I just turned 52. Paid into the system my whole life. So FUCK ME.

[Atman]

No matter. My friends a few years older than me will be covered. Suddenly, though, it looks like I have to scramble. Fortunately, I had my old man physical today, and passed with flying colors. No issues. I'm lucky...hopefully I'll still be able to get insurance after the GOP convinces Obama to pull the rug out from out under me. But I have plenty of friends my age who are taking all sorts of meds every day, have all sorts of normal old guy health issues. What about them?

C'mon, Obama. Wednesday night may be your last chance.

[Curmudgeoness]

1. Yes, fuck you. I don't understand how they expect someone

at age 54, 50, even 45, to be able to make plans for this. I sympathize completely. I am hoping that I will be in the "thank god I am lucky" group at 57 now. I don't bet on it, really. I have a feeling that they are intending on dismantling this by bits and pieces year after year. I also could be 65 and at that time they have virtually destroyed Medicare and Social Security.

All I know is that for the past several years I have realized that I will never be able to save enough money to matter. I am sure you realize that this is hardly possible too. But one thing to keep in mind, if enough people are truly hurt by a law, it can be changed. They may find that the consequences are greater than they expect. Or...maybe we will all revolt.

[mike_c]

13. I turn 56 in 19 days....

Shit shit shit....

[Curmudgeoness]

20. My way of looking at all of this is, fight like hell, and if you lose

anyways, you are not alone. Everyone is in the same boat. Not a good prospect, but still...there is always someone worse off in that boat. It is what it is. But never stop the fight.

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[missheidi]

16. My Dad's 49, and he pretty much said the same thing: "Fuck 'em!"

[TBF]

24. "Or...maybe we will all revolt"

That is the only chance we have.

[Curmudgeoness]

33. And we should start now, before changes are made.

How that revolt plays out, I don't know. But it will be much uglier the longer this goes.

[TBF]

61. Agree with everything you've said. It's very sad but I don't see any other way at this point. nt

[ProfessionalLeftist]

68. Under 55 here (but not young by any means) - there is NO WAY

to 'save' enough money at this age to make up the difference in what they're yanking from under us. I'm not sure there's any way period. Particularly when there's no jobs and certainly no jobs for 'old' people (over 35).

We're all fucked.

[w8liftinglady]

2. I'm 51 and used my entire 401K when I was sick,so fuck me,too.

Unbelievable.

[Imagevision]

3. Well at least your not alone...

[Pholus]

4. Notice how NOBODY ever calls the "raise the retirement age" crowd with employment stats.

Cripes, several more years of being "too expensive for your position" is just what you need to make your finances last until they toss dirt on you.

[Safetykitten]

5. From Lionsgate Films "The Fucked" Starring a whole shitload of us.

[Exilednight]

6. And yet the part will go to Tom Cruise who will make a few mil portraying us. Ironic. n/t

[wisteria]

+1 n/t

[Change has come]

52. LOL!

I don't know if I should laugh or cry. I'm 49. My partner spouse turns 48 this October.

[DeeJay]

7. Move over, let me squeeze into this boat

It sucks to be us.

[anarch]

8. well, see, we should all have had the good sense to be rich

then we'd have nothing to worry about!


Fuck us? Fuck the fucking fuckers who keep fucking us over.

[Citizen Worker]

17. God only chose a select few million to be rich. Unfortunately, that means most of us have been left

to pay for the rich being rich.

[M155Y_A1CH]

42. I suspect that God didn't choose them...

the devil did.
You do know what Jesus said about a rich man's chances for heaven?

[xmas74]

46. The rich don't like hearing that.

They're into the prosperity doctrine.

Biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

[indepat]

9. Wonder if someone will try to organize a 10-million-man march?

:shrug: :patriot:

[Atman]

11. Maybe, but the press won't cover it. They'll be covering 12 people at a Tea Bagger rally

:(

[LiberalEsto]

75. So true! nt

[MadMaddie]

10. Why can't we file a class action lawsuit of theft?

Okay, maybe it sounds stupid but think about this, working guys and gals like us are paying into the system, the Republicans are attempting to steal our money. Is it just me? WTF?

[malaise]

12. MoveOn and other progressive groups should create ads around this

reality -this truth is not getting enough airplay. This is no entitlement - you paid.

[Citizen Worker]

19. Don't expect much from MoveOn, they're merely a democratic party front group that serves up just

enough political rhetoric to keep us from forming an alternative political party.

[malaise]

58. FFS I'm tired of the divide and rule on this MB n/t

[Horse with no Name]

14. I'd like to have every cent that I've paid in back

That goes for that Medicare tax too.

[onehandle]

21. My Mom used to say things like that. Then Medicare paid for $500 grand of hospitalization for her...

...over a three month period.

But she kept saying things like that, so what can you do?

[Horse with no Name]

25. All well and good. She paid into it...she utilized it

She got her money's worth.

I've paid into it and will never see a penny of it.

My mother has paid into it and is still working and paying into it.

My Grandfather retired with a 50-year union Gold card so he paid into it from its inception.

