The Russian attack on our election was an act of war,

[rateyes]

dammit! And the so-called CIC, and every politician who can do something about it, but isn’t, is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

We should be defending ourselves and “attacking” Putin. Sanctions were put in place, but Benedict Donald and his treasonous band won’t even fucking enforce them.

Good Gawd Almighty!

[Iggo]

1. Weird how for years people talked about cyber-war.

Now that we've got our ass kicked in a cyber-war, nobody talks about it anymore.

Weird.

[2naSalit]

26. Weird...nt

[Irish_Dem]

2. It is much easier and cheaper to take over a country the way Putin did it.

He really is an evil genius.
He is committing the crime of the century and getting away with it.

[delisen]

7. Very true.

[DoubleAgentOrange]

3. Be careful

Venezuela (among others in recent decades) could easily make the same argument against the United States with respect to actions undertaken by the Bush Crime Family and the CIA in 2002.

[rateyes]

5. And, the point is....

[delisen]

9. And Venezuela had every reason to fight back-as we must now.

[DoubleAgentOrange]

17. Pelosi and Rangel didn't seem to think so

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/

[delisen]

20. I have no problem with Pelosi's and Rangel's

criticism of Chavez's behavior at the UN and elsewhere. Chavez had the opportunity to put forth facts.

Instead he chose to do an emotional sound and fury, name-calling attack, along the well worn lines of the authoritarian "strong man" leader.

Actually that article detailing Chavez's verbal attacks makes him appear to have been a forerunner of Donald Trump on the world stage.

I don't have much patience with male authoritarianism on the world stage-whether it comes from the left or the right, women and children are generally the big losers.

[Irish_Dem]

11. Yes, Putin has learned a great deal by watching how America has interfered with other countries.

This is one of the reasons Putin feels justified in his actions I would imagine.
He probably thinks America deserves what he did since we are too stupid or
lazy to secure our voting system. And we are imbeciles who would vote for
a crazy ignorant TV star to be our president. And that he has done nothing that
America has not done to other countries.

Edited to add: it is important to understand the how and why of Putin's actions,
or we will be under his thumb for a quite a long time.

[DoubleAgentOrange]

15. I'm Canadian

I have little love for either side.

I remember when you guys had our government make CSIS spy on Tommy Douglas.

You said no to McGovern, to Dean, to Kucinich, and to Sanders.

When I see Donald Trump, I see a corrupt bigot being controlled by Moscow, Riyadh, Tel Aviv, and Colorado Springs.

When I see Hillary Clinton, I see a supporter of the Iraq War and a Secretary of State who helped the Honduran military and other far-right interests oust Manuel Zelaya in 2009.

Unless your next candidate is a Bernie or a Wellstone type, I don't care if Moscow or Beijing interferes.

Perhaps if I were American, self-interested would render me more compassionate.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Good and interesting points.

Cannot argue with them.

[uponit7771]

19. "On 28 June 2009, the Supreme Court issued an order to detain President Zelaya, " from

... wikepedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Zelaya

Doesn't sound like your assessment of Clinton is fair (especially leaving out her support of Iraq was not unconditional) and of course some from Canada wouldn't understand why "skipping the southern states" is a dead end for anyone in the democratic primary.

Kucinich has been a FAUX News sellout and has been for a while

Either way, as an American I care if Moscow interferes because Vlad is another form of white supremacist who values white people over anything, something I especially would be affected by.

[delisen]

23. Putin grew up in the Soviet Union and was KGB

He did not need to look to the US for lessons in authoritarianism or colonialism. His took his lessons from Soviet invasion and domination of the Eastern European block.

Putin could certainly school Trump in how to build a wall.

I personally got a small taste of the Soviet"influence" on other countries when I was interrogated and threatened with being detained in East Berlin in the 80s for talking to an "unauthorized" person.

It looks like Putin voted heavily for Trump also, just didn't enter the voting booth in the usual way.

Putin did learn how to sing "Blueberry Hill" from the US. I still get a kick out of his performance on You Tube.

[Irish_Dem]

25. Yes of course, but he used a more subtle and clever approach then the typical

heavy handed Soviet takeover and suppression.
Putin used a more American style approach.

[uponit7771]

18. So what? Also, its not federal law in those countries to accept gifts for the sake of affecting ...

... elections or at least not as we know it

[rateyes]

4. I want this one question asked and answered by

Trump, Pence, Mattis, Tillerson, Obama, Hillary, et al. “Did Russia attack our Democracy?” Yes or no? 16 agency heads say YES. What the hell are you doing about it?

[delisen]

6. The passivity is scary and worse are those who

actively attempt to leave the Russian attack out of their analyses about what happened and what we must do going forward.

As far as I can see the old narratives are dead but many are still clinging to them.

[NCTraveler]

8. It's not an act of war.

It's our job to stop them.

We have committed to a lot of wars no one knows about if it's an act of war.

[rateyes]

10. I disagree. It was an attack on our democracy! They

hacked the damned voter rolls.

[NCTraveler]

12. It's not like we didn't make it easy for them.

These things are our failures. Not an act of war. War!!! War!!! War!!!!

[duforsure]

13. I agree

When they attack our Democracy , and our free elections, they are trying to undermine control of our government installing a illegitimate person who sold us out for greed and power. We're now seeing the damage he and his treasonous others in his party are enabling this to take place, and at an alarming rate. The rule of law is his next target where it doesn't apply to him, just like it doesn't apply to Putin in Russia either.

[FreepFryer]

14. The legal and practical realities may differ, but it essentially is (not was) an act of war.

It continues. And the hornets' nest has been kicked one too many times for this to stand.

[workinclasszero]

21. The worst Russian attack is called Trump

And he continues to severely damage this country 24/7/365.

[delisen]

24. The Trump Bomb - cheap but effective

[2naSalit]

27. +1

[Initech]

22. Thank you!!!!

I've been saying that since Day One! I'm normally against war but I wouldn't mind seeing Putin and his troll army bombed back to the stone age.