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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14516912/donald-trump-new-york-times-michael-schmidt/Trumps New York Times Interview Is a Portrait of a Man in Cognitive Decline
I dont care whether Michael Schmidt was tough enough. Weve got bigger problems.
By Charles P. Pierce
Dec 29, 2017
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Over the past 30 years, Ive seen my father and all of his siblings slide into the shadows and fog of Alzheimers Disease. (the president's father developed Alzheimer's in his 80s.) In 1984, Ronald Reagan debated Walter Mondale in Louisville and plainly had no idea where he was. (Would that someone on the panel had asked him. Hed have been stumped.) Not long afterwards, I was interviewing a prominent Alzheimers researcher for a book I was doing, and he said, I saw the look on his face that I see every day in my clinic. In the transcript of this interview, I hear in the president*s words my late aunts story about how we all walked home from church in the snow one Christmas morning, an event I dont recall, but that she remembered so vividly that she told the story every time I saw her for the last three years of her life.
In this interview, the president* is only intermittently coherent. He talks in semi-sentences and is always groping for something that sounds familiar, even if it makes no sense whatsoever and even if it blatantly contradicts something he said two minutes earlier.To my ears, anyway, this is more than the president*s well-known allergy to the truth. This is a classic coping mechanism employed when language skills are coming apart. (My father used to give a thumbs up when someone asked him a question. That was one of the strategies he used to make sense of a world that was becoming quite foreign to him.) My guess? Thats part of the reason why its always the failing New York Times, and his 2016 opponent is Crooked Hillary."
In addition, the president* exhibits the kind of stubbornness you see in patients when you try to relieve them of their car keysor, as one social worker in rural North Carolina told me, their shotguns. For example, a discussion on health-care goes completely off the rails when the president* suddenly recalls that there is a widely held opinion that he knows very little about the issues confronting the nation. So we get this.
This is more than simple grandiosity. This is someone fighting something happening to him that he is losing the capacity to understand. So is this.
In Ronald Reagans second term, we ducked a bullet. Ive always suspected he was propped up by a lot of people who a) didnt trust vice-president George H.W. Bush, b) found it convenient to have a forgetful president when the subpoenas began to fly, and c) found it helpful to have a detached president when they started running their own agendas like, say, selling missiles to mullahs. Youre seeing much the same thing with the congressional Republicans. Theyre operating an ongoing smash-and-grab on all the policy wishes theyve fondly cultivated since 1981. Having a president* who may not be all there and, as such, is susceptible to flattery because it reassures him that he actually is makes the heist that much easier.
So, no, I dont particularly care whether Michael Schmidt was tough enough, or asked enough follow-up questions. I care about this.
Weve got bigger problems.
mcar
(42,388 posts)Say there is a marked difference between then and now.
I still think NYT could have challenged him on one thing.
Cha
(297,772 posts)the idiot trump.. he should not be given a free pass. That's one reason we're in this tragic mess now.. the f***ing media Normalizing the pervert.
mcar
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Dereliction of duty. They are failing miserably at their jobs and we the people are suffering for it. They have an obligation to us and they are neglecting it for the sake of profit and ratings.
Cha
(297,772 posts)mgardener
(1,820 posts)Otherwise the narrative would have been how unfair the leftist media was to the POTUS. It would have been all about the questions.
The stark reality is that our POTUS is condemned by his own words. He was unfiltered and there is something horribly, horribly wrong with him. And with Republicans for allowing this travesty to continue.
It was there for all to see.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the reporter if he would play nice...any biting questions and he would have fled.
Better this proof of dementia than just another tweet.
This proof of dementia interview is for the record books. Does the annual physical exam of a President include a mental exam?
"TRUMP: No, it doesnt bother me because I hope that hes going to be fair. I think that hes going to be fair. And based on that [inaudible]. Theres been no collusion. But I think hes going to be fair. And if hes fair because everybody knows the answer already, Michael. I want you to treat me fairly. O.K.?"