So...we've all paid our way...I'm not paying for my relatives to use it--they have already paid into it themselves.

I'm just screwed.

[wisteria]

27. Yeah, we should be at least entitled to get what we paid in. n/t

[LiberalEsto]

76. plus the interest nt

[Atman]

15. Also notice...most of the bastards advocating this are OLDER.

The difference? They're already rich. This won't impact them at all. All they have to is apply the lube while we bend over. Kinda like part of my physical today.

[wisteria]

28. Of course, that is why they can push this without any concern. n/t

[Change has come]

53. There will be no lube.

This will be a dry fuck, with no friendly reach-around.

[Mnemosyne]

77. Really? Ya' think we'll get a lube with that, Atman? Kinda doubt it. n/t

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. Too bad you ain't a military contractor. You could name your own price. n/t

[Windy]

22. what the hell are you talking about! Read the budget.

You can go to it in PDF form. Type in Social Security in the search. There are NO CUTS to those receiving benefits! http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2012/assets/trs.pdf

[Horse with no Name]

29. "to those receiving benefits"

At the OPS age...it doesn't appear that he falls into that category...

[wisteria]

30. We are discussing those who would have been receiving them in the future. n/t

[Atman]

32. To those CURRENTLY receiving benefits

I watched one of the ass-clown architects of this plan try to play those word games this morning on tv.

If you are CURRENTLY receiving benefits, you won't be cut off. Otherwise...bend over. They said it themselves, not me.

[Marr]

50. Where the hell did you go?

You snarkily toss out that wordplay excuse and then evaporate when people call you on it?

[Change has come]

54. It all pays the same.

(did I say that out loud)?

[CantAffordBootstraps]

23. Turned 50 last week...

How can anyone plan when really we don't even know that much about. But lost job, 401, etc. But I will NOT BEND OVER!

:nopity:

[wisteria]

26. I am in this 50's group, lost my position and had to use my 401K to stay afloat.

Now, I have a position that pays less than my last one and I have to start all over saving again. I will never have enough to retire on and afford health care-so I guess I'm f*ked too.

[Horse with no Name]

31. What I had LEFT of my 401k AFTER the Wall Street fuckers used it to gamble with

I have a small 403B that I was looking at earlier. I figure I might as well get that today because tomorrow it might be gone.

I have no illusions anymore. I guess that I might just quit taking my asthma maintenance medications when I hit 65 if I am still in decent enough health--then perhaps I won't have to last too long without money to retire on or healthcare.

[Stinky The Clown]

34. All you can look forward to is getting fucked up and fucked over.

They don't give a shit about you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x876282

[LWolf]

35. I just turned 51.

Due to 4 family crises in my adult life, I have no safety net.

[tnlefty]

36. While your offer may be tempting, I'm married...

I'm older than you, but under the cutoff, and when I was becoming aware of the world around me, I asked the questions about the military spending in Viet Nam. I reminded my mother of the questions when she was trying back to Bush**'s wars, and she finally got it.

If we didn't spend so much money on wars, just imagine what we, the 'mythical little people' in this country could have. And if we hadn't bailed out the financial terrorists on Wall Street and the Banksters...we could have a great way of life.

The President needs to rethink his ideas about austerity, via the catfood commission, but I won't be holding my breath.

[mikehiggins]

37. us old folks ain't fooled

I doubt there is anyone out there collecting SocSec who beleives that only the youngun's are going to be affected by this "reform" crap.

If the politicians can take away benefits for folks in their 40's and 50's, what is to stop them from targeting the folks in the 60's and 70's.

Oh, that's right. It wouldn't be fair.

Like that even matters.

Change SocSec? Better to change Ryan and the rest of the vultures.

[kestrel91316]

38. I am 54 and have been paying in for 38 years, with another 16 or so to go.

54 years of hard work for not so much pay as a self-employed person, and I am COUNTING on that SS money to be there.

If it's not there and they screw me, I will take matters into my own hands. Read into that what you will.

[doc03]

39. According to the Republicans if you under 55 you have plenty

of time to adjust. :sarcasm:

[Mulhane]

41. It's all about bad choices and lack of planning

Like choosing to get old and feeble. Why didn't you plan better by becoming an amoral Wall Street financier instead of an engineer or teacher?

[flamingdem]

44. Better start working FIVE JOBS! nt

[woo me with science]

45. Heard a ridiculous, insulting segment on CSPAN the other day.

Some woman being interviewed was bemoaning the lack of saving among workers. Implied that people just don't do that because they don't consider it important enough. Kept saying things like, "We have to encourage people to save more."

They are fucking clueless.

[Ikonoklast]

63. "We'll cut your income every year, but why aren't you saving more?"

People that are living on the gravy train side of the economic equation have no freakin' clue. None.

[marew]

73. Exactly!!!

Real income has declined for what-- 30 years now-- along with taxes on the rich.

