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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:09 PM Original message |
How will rationally behaving K-12 teachers behave if their pay is tied to standardized test score |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. If they were profit-maximizing.... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. They will avoid teaching in low income areas since that's where the low scores usually are. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Teachers will be retiring as soon as they are eligible.. n/t |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Many of my FL teacher friends are retiring as soon as possible. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is already happening to a large extent. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. NOW you're seeing the Game Plan. "Creative thinkers" are not needed for "GLOBALIZATION" & low wages. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. What they don't understand is that bad test scores have put their jobs and pay in jeopardy already. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. What most people don't understand is that standardized tests simply don't reflect |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. They may not dictate how well a person learns but they show a student has the foundation to build on |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. No, really, for a sizable number of students, they simply don't show any such thing |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Any test results make billions for the test industry. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. I can see all that and MUCH more. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. When you say teachers will cheat aren't you slamming their morals and character? |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. it's not really cheating. it's forcing teachers to move in a certain direction. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Deliberately trying to exclude low testing students isn't cheating? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. You've given up on them if you expect this kind of "reform" to make a difference. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. the charter schools exclude them, not public schools. public schools can't. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. No. n/t |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. It's known that SOME teachers have in fact cheated. |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. And the evilness ... |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
13. U get a smart class your pay goes up, you get a less smart class pay goes down nt |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I wonder if cops would like to be paid the same way. An area with low |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Actually, I think Rudy Giuliani had that sort of approach for NYC cops |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. Some of that has already happened, |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
21. My kids aced everything when they re-entered US schools |
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