Fire and Fury is not going to change anyone's opinion of trump. the 35% who supported trump

[still_one]

before will continue to do so

The question is will it motivate the 65% to come out and vote in 2018 to stop this insanity?

[uponit7771]

1. If Wolff does have tapes it could change Mueller's investigation though, that's what matters

[still_one]

2. That is the key upon and if this motivates people to vote Democratic in 2018 to stop the insanity

[MineralMan]

3. We should not give a damn about what that 35% thinks.

Seriously. Why do we even pay attention to them? Instead, we need to focus on the other 65%. Ignore the morons. Nothing anyone can say or do will change their obtuse minds.

Focus on people who are capable of thought. Forget the "basest" of voters. They should not matter to any of us.

[still_one]

5. The question is will it motivate the other 65% to come out and vote in 2018?

[MineralMan]

13. That's sort of up to us, isn't it?

If we can't GOTV base on this, we are completely useless.

[Vilis Veritas]

29. That is right. If the 35% can get out and vote and we do not, then it is we who are morons.

Not that you said morons and that is probably way to strong, but man...65% should be enough...

[bdamomma]

6. forget those who don't want to

educate themselves. As long as we do, and get this POS out.

[uponit7771]

14. +1, just found out in the beginning Hitler only had around 30 ish % support from German society...

... and most of them were "disenfranchised" somethings too.

It looks like no matter what society around 1/3rd will support an asshole to the death

[MineralMan]

18. It all supports my Three-Thirds Theory.

One third are assholes.
One third are smart people
One third can be convinced to go either way.

I've held that opinion for about 52 of my 72 years, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary so far.

[uponit7771]

23. Hmmmm, might be some scientific data to back up your theory too

[MineralMan]

25. I just started an OP on the subject.

Maybe we can hash it all out. I have no data. It's just my observation over my lifetime.

[Basic LA]

36. Your rule holds up for me!

I'm the same age, and I used to say that it's the 80% who ruin it for the rest of us. But your figures sound right.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

41. I agree.

I'd rephrase to say the assholes just aren't very bright, and that's not really their fault. Here's what I can't figure; I know several people who ARE bright but have swallowed the 'both parties are the same' pill and either didn't vote because Hillary was the Devil Incarnate or pouted because Sanders wasn't the candidate. They seem unmoved by the antics of DJT. Kinda like they're watching a train wreck...........

[DBoon]

31. It was support of wealthy industrialists that took Hitler over the top

My contention is that the big money supported Hitler as a way to crush the Social Democrats and the Communists

Without that money and support, Hitler would have been a nutty fringe element with no power

I believe there is a parallel to current events - without funding by the Mercers and other extreme right wing billionaires we would not be reading a book about people like Bannon and Trump wielding power

[uponit7771]

39. Yep, communism was sKrong at that time and industrialist wanted the conservative style economy ...

... of trickle up to them to continue.

I just wonder where the hell are the democratic billionaires willing to put some money into dem causes like the Koch's and Mercers have done.

I'm still thinking a good portion of KGOP money comes from the Russians IE Ryan and McTurtle willing to go down with the Red Don ship

[lindysalsagal]

4. OK I get it, but, eventually, when it's been weeks of him being called every negative in the book:

delusional
illiterate
ignorant
unable to hire good people
unable to know who to trust
foolish
forgetful
confused
deranged
and with no one left on his side, since he's now lost bannon,

eventually, I think it will cost him more support. I think this is oing tremendous damage.

[onecent]

28. I SURELY HOPE SO!!!!!!

[Jarqui]

7. I think it is like a wedge issue

it will siphon a few more away

and it will rattle the core of GOP folks who permit him to be in power

[treestar]

8. Yeah, but it is really going to bug them

and their Orange Rat leader too.

[still_one]

9. I am hoping it motivates people to come out and vote Democratic in 2018

[treestar]

16. Exactly, the 35%

who always vote R and the 35% who always vote D, but the rest will have heard enough negativity about the Orange Idiot that they might get that they should vote to stop him. They let him get into office. Maybe they will feel responsible for once.

[bdamomma]

15. good

let's bug them.

Do you realize how they wanted to stop this book coming out and the publisher changed the date from January 9th to today????? Ha!!! they want to screw around with us they have another coming.

[L. Coyote]

10. Disagree. There comes a point when even flatlanders have to acknowledge the sphere.

They may hunt for the edge for decades, but eventually .... A few will hold out until he's in his new residence, of course.



THREAD: Today's NYT revelations aid Mueller's obstruction investigation.