[JVS]

40. What happened?

[Atman]

64. Not sure who you're addressing, but nothing "happened" except a full physical.

My wife made me do it. LOL! She's a great woman, and like most men, I probably wouldn't have had the physical if she hadn't made the appointment. But while I was sitting there nekkid waiting for the doc to give me an anal probe, it really occurred to me how fortunate I am -- at the moment. I've got a job I love which provides excellent health insurance for both me and my wife, and even our son in college. Just as a side note, I work for the Democrats (not the party itself, a Democratic ad agency). But that's not going to protect me.

It's a good company, but I'm the oldest guy there. I could be laid off just like anyone else. My physical could have turned up something wrong. Then what? I was actually trepidatious about the physical for that reason alone...what if? What if I wound up with the proverbial "pre-existing condition?" At 52, it's pretty unlikely I'll land another sweet job with great bennies. But at least I could do something else, hopefully get on my wife's insurance, and know there'd be Medica...oops. Not if the GOP has it's way. I'd get a voucher and a kick in the ass.

It's madness what the GOP is doing, and they're doing a fantastic job, along with their co-conspirators in the media, selling this bullshit as truth. A couple of years ago I would have had some faith that Obama would stand up to them. Now, I have a bad feeling about what is about to happen. Kind of like that anal probe I got yesterday.

[JVS]

65. I mean what happened as far as policy goes. Did they announce that under 55 won't be getting SS?

[Atman]

66. Not SS, Medicare. SS, they're RAISING the eligibility age.

So, not only would I have to work until I'm 70, I'd have to find my own insurance as well.

[flamingdem]

43. GOPTEAPARTY can fuck off nt

[Contrary1]

47. States better start building new prisons...

I predict there will be an avalanche of new tenants.

[Raschel]

48. No cuts made by politicians until they give up their pensions and healthcare.

[Raschel]

49. Does anyone know how to get a list of all the perks that congress receives?

Things like ice buckets every morning, cars, travel, etc?

They're stealing from us and living like little kings.

[JoeyT]

51. Being older than whatever the cutoff is won't help anyway.

The idea is to destroy SS, not just wound it.

The second they create a cutoff age everyone under that age will suddenly wonder why the fuck they should pay into a system that will never benefit them or even most of the people they know. Would you willingly put money into a bank account you could never touch no matter what the circumstances? Of course not, that would be stupid. "Cutting the shit out of income withheld for SS" will become THE winning campaign promise.

If they raise the age, Social Security probably won't see the end of this decade.

[blueamy66]

56. My guy is 53 and his health insurance sucks ass.

I jammed my thumb at work today....I'll go to CVS and buy some shit instead of going to Urgent Care and getting x-rays and forking out a co-pay.

Is it ever gonna end?

[Bonobo]

57. Don't want to pay my SS? Fine, give me my money back at 6% prime NOW! nt

[atomic-fly]

59. been paying into this since I was 16, NOT ENTITLEMENT! nt

[atomic-fly]

60. seriously! nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

62. He touches SS or Medicare....he can kiss the WH goodbye. You cannot change the rules

in the middle of the game and expect people to just be happy and accept it. I really hope they don't expect to just KEEP OUR MONEY. THAT is NOT going to happen. We'll expect our retirement fund refunds should they choose to change the game plan in the middle of the game. It's OUR money, NOT theirs.

FUCK THEM ALL.

[PRETZEL]

67. Me too,

Been working and paying all my life.

I'm lucky and that my employer really doesn't have mandatory retirement. Looks like I'll be working til the day I die.

Wonderful retirement plans.

[NorthCarolina]

69. I turn 55 in October, so I will probably miss the boat by literally days. nt

[flamingdem]

72. Strange thing about this thread, we're acting like this has PASSED! No way can

it pass unless the republicans sweep in 2012

[woo me with science]

82. The concern is that SS remains on the table, and that

our President has apparently accepted the RW meme that it needs to be adjusted for future retirees.

[blindpig]

70. The administration, with the backing of the party, will grant your wish.

eom

[Howler]

71. In the same boat at 51 n/t

n/t

[cascadiance]

74. I'm turning 53 later this year... Last employer just tried to f me out of some payroll tax...

by trying to claim money they paid to me at the end of 2010 was paid in 2011 instead. I believe they wanted to save a few hundred dollars by not paying their matching payroll tax, and that I would be "happy" getting my payroll tax refunded too. Ignoring for a minute what unemployment office will say when they see money falsely claimed as "earned" in 2011 when I am claiming benefits for 2011 and might have to pay higher taxes on this income in 2011, should I be "thankful" for me not paying in to my payroll tax funds (if Ryan's crap goes through) or upset, like I am that they are taking away from my SS and Medicare funds?

[Mnemosyne]

78. 53 here. K&R n/t

[Mnemosyne]

79. 53 here. K&R n/t

[RagAss]

80. In the past on this board, when I said they wanted us dead....

I was waved off like a bad fart. I'm looking more and more like a prophet every day !

And yeh....I Told You So !

[Tx4obama]

81. FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility

From the White House today

FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/04/13/fact-sheet-presidents-framework-shared-prosperity-and-shared-fiscal-resp

[MedleyMisty]

83. Are we going to have a Day of Rage?

Or are we just going to lie down and die?