In retrospect, wouldn't it have been better if Charles had just

[BillyJack]

gone with Camilla in the first place? and not married Diana at all?

I have new found respect for Edward VIII, who followed his heart - abdicated - and didn't put everyone through the dog-and-pony show which only ended up hurting everyone much, much more.

Charles doesn't have much of a shot at being a Monarch for long....even if he ever gets there....and ppl dislike him & Camilla immensely b/c of their machinations to 'get together'.

In hindsite, Charles should have said to QE II, Mom, I love Camilla....I want to be her forever tampon....the monarchy toss goes to Andrew. *catch*

[KittyWampus]

1. Edward was rushed off the freaking stage due to his Hilter/Nazi admiration

So I wouldn't go off admiring him too much.

[Ken Burch]

28. True. And the fact that his decision put his brother(Elizabeth's father) on the throne

and probably shortened the man's life due to the stress(Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, who had to watch George VI die slowly, referred to Wallis Simpson as "the woman who killed my husband") probably had a lot to do with Elizabeth II's fixation with enforcing the "no marriages to divorced people" dictum(a rule which she enforced even on her sister, Princess Margaret, making her give up Group Captain Townsend and end up in a loveless marriage to Anthony Armstrong-Jones instead). In what looks like the dark ending to a real-life Northern European folk tale, ALL the marriages of Elizabeth's kids ended in...you guessed it, divorce.

Those German royals have a tough time letting shit go.

[Bunny]

34. Nope, not all her kids are divorced.

Edward and Sophie are still married, the first marriage for both of them.

[Ken Burch]

36. Well, it's early days with them

Still, all the others...

I think the ghost of Princess Margaret is out there laughing maniacally about the whole thing...though sometimes she gets confused and accidentally shouts "you will NEVER be mistress of Mandalay!"

[kestrel91316]

2. Camilla, having been married previously, could not have had the church

wedding and therefore could not have produced the heir to the throne, IIRC. Somebody correct me if I'm mistaken.

[BillyJack]

4. Yeah, I know.....but isn't that where Charles should have said

I love her....she's the one for me! Consequences be damned (for Me - Charles). Instead of Diana having to die - get out of the way.

Charles is a coward. Everyone knows it. That's among the reasons ppl don't like him.

[kestrel91316]

19. He did his DUTY: he produced a legal heir to the throne.

I don't fault him for putting that first - it's what was expected of him. It's just unfortunate about the real life human consequences to such an approach to life.....

[LisaL]

21. Diana didn't "have to die" to get out of the way.

When she died they were already divorced.

[Ken Burch]

27. He was only in his Twenties at the time and probably didn't have the guts to defy Mum yet.

n/t.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

29. He was 32 when he married Diana.

[Ken Burch]

30. I was talking about when he and Camilla split up.

That was several years prior to the marriage.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. Sorry for misunderstanding.

[Ken Burch]

35. No big.

n/t.

[gauguin57]

3. I've read that Camilla got tired of waiting for Charles, and married someone else.

So, in 1981, because the bride of the future king had to undergo a gynecological exam (from Royal Gyno Dr. PINKNEY (I kid you not)) to prove she was a virgin (so they could be sure any kids were true heirs) ... Charles had to find himself a virgin. I also read that Camilla and a couple of her buddies hand-picked Diana FOR Charles.

The whole business was disgusting.

Thank goddess times have changed.

[BillyJack]

5. Yes, I think that's correct.

Sickening, isn't it?

Diana was a beautiful FULLY USED Patsy for HRH Charles.

I really, really wonder how William & Harry think of their father. They are very smart boys/men.

There has got to be a LOT of damage/resentment.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. I think the damage and resentment in the relationship

only applies to you...........

I'm sure the Princess Diana'a sons have a loving, supportive relationship with their father, Prince Charles...........I'm sure that you're very disappointed by this!

[BillyJack]

10. No....impossibly wrong.

I have no relationship with Charles or William or Harry.

I am just speculating AS A HUMAN, who knows SOME facts. And based upon those facts raise questions.


YOU, on the other hand said:

"I'm sure the Princess Diana'a sons have a loving, supportive relationship with their father, Prince Charles"

How can you be "sure" of that???? Geez, even if you were William or Harry you couldn't be "sure of that".

[JVS]

7. Diana a virgin, yeah right.

Not buying.

[KittyWampus]

9. Just curious, but why not? Do you think all young women have had sex before marriage?

[emilyg]

12. I'm buying. Lots of virgins in

the world.

[frazzled]

8. You admire someone who gave the Nazi salute and admired German fascism?

Edward and Mrs. Simpson were hardly people to admire.

[BillyJack]

11. I only admired his abdicating to follow his heart & not the throne.

that is all.

