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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:45 PM Original message |
Woman sentenced to 15 yrs prison - drug use contributed to death of fetus |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. Note also that |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. point being? |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. I completely disagree with such a charge. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Is it fetus at 35 weeks (or, is it one until born)? (nt) |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I guess I have a simple position on it. |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Agreed 100%, David. nt. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. disagree n/t |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. What do you think? |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. agree 100% David. Once it is born, it becomes a person |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. Yep. I agree with this. nt |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Then you'll love this one... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Interesting. How do my fellow DUers feel about this one? nt |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Dangerous territory. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. this does not set precedent |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Look, ZombieHorde asked us to weigh in. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. I don't think Lasher was trying to use legal speech. nt |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. You are right and that is very kind of you Zombie, but cali is cool. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I agree, Cali is cool. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. I agree, this could be a sign of a bad trend. nt |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Was the coroner biased? Babies die without meth use. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. well said- I agree with you |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. Until the fetus is out of her body, it has no rights. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. So if it is born, then dies from drug issues related to the mother -would you see it as a crime?(nt) |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Any consequences manifested after birth that are a result of the mothers actions... |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
74. How is that logically consistant? |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I think this is an example of what happens when we try to define |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. are you speaking legally? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Expressing my opinion. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. She's a drug addict |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. This is a very poorly-written article, imho. Take these two clauses: |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. but a fetus does have rights |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. Only in some cases. And only per law since 2004. Per your link... |
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one_voice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. Well, first thing is she was already on... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. What if the "drug" in question is alcohol? |
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one_voice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. I still feel the same way... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. As I pointed out, fetal alcohol syndrome is by far the most common preventable birth defect.. |
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one_voice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. As I pointed out.. |
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one_voice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Also, I just want to clarify... |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. I can't check the link so... |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
24. So, a woman falls and the fetus dies....negligent manslaughter? |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. that would be called and accident but then again you knew that |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. unless authoritues choose to say the woman threw herself down a flight of stairs to abort... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. So was the damage from the meth use in the OP. |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. well I guess its you against the world |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. My my my, aren't you something. eom |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. well I guess its you against the world |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Fail. She pled guilty. No trial. Try reading the article. |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. You aren't paying attention Mike. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. And if they talk her into plea bargaining to plead guilty, as they did this one, then they don't |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. the woman can be charged in 37 states (link provided) for falling while pregnant |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
26. at 35 weeks with 1 to go sorry she's guilty |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. 1 week to go? Sorry - pregnancy for humans is 40 weeks. |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. 40 is approximate ... its actually 37-42 |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. 35+1=37? Or do you mean 35+1=42? |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
33. Even though I'm disgusted by this Woman's actions, I can't and couldn't.. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I agree. I'd even go so far as to court-mandate an appropriate birth control method |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Thank you for what you wrote. Good writing and I agree. eom |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. Excellent post! Fact is, spontaneous abortions happen. |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. she can get drug counseling free - IN JAIL |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. She can also get drugs in jail. More easily than she could in normal life. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
66. Your sense of life in prison is out-of-touch. Prisons nowadays are gladiator arenas. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
40. I don't agree with this at all. |
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Kat45 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
53. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people who killed a living, breathing person |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
55. Your country is fucked up. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Two words - Geert Wilders |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Like I said, this is not the first time such an example has come from your country... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. One county in Alabama |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Like I said, my judgment is based on MANY such cases from all over the US... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Yes, in a country this size, you get MANY idiots /nt |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I thought we were going to talk about Shell & Nigeria? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. And I thought you had "nothing to add" |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
56. Protceting the fetus and bombing the living, rght wint thinking is messed up. |
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Berserker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
65. She knew |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 07:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. And now, by punishing her, women will have to pay |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
69. This is a hard one. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You are right, this is a tough one...I'm sure the mother was using for the entire pregnancy... |
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