Cha
(297,772 posts)at least ask.. "Who are the Democrats that make up virtually every Democrat?"
How is that unfair to poor Donald?
jrthin
(4,837 posts)Storm for the destruction of democracy: an inept and incompetent Congress and Senate, an inept and incompetent president*, and an inept and incompetent press (journalists).
Cha
(297,772 posts)for a global disaster of an unimaginable magnitude.
Somebody in the m$m needs to do their MF job to expose this idiot.. that the Russians hacked into the white house.
I agree with you. 100%.
tableturner
(1,684 posts)Tough follow up questions would have ended the unguarded stream of "consciousness" (note the quotes) that was recorded, and which has had so much impact. It also may have totally ended the interview.
brush
(53,918 posts)Letting Trump just speak spontaneously, is more revealing. People can hear how incoherent and deranged he is. Normally I would say he should be challenged, but I think in this instance, letting him ramble was a better course.
mcar
(42,388 posts)would lose a lot of $$$ with this tax bill. Yet just the other day, you greeted your paying members here and told them they'd make a fortune off it.
Can you explain the discrepancy?
Cha.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)difference to the voters.
Otherwise his popularity number would plummet even more than it has.
mcar
(42,388 posts)Same with Nixon. He had a solid 25-30% of supporters to the bitter end.
IIRC, his resignation was the Genesis of the RW movement WRT media, communication, etc. They have been playing a long game.
Eliot.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)Drumpf will say he did not write the bill, he merely signed it.
mcar
(42,388 posts)He should be held to account for it.
He also said in this interview that he knows more about the tax bill than a CPA. That would have been a perfect segue.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)credit for this monstrosity.
Cha
(297,772 posts)questions. How is that mean to the Liar in Tweet?
mcar
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)President Obama being ripped to shreds by interviewers. Remember O'Reilly interrupting him constantly? Steve Croft on "60 Minutes" was really disrespectful when he interviewed President Obama. He could not keep his dislike from showing through. Now, we have the orange ass, and people kiss his ring. DISGUSTING. We went from Class to Crass in a matter of one election. The damage done to this country, here and abroad will take years to repair.
Cha
(297,772 posts)be rude to President Obama was a given.. we expected it in advance. And, Obama didn't deserve it.
Can't forget chuck todd's infamous interviews with President Obama.
Chuck Todd Grills President Obama On Immigration Reform, ISIS, In Meet The Press Debut:
http://deadline.com/2014/09/president-obama-chuck-todd-interview-meet-press-830656/
thegoose
(3,115 posts)Why are they still tiptoeing around this bloated, lying, stupid orange gasbag? And why is the entire Repuke party offering him blowies?
Cha
(297,772 posts)while they super rudely grilled President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
As for the heinous, asshole repubs.. they don't want to rock the boat.. trump is getting them everything they want.
Rand Paul and Lindsey Graham both spoke the truth about tRump for a while. Then they went golfing with him, and did a 180 degree swivel. The Russians got into the RNC records, too, and know all the dirty little secrets. I am convinced they are being blackmailed. That, plus they all took lots of Russian $$$$.
Cha
(297,772 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)Same with Trump. The republican party has no conscience and they just looted the treasury and Trump is misled everyday by them. This is not America and Trump is a non functioning PINO and the oligarchs have already taken over the MSM. Make America, America Again(MAAA). Dump the republicans.
