Liberals hate bad ideas, conservatives just hate people.

[Zoeisright]

"I get accused of being a liberal hatemonger for the stuff I write. I have been described as being full of anger and hate, unreasoned prejudice and that I’m just plain old mean! I’ve been told, a lot, that I’m just as bad as the Far Right. A few comments have been laced with profanity. I’ve only been threatened twice, so far. My first thought is that if I’ve only been threatened twice, I’m not trying hard enough! But then my second thought is “Hate? Me? Is that how I come off in my writing?” So I went back and reread everything I’ve written.

Yeah, I don’t think so. First, let’s dispense with the idea that I’m the “Far Left”. If you think I’M on the far end of the Left, you literally have no idea what an extreme Left Winger is. Presumably you think Obama is an extremist as well and that would make you one sadly ignorant individual. I’m about as interested in full Communism or Socialism as Obama is in punishing Wall Street. Let’s be serious here.

So how is what I say different from Right Winger hate speech? What makes me and all the other liberal pundits so special? There is one HUGE difference that gets glossed over: Liberals hate ideas, Conservatives hate people.

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There’s a reason almost all of the violence comes from the Right. The Right needs someone to focus its rage on because that is its fuel. Without emotional manipulation, the Right has nothing substantial to support its claims and so they target an ever-changing cast of “boogiemen” to vent their frustration on. “It’s YOUR fault everything is bad!” “YOU’RE stealing all the good jobs!” “YOU want to take all my hard earned money!”"

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http://addictinginfo.org/filthyliberalscum/2011/03/23/liberals-hate-bad-ideas-conservatives-just-hate-people/

That's really it in a nutshell.

[zorahopkins]

1. I Hate The Rich

I hate the rich.

I hate what they do.

I hate what they stand for.

I hate how they exploit the working people.

Does that mean I am a conservative??

[Ozymanithrax]

4. Do you hate George Soros and Al Gore, both rich men who often use...

some of their money to make the world better for everyone?

To me, when a person says "I hate the rich" that person is saying that the amount of wealth a person has is the only determining factor of that person's worth as a human being.

I see that as a singularly bad idea.

[Bucky]

6. Yes, that is *exactly* what the OP was saying. Thanks for playing.

[Bluerthanblue]

2. sorry, but I believe" hate is an equal opportunity destroyer"

our poop stinks too.

I believe that Liberal ideals are far less selfish and cruel than Conservative ones, but we, as individuals are all prone to the same personal failings. Claiming that we aren't is prejudice and bigotry imo.

[Deep13]

5. Even if there is apparent evidence for it?

I think it's true. When liberals criticize, it is usually on the merits of the argument and only cast aspertions on the person's character secondarily. With right wingers, the argument is usually ad hominem directed at what a person is rather than what he says.

I don't buy this we're-all-guilty idea. It's perfectly normal to hate what is genuinely hateful. What the right does, however, is to find scapegoats in order to avoid the problems. That's different and worse.

[Bluerthanblue]

8. if you think that we as liberals are somehow immune

from blanket hate- you're kidding yourself imo.

Rather than address the issues specifically, we quite often point to the group- The title of the OP is an example. When someone who is a known Republican does something which we agree with, or see as good, how often do you hear people claiming that this is somehow a freak accident? Is that an example of how we don't link individuals with their party and 'hate' them as a result? The word 'hate' is often twisted and bent by the one wielding it. We claim not to 'hate' but are quick to claim we are 'hated'.

My own personal opinion is that we are ALL human beings. There are some individuals who align themselves with the "left" that I don't really like very much- There are some individuals who align themselves with the "right" who I respect, despite their political affiliation.

If we use any criteria other than a person's individual actions and words to define them as good or bad- as worthy of our respect and concern then we are no different than the bigots we are trying to claim that "they" are.

at least as I see it.

[bobbolink]

11. Even worse, Liberals are prone to Indifference. Sapphire Blue used to periodically repost

the speech by Elie Wiesel named "The Perils Of Indifference", which he delivered in the Clinton White House.

He said, very profoundly, that the opposite of hate isn't love.... the opposite of love is INDIFFERENCE.

That indifference has repeatedly been shown to poor people by "liberals" for many years now.

It has become institutionalized in the party.

[Deep13]

14. True. nt

[Bluerthanblue]

15. so true-

"the opposite of hate isn't love.. the opposite of love is INDIFFERENCE".

And as you say, indifference is all too common when it comes to allowing our fellow citizens to live without.

It seems to me that the Republican Platform is maybe a little more ..honest..? about how they really don't feel a responsibility for the well being of their fellow man- (except in instances of 'moral well-being' as defined by their own standard, and usually doesn't involve sharing in material goods).

The Democratic Platform is one that encourages us to look to the welfare of all of us and central to the welfare of ourselves as individuals, and when so many are allowed to suffer while others live with abundance, it's hard not to feel betrayed and abandoned.

