Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:21 PM Jul 2012

The Conservative Onion

The other thing that I think needs clarification is that it’s wrong to think of conservatives as having a single argument for their preferred policies. What they offer instead is more like an onion, with layers inside layers; every time you strip away one excuse there’s another one inside.

Thus someone like Paul Ryan starts by claiming to be a deficit hawk. Push him really hard, however, on why in that case he advocates big tax cuts, and he’ll shift to arguing that big government (as opposed to not-paid-for government) is the real problem. (That’s also what happened in my UK debate on Newsnight.) But if you push hard on that, it turns out that there’s yet another layer: the claim that things like taxing the rich to help pay for social insurance are immoral, because people have a right to keep the wealth they created — which is why suggesting that no plutocrat is an island is heresy.

This onion structure is why you should never believe reasonable-sounding conservatives who say that you’re attacking a straw man, that “nobody believes” that wealth creators owe nothing to society. Oh yes they do — it’s usually hidden inside a couple of more socially acceptable excuses, but at their core Ryan and people like him believe that they’re characters in Atlas Shrugged.

By the way, who built the roads in Galt’s Gulch?

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/the-conservative-onion/
7 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The Conservative Onion (Original Post) phantom power Jul 2012 OP
I thought you meant there was a conservative version of The Onion Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #1
I thought the same thing. Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2012 #3
How would they do it? HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #4
You read my mind. Marie Marie Jul 2012 #5
All Onion, all the time ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #6
More like an Escher onion or mobius strip - when you think you are at the center, you NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #2
well said phantom power Jul 2012 #7

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
1. I thought you meant there was a conservative version of The Onion
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:29 PM
Jul 2012

and I couldn't imagine it even being funny at all.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
3. I thought the same thing.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:38 PM
Jul 2012

And I was thinking "How the heck can they pull that off and be funny? Conservatives are rarely funny."

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
4. How would they do it?
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:40 PM
Jul 2012

Conservatives have been putting satirists, comedians and joke writers out of business for 10 years now. You can't get much more apeshit-heaving, off-the-charts LOL than the modern Republican and their policies.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
5. You read my mind.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:09 PM
Jul 2012

(or I read yours..??). We all know that conservatives are only funny when they are not trying to be.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
6. All Onion, all the time
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 12:27 AM
Jul 2012

after so many years, they still have the ability to produce astonishingly stupid ideas and commentary.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
2. More like an Escher onion or mobius strip - when you think you are at the center, you
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jul 2012

are back at the top. It is a bizarro argument with no rational conclusion - just leads you in circles.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The Conservative Onion