Dale Neiburg
(698 posts)By the time he was inaugurated his thought processes/language had deteriorated markedly from ~15 years before.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)handmade34
(22,758 posts)dementia... this article is pretty spot on
In this interview, the president* is only intermittently coherent. He talks in semi-sentences and is always groping for something that sounds familiar, even if it makes no sense whatsoever and even if it blatantly contradicts something he said two minutes earlier. To my ears, anyway, this is more than the president*s well-known allergy to the truth. This is a classic coping mechanism employed when language skills are coming apart. (My father used to give a thumbs up when someone asked him a question. That was one of the strategies he used to make sense of a world that was becoming quite foreign to him.)
coping mechanisms
Hekate
(90,846 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)They're a far cry from the Republicans of Nixon's day. It's obvious that a Senate led by a blatantly, viciously "party over country" McConnell and a House led by a clueless and inaffactive Ryan (the most overrated politician in recent history: thanks again, Joe Biden for exposing that back in 2012) will never put a stop to an obviously unhinged POTUS. They'll get all the goodies for the One Percent that they possibly can to ensure huge donations from them. Many on line are quoting Yeats' "The Second Coming." Read it if you're not familiar. It was written after WWI, but is SO relevant today.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,600 posts)By William Butler Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Agreed. There's much in this poem that speaks to today's circumstances. Especially, "A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun."
Hekate
(90,846 posts)... I've committed poems and parts of poems to memory, his language is so beautiful.
Saviolo
(3,283 posts)I think it's two-fold with Trump. It seems like he's trying to hold things together, but can't always grasp what's going on around him, and I think the repetition is very familiar to him. It's an old huckster's gimmick. Tell them what you're going to say, then say it, then tell them what you just said. The human brain is highly susceptible to repetition, and salespeople and marketers (like Trump) are adept in repeating themselves to make sure an idea or concept sticks in the mind of the audience.
I think he's falling back on this well-rehearsed huckster's trick while he's wheeling to find something to say in his increasingly foggy mind.
Siwsan
(26,298 posts)Add that interview to his two handed grasping of the water bottle - hand/eye coordination was another thing that spiraled, rapidly, with my mom. I eventually had to sit next to her, at meals, and guide her fork to the food, and the the food to her mouth. It was heartbreaking.
handmade34
(22,758 posts)my father became so frustrated and confused... he chose to just quit eating and soon after drinking... it didn't take long and he died a couple of days before Glen Campbell did... my father was still pretty healthy physically and I realized that he saved himself (and all of us) years of heartbreak...
Siwsan
(26,298 posts)We were lucky with Mom. Her decline was rapid - at first not a good thing because she became very paranoid and mean. But then something switched and she became very docile and childlike. She always knew who I was, even if everybody else became a stranger. Her last leg of that awful journey was relatively fast. She fell, didn't break anything, but she was gone about 6 weeks later, which was just 3 weeks after we lost my sister to cancer. 2015 was an awful year.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)enough
(13,262 posts)From the article>
This is more than simple grandiosity. This is someone fighting something happening to him that he is losing the capacity to understand.
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That is one of the clearest descriptions of early to mid-stage dementia that I have seen.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)erronis
(15,371 posts)There are NO numbers that make it look good. Unless you live in lala land, or are taking advantage of the orange turd for your personal advantage.
Hmmm. Ronnie, GHWB, GWB. Has there been a 'uglican pResident that wasn't prematurely (using "maturely" for W who wasn't) senile?
Is there something in their water? In their handlers/food? Is it the Blind Watchmaker determining that 'uglican pResidents will be stoopid and manipulatable?
Of course the history will be written by the victors. Let us not have a history that consists of "See Jane run. See George kill Jane."
Hekate
(90,846 posts)As far as I could tell, they were reading unedited and unredacted parts of that, not the finished article. It was damning as all hell.
I am glad the interviewer allowed the Mad King to simply ramble on, and did not challenge him. Any challenge at all to this demented old man and he would have ended the whole thing with a bellow for security guards to toss the offender out, and might have ordered the confiscation of his notes and recorder as well. As it was, we all get to see a man who really ought to be in the Memory Unit of the retirement home, not the Oval Office.
