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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:03 AM Original message |
The capitalist system is broken and needs repair... |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. And they're controlling the seeds we plant |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. The capitlaist system doesn't need to be repaired. It needs to be destroyed. |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. +1 You beat me to it. nt |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Ideally, you are correct. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Agreed, but that can't be our long term solution. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. But is it realistic? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. That is the big question. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Revolution does not have to be grand. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Well that's the way revolutions usually start. BUT |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Not always ... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. True. Or military dictatorship and Empire......... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Certainly there was no MIC to be concerned about -- Gaddafi is probably better armed than |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I agree. I even overlooked it myself....... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. True -- and if you reflect upon French Revolution -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Obama betrayal of New Deal is waking up Americans -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. One thing to think about is how battles for human rights have OVERTURNED economic controls that |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. +1 n/t |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. What you said, wolf! |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. "The capitalists look to destroy their competitors." |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Who are the "competitors of capitalism"? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. white_wolf seems to be one |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Good luck to white_wolf! |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I just noticed that destroy was used both ways |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. There are not 4 discrete answers to the parable. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Other capitalists -- and anyone trying for saner, better products -- ie.., green energy!! |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
43. Well capitalists not only want to destroy their capitalistic |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Right, and the US Government only started to expand |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. The concept is monopoly control -- capitalism provides for one owner -- !! |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. If I may wolf.................... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Tell that to AAs who overturned Segregation, Inc. -- to Homosexuals who are winning human rights ... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Oh, I think that AAs, women, and in reality anyone.......... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Dangerous, of course -- but are you saying it's not worthwhile to fight for human rights???? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. No, no, no! Of course, you fight for human rights........ |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Capitalism is an intrinsic part of ALL of these human oppressions ... !!! |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Well sure it is. I would even say that capitalism is |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. Well, Bibical slavery and other such concepts of exploitation existed long before capitalism... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. Exactly ... !! Sign in beauty parlor the other day -- We take ONLY cash and personal checks!! |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. WIN |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
61. What we also have to recognize about capitalism is that it doesn't stand alone .... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. +1 The capitalist system is working exactly as it is supposed to. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
89. There could only be one system that would be worse than what we have today |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Agree -- and watching TORTURE re-introduced by our government is another signal .... |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. I wouldn't worry so much about torture |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Right wing follows old tried and true patterns -- simply improving on them -- |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
3. Capitalism "functions" in fits and starts. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
53. What you're saying is ... "You can't steal from everyone every day of the week" ... ??? |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. marx used the term zig-zag. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
92. Did Marx call capitalism fascism? |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. marx was pre-fascist.. the modern death state had not been created |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Fascism traces back to Northern Italy much earlier than Marx .... |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
7. What system is there that is immune to the greed virus? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. Decentralized power which would result in |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
55. Actually, it's about violence -- cause without violence, greed cannot have its way ... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
64. There is a significant difference between immunity from greed and being predicated on avarice |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Yes there is also a significant difference between |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Exactly right. Playing into greed systemically is foolhardy, at best. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. DEFINITELY suicidal......... |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. You have that right! |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
101. Monetary systems create greed. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
11. Which mass cultural, social, political, or economic system doesn't |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Are you talking about dictatorships or...? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I don't know of too many places on the world where |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. So, can we assume that you believe captialism is the greatest system..? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I'm not a fan of any mass system |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. So you are not a fan... |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. Fixing it makes the problem bigger |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
54. OK, I think here I can partially agree.......... |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
21. "the present system is one of the worst in our history"? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Our present capitalist system... |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. our present capitalist system? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The present capitalist system with low taxes or no taxes.. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. ^+1,000 |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
26. It's Not Fixed...It's Modified... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. This is the very reason that we need an......... |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. an international party is a bad idea |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. I disagree. The ONLY way to combat international |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. i think a fifth international already came and went |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I've never heard of a fifth international........ |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. I did a little checking and |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
31. Capitalism is not "broken" - it is functioning exactly as it always has, |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Something that the apologists never seem to admit |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Denial - it's not just a river ... nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
32. Including control over seeds and water -- this is fascist control from cradle to grave ... !!! |
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StarburstClock (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
39. Capitalism is only as good as its regulation |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. People are broken. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Not so correct.......... |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
79. Soooo that makes the person broken. You said it yourself. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. As explained above, it's the difference between SYSTEMIC |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Agreed the source is the first thing to attack however |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. The source is the system...... |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. No no no. The source is man. Greed is one of the seven |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
58. No,it is working precisely as it's supposed to |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
68. Capitalism is working exactly how the Capitalist Ruling Class want it. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. +1 |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. ....a fair, just Capitalism is a theoretical creation |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
69. One of the biggest problems is the fact that the capitalists are much smarter than their feudal |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #69 |
95. Voting is a charade. The 2 party system is a charade |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Yeah. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. We don't want to think too long on that one... |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Monopoly, not just a game anymore |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
83. It needs repair as a rabid dog needs a vet. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
102. No budget for repairs. Sorry, they spent it all on Bentleys for their kids. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
103. March harder |
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