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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 03:38 AM Original message |
Thinking one should not have interfered in Libya is not "pro Gadhaffi" |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 03:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. K&R!!! n/t |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Not technically. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. By that logic you are promoting any and all things that you're not actively working against. |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
31. No. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. You said |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Such as? n/t |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Any and all (in your words "immediate) goings on that we're not actively fighting. |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Like Syria. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #69 |
83. Theoretically, I'm all for it. Practically, it's simply not possible. (Syria) |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
104. Practical reasons... |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
41. When it comes to immediate violence, not taking action IS promoting it |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. In that case you, I, and everyone else is quite the promoter of.. |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Did you even read what I wrote? |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:48 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Did you even read what I wrote? |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Actually the criterion is whether or not we're willing to stop it |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:04 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. I don't know of one intervention in history that was really "humanitarian"... |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:12 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. You're right, it won't happen. That's why we end up with Rwanda and Sudan |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
82. Dallaire's book has influenced me too. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Nonsense. There is no entitlement to military aid. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. "the revolutionaries", lol |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. So is Hillary Clinton since she pushed for this intervention |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. The daily Libyan Revolution thread has video of the convy meaning to raze Benghazi. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
106. To be honest, me either. Then again, you and I still have compassion for the plight |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
24. So countries should involve themselves in another countries internal affairs if it is on the basis |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Look at the Ivory Coast. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Good points. I see no distinction between moral or humanitarian grounds. I think they are the same |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Yeah, but people still cannot appreciate the level of intervention, and how the revolutionaries act. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. They do not need troops because air support is significant. As for your conclusion, no one really |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. All the air support is doing is ridding Gaddafi of his west-provided munitions and tech. |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
71. Compass malfunction. |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. After the Holocaust and Rwanda, I think we know the answer to that question. n/t |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. The Holocaust was NOT an internal affair. hitler invaded other countries, so that does NOT fall |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. German concentration camps were very much an internal affair |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I never said it was acceptable for a dictator to massacre its own people. The |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. You're asking the wrong question |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. You are not rude, and that is an excellent question. I do believe that there are several reasons |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I agree with 2 and 3, but I have to disagree with oil |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
34. Quite! n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
102. The siimple fact of not being a relative of Ghadafi doesn't make anyone a revolutionary |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Ah... |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. No, it is not hard at all, in fact, it is very easy. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Do you have evidence of a popular revolt in North Korea? |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Maybe there would be one if we offered them weapons. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No doubt they would like to see him go. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
103. That a new state would be formed is beyond possibility now. The best we can hope for |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
78. Offer weapons? Are you serious? I read one post where you claimed you |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Do you have evidence that we will start bombing North Korea |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It's highly unlikely the world would do shit if there was a popular uprising there. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:18 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Just as it can deal with a whole bunch of people uncritical of tyrants. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
79. If China turned on North Korea, the country would have issues. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Not technically? Not in reality either. Because someone has a position which believes that one |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
44. I will note... |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:02 AM Response to Reply #44 |
62. I suspect it has more to due with the Chinese involvement in the Sudan, however, you are |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
98. So we intervene in Libya but not Syria? |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-02-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #98 |
108. The Libyans... |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's only a matter of time until Mr. Obama puts Troops in there.... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
80. The anti-war crowd's nuke. "It is going to spin out of control" nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Why would the "anti-war crowd" want a nuke? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. It did "spin out of control" and continues to do so, if I've understood your reference. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
4. Accepting the reality of the situation and backing the revolutionaries is not "pro-war." |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. So then one is a supporter of Kim Jong Ill if one doesn't go to war against North Korea? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. If Kim Jong Ill has a popular uprising against him and chose not to help, the position is... |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. I guess the US is pro-Syria |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:40 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I post regularly on Syria. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Also pro-Chinese, pro Sudanese, etc., etc., etc. /nt |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
72. So your argument is... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:10 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. If the "right thing" applied to countries with no oil or something elese we'd want you'd have a poin |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #72 |
89. Are we doing the right thing? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:42 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I've done all I can. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Who are you calling Stalinists? Someone who believes we should not involve ourselves in another |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I've seen known Stalinist apologist sources posted here against Libya. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. It is my belief that if you want to argue the merits of your position it is far better to debate |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:09 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Unfortunately for that argument international law no longer follows that convention. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
87. Oh wow, 1953 McCarthy era talk is back! Re Re Retro! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. No, it means that person believes that we should deal with our own internal problems. By that logic |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:44 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Isolationism is bullshit. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Not wanting to involve yourselves in another countries INTERNAL affairs IS NOT isolationism |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 05:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Yes, with the advent of R2P, it is. |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
70. there was no genocide in Kosovo but I don't expect you to believe me so google FBI genocide kosovo |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 06:09 AM Response to Reply #33 |
65. Deleted message |
JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
91. No, it would be effectively "don't walk cluelessly into global disasters." |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
105. Yes it is. Pro-war means getting involved, anti-war means accepting the reality of the situation... |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:06 AM Response to Original message |
10. yep. i can't believe it, either. the mind boggles. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
13. US neo-cons urge Libya intervention (lest we forget) |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Pretty much anything those characters are for... |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
14. "Its almost like it is coming straight from the Bush propaganda machine" That is because... |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
17. That is outrageous, and is without merit. There are two basic arguments that can be used regarding |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
73. Killing of a member of |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
74. I think we should have stayed out. I think my position is pro-sanity, not pro-Gadhaffi. nt |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
75. Not getting involved is immoral and outright evil. nt |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Namecalling against Pacifists! It feels like 1969 ! Timewarp! |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. Lol. What is creepy is that people still buy into this. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
101. Oh YES!!!! |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
76. K & R |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
81. 'you're with us or you're with _______!!!!' where have i seen that steaming pile before? |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #81 |
96. Nope. It is sickening really. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
85. It's the same 'ol same 'ol. You're either with us or against us. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #85 |
97. Yep. It is sad how the left has been co-opted by the neocons on this issue. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
86. I think that's fair though, since it was also fair to label all opponents of the Iraq war |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #86 |
92. If you oppose Hitler, you must be pro-Stalin. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
93. It's often claimed that it is. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
94. I agree. It is like bush-era propaganda. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
99. The reality of the situation is more complicated than the knee-jerk pro and against folks want... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
100. "like it is coming straight from the Bush propaganda machine" |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-01-11 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
107. Just like thinking we should have stayed the tell out of Iraq |
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