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cilla4progress

(24,776 posts) Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:46 PM Dec 2017

Founding fathers were wrong

what an unimpressive democracy we have that a racist criminal can be installed and remain as head of our national government.

Must be so disappointing to aspiring democracies around the world.

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Founding fathers were wrong (Original Post) cilla4progress Dec 2017 OP

I disagree.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #1

If they hadn't fucked up with the dumbass Electoral College in the first place... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #2

We can amend the Constitution to make the election of the president a direct Sophia4 Dec 2017 #4

While True. . . ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #9

There is a flaw in the process that allows someone like Trump to be elected in a democracy! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #3

It was a 1st draft. maxsolomon Dec 2017 #5

You do understand they were racists? NCTraveler Dec 2017 #6

They were 'right' in their day... Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #7

Yep, it just needs some adjustments. I don't like Citizens United or the Electoral College. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #8

FarPoint

(12,447 posts)

1. I disagree....

Reply to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:49 PM

Dec 2017

Because we can elect a new President and learn from our errors

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)

2. If they hadn't fucked up with the dumbass Electoral College in the first place...

Reply to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:51 PM

Dec 2017

Trump wouldn't be president. And the only reason the Electoral College existed in the first place? To give more political power to slave states.

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)

4. We can amend the Constitution to make the election of the president a direct

Reply to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:55 PM

Dec 2017

vote. We should do that.

The votes of 3 million Americans (approximately) did not count in the 2016 presidential election because of the electoral college.

We changed the way we elect senators with an amendment to the Constitution. Let's change the way we elect the president.

Justice prevails. If you vote, your vote should count.

ProfessorGAC

(65,203 posts)

9. While True. . .

Reply to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 01:27 PM

Dec 2017

. . .it was actually put in place (at least in part) so voters couldn't do something dumb like elect a dumbass, know-nothing blowhard with an impossible populist message. Then we get to the present day, and the electors felt absolutely bound to political obligations and didn't do their duty.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)

3. There is a flaw in the process that allows someone like Trump to be elected in a democracy! n/t

Reply to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:52 PM

Dec 2017

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)

5. It was a 1st draft.

Reply to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:58 PM

Dec 2017

I like the Parliamentary System, where a vote of no-confidence can unseat a Prime Minister.

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)

6. You do understand they were racists?

Reply to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:59 PM

Dec 2017

They wouldn't have batted an eye at his racism. Now some of the other stuff, they would be horrified.

Wounded Bear

(58,719 posts)

7. They were 'right' in their day...

Reply to cilla4progress (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 01:01 PM

Dec 2017

and compromised mightily to give us the gov't system we have. Perhaps it is time to consider an adjustment, but I wouldn't scrap the system completely.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)

8. Yep, it just needs some adjustments. I don't like Citizens United or the Electoral College. n/t

Reply to Wounded Bear (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 01:05 PM

Dec 2017

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