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. They have been talking about a lot of things.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:54 PM
Jan 2018

That is clear. A lot of the conversation is clearly about Trump. Some, but less, about the taxscam. That is what happens outside of campaigns as legislation gets further and further behind. As it should be. It has an impact in every district in the country.

Again, it's nothing but a strawman argument.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
11. It's the author trying to pre-warn us not to fall into this trap in the campaign
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:57 PM
Jan 2018

It's a reasonable warning and I have no idea why you're acting like the op is some slur on the party.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. "pre-warn "
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:03 PM
Jan 2018

Your response was clearly about current events. Not future. As is the op.

The op is a slur on the party and not the first time.

You started by trying to correct me on a point I was obviously correct on. You then move to the next, which was also inaccurate on your part. You use present tense and then claim it's about the future.

A pre-warning would be when the op told us Trump was going to deliver single payer.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
13. You were not correct, then or now
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:07 PM
Jan 2018

If you just want to attack Trump, go ahead. We're all united in disgust and contempt for the moron. But it's not the right tactic to use in the campaign, and the op has every right to make that point.

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
5. The tax scam is an issue that affects all Americans.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:12 PM
Jan 2018

Trump's antics do indeed distract voters, perhaps that is why he is there, the carnival-barker-in-chief. If Democrat's can focus on rich vs. poor it will cut across the lines of race and gender politics. An identity issue of the all, if you will. Unfortunately, wealthy individuals, corporations and banks fund both sides and have little interest in tax policies that will lower their profit margin.

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