MLKjr. is a person I deeply admire. I often wonder whether we might have made some real progress in addressing poverty if he hadn't been killed. His march on Washington against poverty "The Poor People's Campaign" was supposed to happen just a few weeks after he was shot.- and perhaps played into his assassination.

he wrote:

The contemporary tendency in our society is to base our distribution on scarcity, which has vanished, and to compress our abundance into the overfed mouths of the middle and upper classes until they gag with superfluity. If democracy is to have breadth of meaning, it is necessary to adjust this inequity. It is not only moral, but it is also intelligent. We are wasting and degrading human life by clinging to archaic thinking.

The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.

.

This struggle has gone on way too long.
:hug:

[bobbolink]

16. You are exactly right that the RW is more honest in their ugliness, and I would posit that that is

precisely what is getting the Dems into so much trouble. Poor people especially know bullshit when they see it. But, the party has decided that they no longer need us in their "base" and are ready to throw this voting block under the bus.

Its interesting that you bring up Martin, because someone else today used him to justify their oppostion to the Libyan action, and said he was killed when he spoke for peace. That is not how most of us see it.. he was killed when he began to speak for poverty!

As was Bobby. :cry:

I firmly believe that we would have a much different society if both of these mean had lived to do their work. I also firmly believe that is why they were killed.

That is a wonderful quotation, and one I didn't remember.

I miss them both so much! :cry: I feel like I have no solid compass to follow.... :cry:

Thank you! :yourock: :pals:

[Deep13]

13. I'm not claiming we are immune from hate...

I'm claiming that we are often justified in it.

Being a Republican means accepting a certain point of view. Being a Republican activist means trying to put that point of view into practice. That point of view borders on and may be fascism. Except for outright slavery, I can't think of anything more worthy of hate. What Rs do is destructive and cruel. (Ds are slightly less destructive and cruel.) It's not because of what they are in the sense of some permanent natural trait. In this case, what they are is defined by what they do.

As a nonchristian, I don't have to pretend to love or even respect everyone. Unfortunately, some people in this world really are our enemies. Yeah, we're all human, but that alone doesn't get you very far considering the human potential for evil.

[Bluerthanblue]

17. don't we as Democrats try to put our points of view into practice?

I'm not convinced that 'christianity' has much to do with the right for all people to be afforded respect-

Do you reject the 'truths' that were stated in our Declaration of Independence?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

That would mean all people, not just those we like, or agree with wouldn't it?

Along with the human potential for evil, is ALSO the human potential for good, which exists in each one of us.

[bobbolink]

10. Once again, I'm going to have to agree with you.

Please stop doing that.

Its making me dizzy. :rofl:

:hi: :yourock:

[dkf]

3. That is just like saying "hate the sin not the sinner"

Which we all know is a crock.

"I hate the idea of being rich, I don't hate the rich"
"I hate the idea of homosexuality, not the homosexual"
"I hate the idea of being on welfare, not those on welfare"

That is a cop out.

[Bucky]

7. Only for knuckleheads.

If you're morally or intellectually incapable of distinguishing between human worth and dignity and the morally objectionable things people sometimes do, then that speaks to your own limitations. Please speak for yourself, because "we" don't "all know that is a crock."

Your stripe of thinking, as expressed in your post, justifies a lot of heavy handed government behaviors from capital punishment to ignoring collateral damage in wars.

[Old and In the Way]

9. When you're on the Far Right, evryone who you disagree with is on the Far Left.

I agree with the basic premise. Being a Republican or a Democrat 30 years ago was more policy differentiated...there was general consensus on the fundamental role of government in our lives. Today, the Republican Party is morphing into the Anti-Social Party. They exploit the hatred and bigotry inherent in those who vote for their Party. They're anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-Labor, anti-women, anti-teacher, anti-minority, anti-immigrant. They have no constructive solutions to the structural solutions that face this country. So they distract the voters with social policies that are designed to be ideologically divisive.

Things will only change when enough morons stop voting for the Party that delivers policies which are in their own worst interests. I wish I could say I don't hate these people, but it gets more difficult every year as more and more facts bear out the reality.

[Modern_Matthew]

12. I'm neither. I'm just an individual... nt

[starroute]

18. Most of those on the right may just not be very smart

There's an old quote (of unknown origin, though attributed to various sources) which states, "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people."

Leaving aside the implied snobbism, there's a kernel of truth here -- which is that the smarter people are, the more able they are to handle abstract concepts.

So if the haters on the right hate people, it's because that's all they can understand. They're just not capable of coming to grips with ideas.

[athenasatanjesus]

19. False equivalencies are ruining political debate nowadays.

I find few people willing to make critical distinctions between the 2 sides.Look at how Keith Olbermann was equated to Limbaugh Hannity,Beck,O'reilly...ect ect.