People are not black/white good/bad. We are all a mixture of thoughts, feelings, traditions, prejudices....lovely shades of gray.

Honesty is the most respected. Because from "being honest" we can begin to understand....and from there we can go forward HONESTLY into the future.

[frazzled]

32. That's like saying you admire Newt Gingrich for leaving his sick wife

to "follow his heart" to some new dame. That's ridiculous. Love is not always redemptive (viz.: Sid and Nancy).

But thank goodness The Duke of Windsor did not keep the throne: history would have been decidedly different, and Britain might have become an Axis, fascist country.

[murielm99]

13. I wonder what would have happened if, after Diana

produced her two fine sons, she and Charles had sat down together and reached an agreement. They could have decided to stay married for state reasons, but lived totally separate lives. I think they should have done that. It has been done before. They both could have had royal duties, friends, lovers, etc.

Charles and Elizabeth both were raised to follow protocol. I don't think any of us can understand the pressures that led Charles to marry poor Diana.

Will Charles ever be king? I guess we will have to wait and see. His family members seem to be long-lived. I am amazed by his father, Prince Philip. I can't believe he is ninety years old. He seems to be very alert and healthy.

[HipChick]

15. Charles and Camilla aren't popular...there was no cheers for them

when they pulled up at the wedding...and the Queen seem to ignore Camilla..

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. Don't be so sure that "people" dislike Charles and Camilla

Maybe the younger people who overly romanticized Diana do, but I see a generational split here.

When the news came out that Charles and Camilla were getting married, the older people I knew (aged fifty or older) said things like, "He finally got it right," "Good for them."

The younger people said, "What a betrayal of Diana."

While waiting around to become king, Charles has gotten involved in various charities and is deeply interested in historic preservation, environmentalism, and organic farming.

I don't romanticize Edward VIII. He most likely was a Nazi sympathizer, and Wallis definitely was.

[HipChick]

16. Charles was never popular...

Hitching himself to Camilla hasn't improved that..

His son's on the other hand..

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. I bet he'd not as unpopular as Princess Anne

She seems to have dropped out of sight, and she had a reputation for being rather ill-tempered when she was younger.

[HipChick]

18. Her own martial problems keep her out of the limelight...

Seeing as she used to date Camilla's ex...

[LeftishBrit]

20. Agree

As regards Edward, however, it's a very good thing he did abdicate. Not because of whom he chose to marry; but because he had some pro-Nazi sympathies.

[LisaL]

22. Regardless of the lack of success of their marriage,

they produced a heir and a spare. If Charles and Camilla got to having children back then, I am sure these children would be quite different and likely not an improvement.

[inna]

23. why are you so sure? :shrug: just curious. sounds like an odd thing to say,

i'm just trying to understand your logic here.



"likely not an improvement."


because you don't like Camilla? :shrug:

[Hannah Bell]

24. she was 35 in 1981. if he was going to marry her, he should have done it years earlier

than he married diana.

[Blue-Jay]

25. If I had a bag full of 'fucks', not one would be given to this topic.

[Ken Burch]

26. Probably. And if Diana were here, I suspect she would agree.

But Camilla felt obligated to reject his proposal because she had(gasp)actually HAD SEX!!!. I assume that, with Kate, they finally gave THAT particular demand a rest...since nobody thinks she's been chaste to my knowledge.

Diana was, let's face it, history's last sacrificial virgin.

[lame54]

33. Diana was the classiest member of that family

[RandomThoughts]

37. I don't have problem with the couple.

Although it would have been classic if they would have eloped.

Again the problem is many are challenged with the delusion of being 'special' and one of the delusions is by blood lines.

So propagating that in culture does much damage, since then some give dictators under that delusion, and that includes many in aristocracy, some idea that they could be correct.


What if you did this, declare yourself King over some group, and by that declaration claim to rule them.

That's the argument of Royalty. Also argument of master race, and any rule by thought of blood lines. And I don't think most of that family thinks that way, but letting people propagate it helps others in that delusions.

Then if they don't do what you say, you can claim some right to punish them or extort them.


That is how much of aristocracy, and the private sector is. Although some admit they are anarchist and don't care, many use delusions of superiority to do the same things as the anarchist that don't care.

So if you take that huge group in delusion, and show them what they are doing, some will accept they don't care, some will move to better thoughts for more of society, but they wont have a delusion as an excuse.


There are many people in many positions that do many good things, but that is not the point. Since the 'good' they do is based on what they think is important, and if under delusion, that can be deluded to do almost anything, since those delusions can remove empathy.


But anyways, I am due beer and travel money and many experiences.

[Stevenmarc]

38. No, not really, their children would have looked like Shetland Ponies

and this wedding would have had to been held under the cover of darkness.

[Ken Burch]

39. The commemorative plates would have cracked on their own.

n/t.