Link to tweet

[still_one]

17. Renato Mariotti is not trump's base. The question is will it motivate the 65% to vote Democratic

in 2018 to stop him?

[L. Coyote]

22. And trump isn't on the ballot this year.

But he may determine the outcome.

[still_one]

24. yes he is Coyote, by proxy.

[C_U_L8R]

11. If 65% take action

this awful farce will be over

[still_one]

19. ding ding ding. You are absolutely right, and will 65% come out to vote in 2018 to send that

message?

I hope so

[YessirAtsaFact]

32. We did in VA and Alabama

Nothing in the news since then makes us less likely to vote in 2018.

In fact, there’s even more reasons for us or vote in 2018.

The tax bill, pot and offshore drilling come to mind.

And then there is the day to day asshole behavior of our fearless leader

[Siwsan]

12. Perhaps it will wake up a small, but nearly negligible number

There will always be that group that will excuse and rationalize any of his behaviors. For them to do anything else would be admitting they made a mistake, and some people, trump*, for example, are totally incapable of doing that.

[still_one]

20. I will be happy if it motivates the 65% to come out and vote Democratic in 2018

[Siwsan]

26. Totally Agree!

[Jim__]

21. The book tends to make Trump a laughing stock.

That may hurt him with his base.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. I Don't Know Jim

It was a laughingstock all the way up to when "it" won and all those people voted for "it" anyway.

Everybody saw the debates. (Well everyone who cared to.) That 35% isn't going to care a whit.

[AlexSFCA]

27. but it helps to fuel trump/bannon feud

the base is being split now which is a breakthrough after a year. On top of that we have Trump/Sessions feud which also has the potential to split the base as many view Sessions as a proven hardline conservative unlike trump.

[HopeAgain]

30. Expect an all-out assault on Wolff

It will start with Alex Jones and the Daily Caller and move to Faux News and then some of the MSM media will pick it up. Only God knows at this point what the allegations against the gossip reporter will be. By April, all Republicans will believe it was a Democratic hit job and nothing more... Cover will have been provided for the Republicans in Congress and they will continue to deconstruct the American Government, business as usual.

We live in the era of believe whatever you want to believe, facts are irrelevant.

[NewJeffCT]

33. We don't need to change the minds of all 35%

Just 1, 2 or 3% of them would make a HUGE difference in a lot of areas.

Jon Ossoff lost by what, 1 or 2%? Darell Issa won by 1 or 2%?

In the Senate, Toomey in PA and the guy from North Carolina won very close races. Feingold lost a close race as well. Just imagine if Democrats had 2 or 3 more seats right now in the Senate?

Trump's base is eroding - his numbers have gone down slowly over the past year.

[BannonsLiver]

34. So what?

[highmindedhavi]

35. BI: The author of the explosive new Trump book says he can't be sure if parts of it are true?!

What the hell!

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-wolff-note-says-he-doesnt-know-if-trump-book-is-all-true-2018-1


"Sometimes I have let the players offer their versions, in turn allowing the reader to judge them. In other instances I have, through a consistency in the accounts and through sources I have come to trust, settled on a version of events I believe to be true."

repugs are going to run with this

[kcr]

40. Except you'll note he actually didn't say that

Typical case of clickbait headline twisting reality. The article even states:

Host Savannah Guthrie asked him: "You stand by everything in the book? Nothing made up?"

He responded: "Absolutely everything in the book."

Shortly after, he expanded, saying: "I am certainly and absolutely, in every way, comfortable with everything I've reported in this book."

This isn't necessarily at odds with what he said in the author's note, as it allows for the possibility that he was told something untrue and repeated it without realising, or reached a wrong conclusion when presenting a version of contested events.

[samnsara]

37. the 35% are lost...its up to the rest of us..the REAL patriots.. to save America..

[no_hypocrisy]

38. Even though Trump admitted he didn't want to win

the Election, that is, he really didn't want to help them?

[Orsino]

42. It will change a few minds, and influence many more.

Mostly, it is the first detailed peek behind the curtain and will therefore be corroborated by a lot of big names.

It will show the Emperor with his pants down, but more importantly it will show the expressions of loyal but horrified minions. Trump will be tweeting in vain for months trying to debunk this book. Some of those Lock-Her-Ups will find their enthusiasm diminished as every public word and action of POTUS seems to confirm Wolff's portrait of Chaos House.

Unless it's been oversold.

[edbermac]

44. Trump could murder the Pope, the Queen and the Dalai Lama.

And they’d still vote for him.