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Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:22 PM Jul 2012

What if James Holmes' Name Was Muhammed El Ali?

The reaction would be entirely different. We would demand that our government act.

Since 9/11, we've had the Beltway shooter, the VA Tech massacre, the Tuscon massacre, and now the Aurora shootings. Yet, as a nation, we don't demand government action. We just accept mass killings as a fact of life.

Why?

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What if James Holmes' Name Was Muhammed El Ali? (Original Post) Yavin4 Jul 2012 OP
What if he was black? LynneSin Jul 2012 #1
The Beltway Shooters Were Black Yavin4 Jul 2012 #5
I think it would be different Rabid_Rabbit Jul 2012 #2
Why is it that Maj. Hasan Nidal is rarely mentioned TouchOfGray Jul 2012 #3
And That Act Was Investigated As A Terrorist Act Yavin4 Jul 2012 #7
Shouting allahu akbar had something to do with that. 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #9
The beltway shooter was a black muslim... Kalidurga Jul 2012 #4
If a person of the Islamic Faith Commits These Massacres, It's Immediately Labeled As Terrorism Yavin4 Jul 2012 #6
I remember before he got caught.. Kalidurga Jul 2012 #8

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
5. The Beltway Shooters Were Black
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jul 2012

My point is: "why doesn't the media label these attacks as terrorism"?

 

Rabid_Rabbit

(131 posts)
2. I think it would be different
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:27 PM
Jul 2012

in so far as every media outlet telling us that 'not all muslims are bad'. Do you think ABC would have posted the information of the killers mosque like they did about some guy named James Holmes that was on a Tea Party web site?

 

TouchOfGray

(82 posts)
3. Why is it that Maj. Hasan Nidal is rarely mentioned
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jul 2012

standing on a table screaming "Allahu Akbar" while gunning down 42 of his fellow soldiers at Ft. Hood when discussing mass shootings?

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
9. Shouting allahu akbar had something to do with that.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:57 PM
Jul 2012

If he'd gone in their shouting 'death to capitalism' or some such slogan it would likely have been labeled terrorism as well.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. The beltway shooter was a black muslim...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jul 2012

the VA tech shooter was Asian, the Tuscon massacre shooter was white (but still other), the Aurora shooter was the only one that might be considered the All American Boy.

I don't think most people care about the race, religion, economic status, or even the mental state of someone that kills a loved one. I wouldn't. I would want justice, but mostly I would want what I can't have, my life before some murderer took away my loved one. This case to me isn't about justice. It is about a broken system that produces people like this of all walks of life. Until we get to the root cause and have better gun laws, this will continue. What I want most is for this to be extremely rare.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
6. If a person of the Islamic Faith Commits These Massacres, It's Immediately Labeled As Terrorism
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jul 2012

However, when these acts are committed by non-muslims, they're not labeled as such.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
8. I remember before he got caught..
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jul 2012

people were saying it is an act of terrorism. I agreed even before he was caught that it was terrorism. I really don't care about race, creed, gender, orientation, income bracket, age, or even why a shooter does what they do. It tears people, families, and communities apart. We need to deal with that. Restrict guns a bit more close the loop holes and make sure that people are sane before they get to purchase.

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