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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 12:01 AM Jan 2018

Tired of people saying and regurgitating that Wolff's book is untrue and that he said so

The author did NOT say the book was untrue. He wrote in his note that some responses he received were obviously not true but passing them on for the reader to judge. And some of his conversations were a mix of off the record, deep background, or just on the record remarks. He had to piece together parts of conversations said under various conditions

His book is a truthful representation of his interviews

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Tired of people saying and regurgitating that Wolff's book is untrue and that he said so (Original Post) Roland99 Jan 2018 OP
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2018 #1
K&R mvd Jan 2018 #2
Exactly. Everything he wrote, his sources actually said. His quoted them accurately. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #3
Woman from Examiner on PM Joy was really pushing that Wolf cherry-picked who in WH he quoted bobbieinok Jan 2018 #4
K and R oasis Jan 2018 #5
Kick and Rec n/t emulatorloo Jan 2018 #6
His forward to the book is critical Pacifist Patriot Jan 2018 #7
I'm tired of the whole book thing... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #8
Rather like those who urgently wish to dismiss it as "tabloidish" Orrex Jan 2018 #9
It is definitely tabloid-ish oberliner Jan 2018 #14
I submit that my post about Kitty KELLEY applies to WOLFF - although I'd rate her even higher: UTUSN Jan 2018 #10
Theyre screaming like banshees lunatica Jan 2018 #11
He's been accused of being loose with the facts long before this book mythology Jan 2018 #12
Imagine if he released the audio recordings on CD? Roland99 Jan 2018 #13
But is pisses off all the right people. Ligyron Jan 2018 #15

SunSeeker

(51,716 posts)
3. Exactly. Everything he wrote, his sources actually said. His quoted them accurately.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:21 AM
Jan 2018

Now whether what his sources was true/accurate is another matter. But when ALL of them say Trump is like a child, kind of hard to say they're all wrong.

The real scandal the book reveals is that everyone he spoke with in the Trump administration thinks he's unfit, yet they continue to cover for him.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
4. Woman from Examiner on PM Joy was really pushing that Wolf cherry-picked who in WH he quoted
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:26 AM
Jan 2018

Said that he admitted that. Claimed FBI and DOJ filled with Obama/Clinton liberals out to get Trump. Said lots more typical RW propaganda.

Joy kept pusing her to give sources for her claims, but she weaseled out and talked over Joy.

Conason was very good. Clearly and concisely corrected RW garbage. He should be on many more shows. Most pundits on our side are not clear and concise enuff to cut thru the
Rw garbage.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
7. His forward to the book is critical
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:03 PM
Jan 2018

He is explicit about the difficulties in writing the book. I can only imagine the impossibility of sorting through the alternative facts coming out of competing agenda.

Wounded Bear

(58,717 posts)
8. I'm tired of the whole book thing...
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:07 PM
Jan 2018

Lots of free pub for Wolff, and some great hits on Trump, but I'm not buying a copy.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
9. Rather like those who urgently wish to dismiss it as "tabloidish"
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jan 2018

What are we to make of such desperation?

k/r

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. It is definitely tabloid-ish
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jan 2018

I think even Wolff would say so.

However, that doesn't mean it is not effective and filled with many accurate interviews and statements.

UTUSN

(70,744 posts)
10. I submit that my post about Kitty KELLEY applies to WOLFF - although I'd rate her even higher:
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:21 PM
Jan 2018

(re-post: ) I don't know what would rule out somebody as a "credible source" who conducts hundreds of interviews for each of her books, with every anecdote being verified by two or more of her sources, and picked over by a team of lawyers. She is not the "source" of the stories.

She attributed the comment (via her sources) about Nancy's talent/reputation to Peter LAWFORD.

Years ago, I was being gigged here for posting items from Page Six, on the grounds of how lowbrow and unseemly it was to post GOSSIP (gasp!1) here at DU. Back then I copied/pasted the dictionary definition of "gossip" multiple times, the upshot of which is that it has NOTHING TO DO with being UNtrue, that it might be embarrassing or something not wanted to be spread around or whatever but NOT UNtrue. The items I posted were about politics, and legitimate reporters who specialize in gossip operate by standards, and a lot of one day's gossip becomes mainstream journalism days or weeks later. Notice, I am not talking about the Globe, Examiner, et al.

Here's something I'll take credit for. While I was disappointed in KELLEY's book about the BUSH Family Evil Empire (2004) because I thought it wasn't up to the snuff of her early books and that she went soft on the BUSHes, I eagerly tuned in to the Today show interview scheduled over two days. Whatever Matt LAUER's game was in politics and towards women (compare his 2016 treatment of Hillary) I didn't know, but I was appalled on the first day when he SCALDED Kelley for having the gall to do her kind of writing about the holy BUSHes and just tongue lashed her for the entire "interview".

I spent the next couple of hours Googling to find a phone number for the Today show and, incredibly, got through to some Today staffer (maybe a producer), and went over what I'm saying here about "gossip" and KELLEY's integrity and how unfair and horrible LAUER had been to her, and the staffer was totally receptive. The second day, LAUER was thoroughly chastened, sat close/next to KELLEY and conducted an entirely different, subdued and respectful, conversation with her.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. Theyre screaming like banshees
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jan 2018

I say Let them. The more it hurts the better. They’re long overdue for a karmic adjustment

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
12. He's been accused of being loose with the facts long before this book
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jan 2018

I always try to be careful if something seems to be telling me what I want to believe.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
15. But is pisses off all the right people.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jan 2018

From that standpoint - it almost doesn't matter how much is true. Their hair is on fire and I'm loving it!

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