I'll tell you who I really want to see peppered with tough questions are the enablers. Sarah Huckabee, Kellyanne Conway, the WH staff, any GOP Senator or Rep you care to name. Imagine their faces when asked: "The president is clearly mentally incapacitated. What do you plan to do about that?" And then asked again at every presser. Just describe his observable behavior and ask about it.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Paladin
(28,276 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,342 posts)turn up the skillet and add more bacon fat
HipChick
(25,485 posts)with my dad...its a hard thing to watch
MyOwnPeace
(16,940 posts)as Charlie Pierce is, I cannot say I feel any better after reading this!
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Like in complete sentences with complete responsible thoughts.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)He was never a genius, but the difference between his speaking abilities between years ago and now is alarming.
onlyadream
(2,168 posts)And if the alarm is sounded, what is the course of action? You'd think that after Reagan they'd have put something in place for this circumstance.
Hekate
(90,846 posts)extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)My mother made the decision not to drive anymore. I was glad. My father would not, and I had to insist that I drive when we were in the car together. That did not stop him from driving, even when he totaled his truck driving through a stop sign. Later, my sister and I had to make the difficult decision to take his guns away. He never forgive us. It was hard to deal with. Trump is going downhill. He was never that bright to begin with. Let's hope he does not, in a fit of dementia, order a nuke up. Will our system be able to confront a man who has no right being President? Who is in a stage of dementia? God help us all until he can, in some way, be removed from office.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)....also had to deal with and know many people who have had similar circumstances as well with their parents in the later stages of life and when dementia or Alzheimers taking over. Especially hard was when my father started getting angry and I knew then the guns had to go. My brother took them out of the house "for safe keeping" as he told Dad.
But that brings us to Trump....there is no question in the mind of any of those that know the signs and have lived through it. There is no question to the professionals and psychiatrists who "have a duty to warn" and have been warning the signals. There is no question that the "real reason" Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and many other of his "handlers" and "enablers" had to move to Washington DC and even have offices in the White House....they all know, even if they don't want to admit it.
Donald Trump had to run for President. Its part of the game that they all have to keep going to keep the family business afloat. Between the monies he has had to beg, borrow, steal from various people in his lifetime, to the "Reality TV Show called Trump", to Pizza Hut Commercials etc. its because he is heavily in debt and needs the cash to be flowing in. And the kids and Son-in-Law are all in on this private family enterprise and that is why they all participate to keep the machine running and the facade up. The members of Congress and his cabinet who enabled him during the campaign and since all know and are going with it to help meet their agenda and their profiteering to keep up the profits and the money flowing as well.
The problem is that this isn't a TV Show or a Game. It is reality. And this man is sick and not well. And our country and the White House and our government is not some production of the ultimate Reality TV Show where each week some drama can happen and we all see who is fired and we stay tuned for which member of the cast is fired or sent home in disgrace or Omarosa is going to threaten a tell-all and we sit in anticipation of seeing what is next.
And Trump is "driving" the country down a one-way road in the wrong direction and he has the "ultimate guns" in his hands....
We better hope he isn't entering the "anger" phase and we better all pray/hope that there is someone who can stop him driving and take those guns away....for the safety of all of us and the World....
Towlie
(5,328 posts)If you're addressing people who don't necessarily see it the way you do, that's no way to sell your views to them. I'm sure it made him feel good to write it, and it makes us feel good to read it, but it's not going to persuade anyone who needs persuading.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Interspersed between the quotes are Pierce's personal experience with several family members lost to Alzheimers. I'm not sure where you're finding bias and sarcasm. Certainly Pierce uses those tools in many of his other posts, but this one seems pretty straightforward. Do the clipped quotes read like a rational man in full possession of all his marbles?
leftieNanner
(15,173 posts)We know that The Donald does nothing all day but drink diet coke, eat KFC, tweet, watch TV, and play golf. He doesn't have the intellectual capacity to do anything in the Oval Office. Who is making the decisions? Is it Pence? A lot of the fundie stuff that is being implemented fits his MO. Scary stuff.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Scary question that needs to be asked....
yonder
(9,679 posts)constant presence, usually just behind 45, would suggest that.
leftieNanner
(15,173 posts)Wormtongue! And Donald would acquiesce just like King Theoden did in his diminished state.
