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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 05:09 PM Jan 2018

A monument to SC's black Confederate soldiers? None fought for the South, experts say

December 30, 2017 10:00 AM

BY JEFF WILKINSON

jwilkinson@thestate.com

Two South Carolina lawmakers want to erect a monument on the State House grounds to African-Americans who served the state as Confederate soldiers. But records show the state never accepted nor recognized armed African-American soldiers during the Civil War.

“In all my years of research, I can say I have seen no documentation of black South Carolina soldiers fighting for the Confederacy,” said Walter Edgar, who for 32 years was director of the University of South Carolina’s Institute for Southern Studies and is author of “South Carolina: A History.”

“In fact, when secession came, the state turned down free (blacks) who wanted to volunteer because they didn’t want armed persons of color,” he said.

Pension records gleaned from the S.C. Department of History and Archives show no black Confederate soldiers received payment for combat service. And of the more than 300 blacks who did receive pensions after they were allowed in 1923, all served as body servants or cooks, the records show.

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A monument to SC's black Confederate soldiers? None fought for the South, experts say (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
White wing confederates like to say Blacks fought for the South. Hoyt Jan 2018 #1
Check out Kevin M. Levin on twitter. rogue emissary Jan 2018 #2
Even if there were, no more Confederate monuments. marble falls Jan 2018 #3
It's a complicated subject Yupster Jan 2018 #4
The confederate military did use slaves ThoughtCriminal Jan 2018 #5
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. White wing confederates like to say Blacks fought for the South.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

A few might have, but it was because they were ordered to, not because they supported slavery as white wingers want people to believe.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
2. Check out Kevin M. Levin on twitter.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 05:30 PM
Jan 2018

He's a historian that has found little to no evidence of blacks fighting for the Confederates. He's releasing a book hopefully this year titled "Searching For Black Confederate Soldiers: The Civil War’s Most Persistent Myth." He has also written op-eds on how the myth continues to spread without real evidence and in some cases faked photos etc.



Yupster

(14,308 posts)
4. It's a complicated subject
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 08:26 PM
Jan 2018

There were black Confederates. The only question was were there a handful or a lot.

Some points.

There were many thousands of free blacks living in the Confederacy under very varied economic circumstances. Some were even slave-holders, though research shows mostly they owned members of their own family who they had bought from another owner. It wasn't easy top get to the courthouse, so many of these cases may have just been no one got around to formally freeing your wife after buying her.

Confederate regiments were raised by county with much autonomy. Whatever the central rules were, each regiment pretty much governed itself with its own elected leaders. While one colonel or general would take a free black in the ranks as an affront, another would shrug. This is where you also get into the definition of what a black is. Whose going to be the one to accuse a mixed race blacksmith who came with a regiment that he looks black?

Armies of the Civil War marched with huge mile long trains of wagons filled with cannons, ammunition, food, and whatever other camp supplies were needed. The Confederate army teamsters were almost entirely black. The teamsters were armed and there is no doubt there were occasions where they used their arms to fend off raiding cavalry or bummers. Does that count as soldiers of the Confederacy?

Some documented cases. There's a Yankee letter which talks about a Confederate sniper who was a pain during the Seven Days campaign. Eventually the federals realized he was in a tree. They got a group of soldiers who shot volley after volley at the tree until they killed him. When they recovered the body they were surprised to see he was black.

During the battle of Gettysburg there's a letter from a federal troop who was captured in the union rout of day one. He was walked to the back with other prisoners by a black Confederate. He said he had a conversation that went something like "what are you fighting for the south for," to which he answered something like "shut up Yankee."

In his book "To Appomattox, Nine April Days, 1865," author Burke Davis describes the only documented case of black Confederate troops fighting as an organized group. In the last months of the war, the Confederacy started training black groups of soldiers. When Lee evacuated Richmond those black soldiers joined the retreat.On Tuesday, April 4, 1865, Davis talks of a Virginia private RM Dowell who wrote that he saw "a singular sight to me." He wrote that a federal cavalry regiment showed up on a hill 100 yards from stopped Confederate wagons. Black Confederates formed a line of battle and when the federal cavalry charged, the blacks in gray "fired rapidly and drove them off." The cavalry reformed and made a more determined charge which ended in the capture of the group.

So it's a complicated story. Things are almost always complicated in history when you look closely at them.

There is also a well documented case of a woman fighting in the ranks of Lee's Army and I'm sure there were many gays and transgenders too.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,049 posts)
5. The confederate military did use slaves
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 09:17 PM
Jan 2018

In the same way that the Nazis forced Jews into concentration camps to assemble munitions. Slaves were put to work hauling military supplies and other support operations.

As far as armed black Confederate soldiers, a tiny number were enlisted in the final weeks of the war. When a few of them marched through Richmond, white Confederate citizens hurled horse dung of them.



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