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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:25 PM Original message |
Why the breakup of the U.S. is inevitable. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:28 PM Original message |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. predictably, sadly unrecc'd without discussion, of course, but it would seem environmental realities |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. There's always a popular argument that smaller countries cannot make it on their own. |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. Actually, environmental realities call for abolition of national boundaries, not adding them |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm all for Cascadia but would settle for being Baja British Columbia..if they'd have us. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Exactly! How many powerfu countries have lasted forever? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The problem for empires is that they become dependent on their colonies. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. We were a colony once... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. Why do you think Sons of The Enlightenment would want another Switzerland? |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Maybe not necessarily a Swiss model but.... |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. we have yet to resolve the national question |
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Dread Pirate Roberts (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Fracture Seems Inevitable |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I think of all the places that will be an example of Balkanization. |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. i don't think the yahoos will inherit the SE |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. save the Northwest Tree Octopus |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
81. Bwwwa aha hahahahahahaha. ROFLMAO! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. Sadly, you may be right. |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. I predict states will split up before this happens |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
15. Here's an Amazon link to Naylor's book "Secession". |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
16. We don't need more countries, we need one world. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. The prospect of One World Government scares me! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
107. Scares me too. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. What color gray tunic would you prefer? We have slippers in eight shades of black... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Sounds like something out of a Rand novel. n/t |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #44 |
94. Soon the "centrist dems" will like that too. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
92. Yes, godforbid this gawdy fluorescent air-conditioned nightmare should go under. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Cascadia will always be at war with Oceania! |
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Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. If the U.S. breaks up, who fills the resulting power vacuum on the world stage? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. As environmental issues becoming more overwhelming, it will be harder & harder for a new "Empire" |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
19. Not. Happening. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Right this minute, no. Give it awhile. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. How long? Decade? Century? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. well, "soon" in geologic terms, absolutely. As for human timeframes, it depends on the eco-spasming |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It also depends how quick things deteriorate and escalate too. (n/t) |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. So not soon. Ok. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Not behind rose-colored glasses, no. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Hate to say it but.... |
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mountainlion55 (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. Californian wants a divorce from red state ignorance |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. California could strike out on its own if it wanted to. |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Please, please stop calling it "Cali". It only encourages others. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. I've never heard a Californian call it Cali |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. I've lived here all my 42 years |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. No it isn't. Stop making stuff up. |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #69 |
111. seems to be you that is making stuff up |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. I live and work in the Bay Area. |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:25 AM Response to Reply #73 |
112. from my 42 yr California native perspective it is true |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
100. So is hella... |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:27 AM Response to Reply #100 |
113. yep |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
74. Cali came out of the Southern California hip hop culture. |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
55. Oh man, no kidding! Feeling kinda guilty about it, but certainly feeling it. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
76. RE: apology. That's OK. Most of us redstate DUers......... |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
65. Would you also like a divorce from the racist, overwrought, |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
117. Funny how when people in Texas say things about splitting from the union |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
28. We are so greatly divided I can't see this country staying United for more than 50 years tops |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I am going to give it maybe 15-25 years. (n/t) |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. What I feel sorry for is those who are liberal who live in conservative states |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
118. We were more divided in the 60s |
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devils chaplain (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
32. I used to think this could never happen... |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. If you were to ask me in 1985 if the U.S. will break up, I would have said No. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
34. We might split up into a few countries rather than 50 countries |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. It wouldn't be 50 countries. |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. As someone from MN |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
37. The map. |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. the new maps |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. It looks like you really want to make this about race. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. All and all, it shouldn't be about race. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
41. Does Alaska get to be part of Cascadia |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Alaska is Alaska. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Well, I'm all for that. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
50. Oh lordy, please. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. The Founding Fathers were considered loony too! (n/t) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. +1. Where do people get these ideas? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. My guess is home schooling a/o bad parenting |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #61 |
80. Ah.....no I went to public school and I went to college |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:14 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Your news about George Kennan makes me sad. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Well to be honest these things are only starting. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #88 |
116. I hope your movement fails. It's a bad idea |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
53. Here's some other "broken up USA" map |
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RevStPatrick (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
56. I am reminded of two books... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
57. arrgh. there is no second vermont republic movement |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #57 |
79. There is a Second Vermont Republic movement |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:45 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. No, there isn't. I live here. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. If that's so.... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
108. oh for pity's sake. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. By this time next year... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
106. hey, great! welcome . |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #106 |
115. Thanks |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. Respected Russian analyst's prediction of the dissolution of the United States |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
60. I don't see it. Not in terms of red v. blue states anyway. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
62. The only things that really keep this whole thing together are taxes and cheap energy |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
63. Should your prophesy come true, I do see an upside. |
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shayes51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
64. Well, I'll have to move.......... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
66. While the US could very well break into many smaller states, |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
67. The only way I see a breakup happening would be if the federal government were destroyed. |
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grillo7 (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
86. I agree. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
68. We shouldn't ignore the actual physical destruction of the planet, states, oceans, environment .... |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
70. You guys are nuts. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
71. Fuck. I thought I had sigs turned off. |
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LearnedHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
75. May I play devil's advocate here? |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. It won't be 50 different countries. It might be half a dozen different countries. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
77. States do not have a right to secede. Texas v. White, 1869 |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
83. A different time and a different situation (n/t) |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #83 |
110. Unless I'm mistaken, Supreme Court decisions don't simply expire |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
103. i believe the civil war settled the issue before the supreme court did |
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Zanzoobar (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
78. I only read your topic. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
89. This is one of the reasons my family is working towards a move to VT |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
90. The corporations won't allow it... |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. Yeah, their power will be divided. They won't like it. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
93. Why do you think the republicans want to eliminate the middle class (since 1985) |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Most Repubs. think in terms of the immediate advantage (raking in |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
95. well good luck with all of that |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
101. I say, bring it the fuck on! Sure, I'll have to move, but lets get this shit over with. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
102. To all you detracters and those who think it will never ever happen... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. sure the empire will end. no duh. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
104. Might I suggest Paul Kennedy's 'Rise and Fall of the Great Powers'? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
105. A fool's errand. Our military will squash us like |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
114. lol. the isolationist manifesto! |
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