H2O Man
(73,627 posts)Thank you for this.
elleng
(131,176 posts)Theyre operating an ongoing smash-and-grab on all the policy wishes theyve fondly cultivated since 1981. Having a president* who may not be all there and, as such, is susceptible to flattery because it reassures him that he actually is makes the heist that much easier.'
quartz007
(1,216 posts)While suffering dementia he was able to:
> Get the largest tax cut for the wealthy passed
> Got out of Paris accords which is a environmental disaster
> Got out of TPP which hurts trade
> Got rid of ACA mandate which will throw millions off of health insurance
> Restrict immigration
> Increase military spending
He must be stopped and stopped soon!
Best hope is elections in Nov 2018.
Unless Mueller comes up with something.
Hekate
(90,846 posts)...decades, and as long as Trump can still scrawl his name and hold up the results like a proud kindergartener, they will prop him up.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)if it benefits the billionaire owners of the Republican Party, benefits Trump-Putin, and hurts the middle class and poor.
MFM008
(19,821 posts)Around not knowing what he's doing.
What can be undone will be undone and he will take his rightful place as the very worst ...the pinacle of worst in the history of worsts.
Worst person in the world.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Well written. I have gone through it also with a family member.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Americans need to be very concerned
Wednesdays
(17,439 posts)Concerned that this will be tRump's get out of jail free card. Not just for tRump, but for the entire cabal.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Trump's dementia/Mental state may very well be as you said in the end - his "Get out of Jail Free" Card....
Wonder what all the handlers and enablers think their "Get out of Jail Free" Card is....that Trump is the one who orchestrated it all and they were all just "following orders"?
shanny
(6,709 posts)summer_in_TX
(2,762 posts)it seemed to me that one possible explanation was he sensed he was in the presence of someone who could not handle a more complex level of questioning. Or if it wasn't the complexity, that he was reacting like someone trying to fend off a rage that would prevent him from being banned and having his access cut off. Pierce's observation fits either or both explanations.
A professional reporter should have drilled down, but it could be he knew that would have been ineffective.
As it was, his approach did get Trump to continue talking and being self-revealing.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Other than being in a persistent vegetative state, that is?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The Times published its 30-minute, impromptu interview from West Palm Beach, Fla., where the president has been staying over the holidays, on Thursday night.
Reaction on social media by others in the news business was swift.
"Im sorry but given how few interviews Trump does this was a complete waste of 30 minutes," ................
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Hekate
(90,846 posts)...by the Mad King was extremely revealing of his mental state. Policies have nothing to do with it.
Any challenge to this demented old man would have resulted in his bellowing to end the interview, he likely would have called for security to eject the offender, and could have had the notes and recording confiscated as well. As it was, the reporter has a transcript that paints a devastating picture of a man in dementia.
The people I'd like to see challenged at every turn are his spokespersons and enablers. Imagine the look on Sarah's face when read a quote from the transcript and asked "How does the staff manage his obvious dementia? What is the Cabinet going to do about it?"
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,150 posts)Supposedly he will have a physical first of the year. We need to know. We don't need another president with this disease.
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)based on anecdotes from his family.
I don't think he's suffering from early altzheimers. I think he's very tired, in great stress from Mueller, deeply insecure because he's so profoundly unqualified and uninformed.
I also think there's an strong element of acting. He's an actor, very talented charlatan and BS artist, able to switch from warm and charming to a cold douchebag in one sentence. I've seen that ability in interviews.
Playing dumb is a very useful tactic. It lowers resistance and gets sympathy. I thought he couldn't read after seeing a deposition from 2016. When asked to read from his own contract, he couldn't make out words; sat there for 15 minutes pretending he couldn't read. He reads just fine. It was bullshit. I've seen his sad little boy victim demeanor in interviews too. Its highly manipulative.
