Is a mens rights activist sabatoging Last Jedi review scores?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

It’s the enduring mystery of “Star Wars: The Last Jedi”: Do viewers actually hate it, or are its terrible online audience ratings — 54 percent and falling on Rotten Tomatoes — the work of hidden (sorry) forces?

There will be no more Jedi puns in this article. But there will be spoilers, and a journey to a tiny Facebook page whose leader rose to fame by claiming, somewhat incredibly, that he deployed a bot army to ruin the film’s scores in the name of male rights.

With very few exceptions, critics liked “The Last Jedi.”

It earned three out of four stars from The Washinton Post’s Ann Hornaday for its moments of humor and gravity — even if it did go on a bit long. More than nine in 10 critics approved of the film by Rotten Tomatoes’s count. And Metacritic’s average score was just a few points lower.

But so much for professional opinions.

Metacritic’s humble users gave the film a failing 4.8 out of 10. (“A repugnant film that shows absolutely zero respect for its legacy,” reads a typical nil-score review on the site.) And the popcorn class on Rotten Tomatoes splatted the movie with a 54 percent fresh rating, which The Post noted made for the site’s widest audience-critic gulf in the history of “Star Wars” films.

Deepening the mystery, The Post’s Michael Cavna wrote, real-life viewers polled at movie theaters overwhelmingly liked the film. And its ticket sales have been outstanding.

So some suspect that something strange is afoot with the online scores.

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[Iggo]

1. I'm having a blast watching YouTube reviewers losing their minds!

Subtract the fanboy butthurt and it's a really fun movie!

It even has a "Your Mom" joke. Come on!

[Initech]

15. I love it when those jackasses lose their shit.

Makes me want to watch it more!

[Iggo]

45. I was gonna wait a month 'til things calmed down.

But when I saw all the hate videos stacking up, I knew I had to go see it.

[sweetloukillbot]

26. I have a friend who wrote one of the recent SW novels

His book was review-bombed by alt-right/MRA/gater types because he included a gay character.

[hlthe2b]

2. How did so many men become so damned threatened by women/so insecure?

It's rhetorical, really, but I'm NOT pointing at the majority of men, at least most progressives.

[Wounded Bear]

43. Perhaps you should look more deeply into how authoritarian mindsets work...

[DavidDvorkin]

3. I hate the movie

Haven't seen it, don't intend to, haven't read any reviews. I just hate it because it's Star Wars.

[Adrahil]

21. WOW. May the Force be with you!!!! NT

[spiderpig]

4. Absolute love for the movie.

As the awesome Joe Bob Briggs used to say on Drive-In Theater, there's no plot to get in the way of the story.

Every Star Wars icon is in there but the kitchen sink. Will have to get the video to scan for evidence of a kitchen sink.

I cried every time Carrie Fisher was onscreen. I understand her beloved dog Gary Fisher is in the casino scene. Another reason to buy the video.

Anyway, don't believe the naysayers. It's all Obama's fault. (I keed - I keed)

[Loki Liesmith]

5. It was mediocre with lots of hanging plots

It’s watchable. But I’ll forget about it in a few weeks.

[underthematrix]

6. Money says the public loves the STAR WARS franchise

[RhodeIslandOne]

7. 54% sounds about right

Most people are split on the film.

I haven't seen it.

[clutterbox1830]

8. I'll be honest, I just saw this movie yesterday and hated it.

If you or someone else like it, good for them. To each their own.

For me, I couldn't get past all the plot holes and story writing. I know that all SW movies have plot holes, but this one had too many for me to enjoy the movie. Also I didn't like the story itself. It was just not a movie I liked, but will never bash anyone else for liking it.

[Dr. Strange]

24. I was very in-the-middle about it.

The Luke-Rey-Kylo-Snoke storyline was decent, especially towards the end of the movie. The other part of the plot was mediocre and full of holes. But the visuals were great, so it wasn't a total bust.

[clutterbox1830]

33. Only thing I like were the visuals.

I didn't like the storyline at all especially with the character of Luke and Snoke. I don't want to spoil anything, but they waste their potential characters. There are so many ways to make their characters better. After thinking longer about this movie, I hate it even more than I walked out of the theater.

[fallout87]

9. there may be a few of those

But Ive seen a lot of legit criticism that has nothing to do with casting. I thought it was mediocre at best.

[d_r]

10. It wasnt my favorite

[kimbutgar]

11. I saw it Saturday once of the best stories ever

Sad when it ended, but I could see how Twitler alt righters might not like it. Because Women and minority's were the main characters!

[0rganism]

12. dunno, 54% seems fair to me

saw it Saturday. thought it was better than "Force Awakens" and not as good as "Rogue One", it's a Star Wars movie not the frickin "Godfather" okay? if you go expecting a popcorn action flick, you'll come away satisfied. if you go expecting Satori from Yoda & co. you'll probably be disappointed. expectations will make or break this movie for you, but if you've seen all the others you're bound to have some so good luck. fwiw, the little kids in the theatre seemed to enjoy it. 6/10 for me.

[Madam Mossfern]

13. I think if you're a kid you'll love it.

I just got home from seeing it.

