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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:19 PM Original message |
Becoming exasperated. Someone please name me a politician who "fights" |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Um Sanders, of course. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. How has Sanders "fought"? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Using 911 |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. True - I think that emboldened some in the Bush administration. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. OK, I will grant bankruptcy "reform" |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Not with Biden co-sponsoring, no. No real pressure necessary, sadly. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. Bernie Sanders. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Bernie Sanders, who voted for the compromise-laden HCR? |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. Bernie Sanders. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Was it the excellent speech that isn't keeping the bill from passing that makes him a "fighter"? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. he voted for it? when? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. December 24, 2009, 7:05 am |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. & the connection to this tax bill is -- what, exactly? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Sorry, I thought you were asking when he voted for HCR |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. your post title was apparently about the tax bill, so when you use acronyms |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Apologies |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. gotcha. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Yes, yes. Let's all roll over and be good dogs. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Or, let's all bristle and growl at each other |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. This is a calm intellectual exercise only in Washington. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. For example, by passing unemployment benefits extensions |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. The Indians got $24 for Manhattan Island. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. That's a myth |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Personally, nothing. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. Jim DeMint, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Eric Cantor |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. DeMint hates the tax compromise more than we do |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I'll give you credit here |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. No, and neither side was carrying a torch for it |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. I must have imagined that chart the WH has been relentlessly pushing since last week |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. That's the sales pitch today. Neither party came in claiming it was a line in the sand |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
65. because he ended up with much bigger gains |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Republicans don't have to "fight" |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Actually the tax compromise seems to be undoing that unity |
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The Second Stone (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. George W Bush |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Why did the majority of W's initiatives fail? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. nclb, medicare d - he got what he wanted. they're both crap. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. False |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. If Bush had gotten everything he had wanted, his tax cuts would have been permanant and Social |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. In fact, using reconciliation was called a "cave-in" on many conservative message boards |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. Jim Boehner |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Strong men also cry, Mr. Lebowski |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. Sharrod Brown. Solid to the core. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. What behavior on his part is "fighting", and what has that accomplished? (nt) |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
19. LBJ, by getting Democrats to threaten congresspeople with |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. FDR. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Threatening to pack SCOTUS? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. "burns bridges, hinders future negotiations" Boehner stated there will never be "compromise" |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Right.... Boehner, whipping the tax compromise in his caucus... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Because he knows it isn't one. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Then why is nearly half of his caucus in an uproar? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Most DC GOPers are thrilled. Funny anecdote, a GOP fed was talking to a DC friend on mine |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
66. So LBJ is not the total hero after all? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. You are assuming people who want a "fight" actually care about legislative accomplishments. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. depends what you call an "accomplishment" we havent had any imo |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Well that's another thing. Not only do people not care about actual accomplishments -- they even |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. It's also about public perception |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Yes the sales job on them sucked. I would agree there. But are you sure that ANY sales job wouldn't |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. Maybe if we had more than 3 or 4 Dem "fighters" at any given time |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Why don't more win elections? (nt) |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Now we're back to bought-n-paid for, aren't we? (nt) |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. The people who want elected officials to "fight" are, I think, small in number |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. Most of the GOP |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Tell me what you mean? |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. the GOP |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
60. K&R for a thoughtful discussion |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
63. How about one who gets results? |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
64. Congressman Preston Brooks... |
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