I would believe he's on medication for anxiety, or a stimulant, that may put him in a temporary fog. But in action, Trump seems very calculating.
He "seemed" more articulate in old interviews. But he was just talking the same shallow babble as now. If someone could reference any interview where he exhibits see real substantive,informed brainpower, or real knowledge of a topic, let me know.
This interview from 1987. His answers are as superficial as now.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,496 posts)It's very likely - considering his life-long unhealthy habits - that he takes a number of meds for heart disease. Friends of mine his age take them and they produce highly sedative effects along with mental laziness. However, he is old enough to be experiencing a normal degree of mental degradation (forgetfulness, occasional confusion, etc.) as well.
We also have to remember this is a man totally out of his environment and he has very little knowledge of the workings of government. However, a narcissist can never admit to any shortcomings. He's also not accustomed to the levels of stress this job entails and he could be on meds for that, too.
Unfortunately, we probably will never know the truth about his physical condition unless he completely fails in some way (heart attack, stroke, etc.). I would bet that any physical exam he has will be kept completely under wraps like his tax returns.
extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)He could be suffering from some sort of early dementia, or he could just be a huge asshole out of his depth. From what I read, he has no skills outside self promotion. Even when he was a young "builder" he had other people do the work. After that he just slapped "Trump" on everything and sold the brand. Whatever the case, he is totally unfit to be President. And you are right, he exhibits no in depth knowledge of anything.
Journeyman
(15,042 posts)Thanks for posting. Quite informative.
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)stupid, smugly lazy type of leader, with a swirl of crooked corrupt aides surrounding that leader, a bunch of times.
At least as far back as Warren G. Harding. Raygun, Quayle, li'l bush, tRump.
SOP from Standard Oil, IMO.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)All other 16 repugs running were against tRump,
is what I recall. Especially Jebbie, teddy and Kasich.
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)The way I see it, Infighting between factions or individuals over 'who's in charge' doesn't preclude a commonality in aims or characteristics.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)The House and Senate Republicans KNOW he is dangerous. They reason to themselves that all they have to do is flatter him and they will get their agendas fulfilled. At the same putting the country in danger
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Gothmog
(145,631 posts)amcgrath
(397 posts)It also leaves the republicans with an excuse for their backing of him during the election and their support afterwards.
To all those who claim Altzheimers is the reason for Trumps behaviour, I simply ask, during what period or during which era, was Trump suitable to hold any public office, let alone "commander in chief"
Was it in the Vietnam era when he continually dodged the draft using dubious means?
Or has it been in the decades since, where he has been found guilty of racial discrimination in letting of his properties?
Perhaps it was his dodgy dealings and multiple bankruptcies as a property tycoon, where he used bankruptcies to stiff numerous contractors, businesses and partners, forcing many out of business?
Was it during the years when Trump was behaving inappropriately towards his pageant contestants?
Was it when he managed to bankrupt his casino?
His ex-wife claimed battery and rape until a final divorce settlement silenced her.
Over a dozen women have also come forward with claims of rape or assault.
Was he a suitable candidate for president when he campaigned to have the death penalty reintroduced to New York, to enable the execution of the Central Park rapists who were later proven innocent?
Was it when he insulted and abused residents living around his building of a Scottish golf course?
Was it when he was syphoning money from his "charities" to enrich himself?
Was it when he was calling women pigs, or claiming they were too ugly for him to have wanted to assault?
Was it when he was calling Mexicans rapists and criminals?
Was it when he spent years trying to persuade people that Obama was an illegitimate president? questioning his nationality or telling lies about his college achievements?
I could continue, but please, those claiming altzheimers, just point to the moment in Trumps life when he was fit to serve, or when his candidacy was one that any politician who cared about the country could get behind?