It's just by reading this thread that I realized that maybe it may be a bit to "liberal" for some people. Aren't we used to female heroes by now? I can see how those "mens rights" groups may hate it, they tend to be bigoted in many ways. Seeing a movie where the girl hero ends up hugging the black guy must make their blood boil.

I saw this movie as a set up for future movies.

[mythology]

29. I think this is a lot of it

The people who hold the original trilogy in high esteem aren't the target audience any longer. Maybe not even since Empire Strikes back. After that, it was more and more marketed to kids. But that original group, especially with the vast amount of non-movie stories, has developed a deep attachment that not much could measure up to. The Force Awakens was more or less a slightly different take episode 4, so it gets a pass. But this movie, particularly with the take on Luke Skywalker, is setting up for where Disney wants to take the movies going forward. Of course it's going to upset the hardcore fans because it's different.

[Madam Mossfern]

30. Yes I know

I saw the original Star Wars the day it came out. Since I'm pretty much of a Science Fiction fan, I was stoked to see it. Believe it or not I was disappointed because I was hoping that it would be hard core sci-fi, but alas, to me it was merely a fairy tale set in space.

My husband loved it!
It kind of grew on me.

[Achilleaze]

14. Wanktivists (R) having a digital pee party on the Jedi

How pathetically sad is that?

Ever since the republicans elevated Comrade Casino to be their deceitful & ignoble Draft-Dodger-in-Chief and their 'republican family values' role model, things have gone downhill. I'm just sayin...

[Initech]

16. If they think it's so bad, they should make their own billion dollar franchise.

After all, Lucasfilm made it. These guys are assholes complaining about it. Those who can't make it, complain about it.

[name not needed]

17. Maybe the movie just sucked.

[Adrahil]

22. Always a matter of taste, of course, But IMHO, it was awesome. NT

[Gothmog]

18. My family and I just saw the Last Jedi and we liked it

It was the second time for my son

[ProudLib72]

19. Same thing with Wonder Woman?

Haven't seen either movie, but it's fun to watch the furor over Hollywood's hidden agenda.

[Stand and Fight]

36. No. Not the same thing.

Loved Wonder Woman. Hated this movie. The two things are exclusive.

[ProudLib72]

37. Not personal opinion

The fact that some men don't like strong female characters. That's the similarity.

[shanti]

20. One opinion

My oldest son, a huge Star Wars fan, didn't like it at all. He told me that he thought that the film had a political agenda, and he hated the new Darth Vader.

[Adrahil]

23. Well the film is fairly feminist...

And does offer some social commentary on war profiteering.

I guess that's a political agenda.

[shanti]

27. My oldest and I

don't share the same political beliefs. I cringe to say this, but he voted for Chump.

[Adrahil]

42. Ouch! My sympathies! NT

[Codeine]

44. Star Wars has always had a political agenda.

Most art does.

[SharonClark]

25. The 6 teens and their fathers in our family loved it. I haven't seen any Star Wars after the first

two originals, not my cup of tea.

[edbermac]

28. No. Just a bunch of idiot trolls.

In the immortal words of William Shatner:

“GET A LIFE!”

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/trekkies/n9511?snl=1

[ansible]

31. Even Mark Hamil hated it and didn't even know the ending until the premier

He was in complete shock after watching the movie

[JesterCS]

32. I, personally, loved the movie

Yes it was a little weird for a Star Wars movie, but it was still great, and I understood the story. I just think some people had so many preconceived ideas what Luke Skywalker was supposed to be like from the old Legends cannon and when he didn't live up to that people just trashed the whole movie

[clutterbox1830]

34. I'm glad you like the movie.

I personally hated it and it goes beyond Luke story arc. Some people are not just going to like the same media as the next person. For example, I know a few friends that love Suicide Squad. I think that movie was horrible all the way through, but to each their own.

You could have taken Luke out of this movie and I still would not like this movie. There are so many plot holes and plot contrivance in it for my taste.

[Stand and Fight]

35. Not everything is a conspiracy. Good grief.

Those who hate the movie have very valid points. It’s simply not a very good movie and completely departs from established storylines and past character development.

[Blue_Adept]

39. You should see the last couple of years of anger over the franchise

The sheer hatred that was exposed when it was revealed there was a black stormtrooper

And then all the rage over how Rey could do what she did without any training, which is pretty much exactly like Luke in the original.

There is a very vocal minority that is louder than the rest and soaking up the space regarding it, which influences others and can set some serious pre-judgment about it.

[Gothmog]

38. The backlash against Star Wars: The Last Jedi, explained

I saw the Last Jedi yesterday (watching a movie on Christmas day is a tradition) and I liked it. I found this article to be interesting https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy

[BannonsLiver]

40. And $750 million later this alt-white clown is a bug on a windshield.

[Sancho]

41. I saw it, and I'm a bit of a Star Wars fan..

I don't see any mystery...it was OK, but not the best of the Star Wars movies.

It had too many "remake" scenes from previous movies, a confused plot, and retrenched battles. The basic Star Wars themes were there, and most effects were good.

If you weren't up on the genealogy of Star Wars characters, you'd likely be a bit lost. There was too much running around on an island, not enough of a love story, and some weird subplots.

[Initech]

46. Men's rights activists are the snowflake social justice warriors they claim to despise.