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salvorhardin

(9,995 posts)
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:15 PM Jul 2012

What would a true conservative economist recommend? Nationalize the banks!

Some economists in and around the University of Chicago, who founded the modern conservative tradition, had a surprisingly different take: When it comes to the really big fish in the economic pond, some felt, the only way to preserve competition was to nationalize the largest ones, which defied regulation.

This notion seems counterintuitive: after all, the school’s founders provided the intellectual framework for the laissez-faire turn against market regulation over the last half-century. But for them, “bigness” and competition could easily become mutually exclusive. One of the most important Chicago School leaders, Henry C. Simons, judged in 1934 that “the corporation is simply running away with our economic (and political) system.”

Simons (a hero of the libertarian idol Milton Friedman) was skeptical of enormity. “Few of our gigantic corporations,” he wrote, “can be defended on the ground that their present size is necessary to reasonably full exploitation of production economies.”

The central problem, then as now, was that very large corporations could easily undermine regulatory and antitrust strategies. The Nobel laureate George J. Stigler demonstrated how regulation was commonly “designed and operated primarily for” the benefit of the industries involved. And numerous conservatives, including Simons, concluded that large corporate players could thwart antitrust “break-them-up” efforts — a view Friedman came to share.

Simons did not shrink from the obvious conclusion: “Every industry should be either effectively competitive or socialized.” If other remedies were unworkable, “The state should face the necessity of actually taking over, owning, and managing directly” all “industries in which it is impossible to maintain effectively competitive conditions.”

Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/opinion/banks-that-are-too-big-to-regulate-should-be-nationalized.html
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What would a true conservative economist recommend? Nationalize the banks! (Original Post) salvorhardin Jul 2012 OP
Damn right! elleng Jul 2012 #1
Interesting argument - makes sense to me. el_bryanto Jul 2012 #2
Wow! Wonderful, BUT TPTB are doing the opposite, e.g. postal system, education...nt snappyturtle Jul 2012 #3
It's as if nobody remembers what it was like prior to Reagan salvorhardin Jul 2012 #4
I agree and when I try to remind people who were adults under snappyturtle Jul 2012 #5
His solution is workable if private money didn't fund the campaigns of Dems and Repubs. Selatius Jul 2012 #6
The casino economy infects everything salvorhardin Jul 2012 #7
I think that may be one thing for which historians will criticize Obama OmahaBlueDog Jul 2012 #8
I agree salvorhardin Jul 2012 #9
Controlling our own currency is a pretty sensible idea. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #10
2nd day kick salvorhardin Jul 2012 #11
That is common sense. I'd go a step further than competition and add oversight as well. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #12

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. Interesting argument - makes sense to me.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jul 2012

Essentially he's arguing against monopolies unless they are owned by the people and managed by their representatives.

Bryant

salvorhardin

(9,995 posts)
4. It's as if nobody remembers what it was like prior to Reagan
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jul 2012

We're living a country that, domestically, is almost a polar opposite to what it was.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
5. I agree and when I try to remind people who were adults under
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jul 2012

Reagan of how is was they look at me as if I have three heads!

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
6. His solution is workable if private money didn't fund the campaigns of Dems and Repubs.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:13 PM
Jul 2012

Unfortunately, they do. This is why you'll still see thugs like Summers or Geithner and others of their kind going through the revolving door between big business and government.

salvorhardin

(9,995 posts)
7. The casino economy infects everything
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jul 2012

Everything has been financialized -- and that's something neither Keynes, nor Simmons, nor Marx saw coming. Hell, I'm not even sure Friedman saw it, although he perhaps can be considered the father of the casino economy (which I guess would make Greenspan its prophet).

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
8. I think that may be one thing for which historians will criticize Obama
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jul 2012

When he took the Presidency in 2009, he had an historic moment of opportunity to nationalize the too-big-to-fail institutions (Citi, BoA, Chase). Busting them up into smaller pieces, and re-regulating limits on how many states in which a bank could operate would have gone a long way toward preventing a repeat of 2008.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
12. That is common sense. I'd go a step further than competition and add oversight as well.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:29 AM
Jul 2012

If you cannot independently provide oversight and depend on the industry or corporation to self report then there is also a problem.

How are you going to issue drilling permits with no ability to inspect or shut down the wells? The only thing we can do is hope for the best and levy fines far too small to act as a deterrent or fix the resulting problems.

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