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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:06 PM
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Obama administration denies visa to Afghan women's rights hero and writer!
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 05:09 PM by Better Believe It




Afghan women’s rights hero is latest victim of ideological exclusion
By Carol Rose
March 20. 2011

Malalai Joya is a 32-year-old Afghan woman named by TIME magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world. Foreign Policy Magazine listed her on its annual list of Top 100 Global Thinkers, and last week The Guardian listed her among the "Top 100 women: activists and campaigners" in the world.

Ms. Joya was scheduled to come to Boston and other U.S. cities this week – including scheduled stops at Harvard, U. Mass. Amherst, and Smith College -- as part of speaking tour to promote her book, A Woman Among Warlords, when the State Department refused to grant her an entry visa.

Ms. Joya was told that her visa was denied because she is "unemployed" and lives "underground" -- the result of various death threats lodged against her by the Afghan warlords she has publicly criticized.

A more plausible reason for her exclusion is that Ms. Joya, who has been called the “bravest woman in Afghanistan” for her outspoken criticism of both the Taliban and the Karzai government, is likely to say something critical of the Obama Administration’s war in her country.





Malalai Joya

Read the full article at:

http://boston.com/community/blogs/on_liberty/2011/03/how_an_afghan_womens_rights_he.html


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NEWS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 17, 2011
9:06 AM
CONTACT: Rights Activists

Sonali Kolhatkar (626-676-7884), Prachi Patankar (917-415-0659), or Natalie Reyes (562) 319-3046)

US Government Denies Entry Visa to Afghan Women’s Rights Activist and Author Malalai Joya

NATIONWIDE - March 17 - The United States has denied a travel visa to Malalai Joya, an acclaimed women’s rights activist and former member of Afghanistan’s parliament. Ms. Joya, who was named one of TIME magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world in 2010, was set to begin a three-week US tour to promote an updated edition of her memoir, A Woman Among Warlords, published by Scribner, an imprint of Simon & Schuster.

Joya’s publisher at Scribner, Alexis Gargagliano, said, “We had the privilege to publish Ms. Joya, and her earlier 2009 book tour met with wide acclaim. The right of authors to travel and promote their work is central to freedom of expression and the full exchange of ideas.” Joya’s memoir has been translated into over a dozen languages, and she has toured widely including Australia, the UK, Canada, Norway, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, and the Netherlands in support of the book over the past two years.

Colleagues of Ms. Joya’s report that when she presented herself as scheduled at the U.S. embassy, she was told she was being denied because she was “unemployed” and “lives underground.” Then 27, Joya was the youngest woman elected to Afghanistan’s parliament in 2005. Because of her harsh criticism of warlords and fundamentalists in Afghanistan, she has been the target of at least five assassination attempts. “The reason Joya lives underground is because she faces the constant threat of death for having had the courage to speak up for women’s rights – it’s obscene that the U.S. government would deny her entry,” said Sonali Kolhatkar of the Afghan Women’s Mission, a U.S. based organization that has hosted Joya for speaking tours in the past and is a sponsor of this year’s national tour.

Joya has also become an internationally known critic of the US-NATO war in Afghanistan. Organizers argue that the denial of Joya’s visa appears to be a case of what the American Civil Liberties Union describes as “Ideological Exclusion,” which they say violates Americans’ First Amendment right to hear constitutionally protected speech by denying foreign scholars, artists, politicians and others entry to the United States.

Events featuring Malalai Joya are planned, from March 20 until April 10, in New York, New Jersey, Washington DC, Maryland, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington and California. Organizers of her speaking tour are encouraging people to contact the Department of State to ask them to fulfill the promise from the Obama Administration of “promoting the global marketplace of ideas” and grant Joya’s visa immediately.

Malalai Joya is available for a limited number of interviews. Contact Sonali Kolhatkar (626-676-7884), Prachi Patankar (917-415-0659), or Natalie Reyes (562) 319-3046).

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http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/03/17-1?quicktabs_1=1

I'll guess at one possible response. President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton have never heard of her or read her book and they are totally unaware of this exclusion.

Well, perhaps a flood of e-mails and protest letters to the White House and Clinton are in order! BBI





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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:09 PM
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1. You have got to be kidding me.
The makes Obama look as stupid as bush for not letting in Cat Stevens.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:11 PM
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2. But, but, but....
"Women's rights are human rights" (so said FLOTUS Hillary in China)......

Hopefully this will be rectified. K&R
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:14 PM
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5. To those paying attention - after the fact doesnt
Improve Teh Stooopid Quotient in this case.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:12 PM
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3. There has to be some kind of mistake there.
No way her Visa should be denied.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:48 PM
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22. I think Obama get's very uncomfortable with folks he thinks are "too radical" for his tastes.
I think he's just who he is...and get's creeped out by anyone who "appears to be" advocating for a cause. Unless it's a cause he (Obama) believes in and has worked with...he feels he needs to "hold back."

Just saying...that's my impression. Folks are saying: "No Drama Obama" ...but that's not a negative, necessarily...it's just that he doesn't like "protesters and folks who are "in his face." Sad that, but it's just his personality.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 07:40 PM
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29. I hope that it's a mistake, if it's not I am so
fucking done with this. I think maybe we got suckered.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 07:46 PM
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30. Some do feel that way... I don't know what's to be done about that, though..
but, yeah. We have to deal with what we have, though, and move on. What else can we do? :shrug:
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #22
38. Seems like he`s the pope benedict of democrats.
He could never stretch to far reaching out to the right, while being condescend and harsh to the left.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #22
66. What?
He is the President of the United States for gods sake and he is supposed to be a Liberal.

Since when do liberals want people to just shut up?

We debate on the merits, we show compassion as well as passion when advocating our points, which are always about Peace, Equality, Unity and Justice.

No drama Obama he is nothing but Drama he is a BUSH clone very little difference in the too execpt one got a Nobel Peace Prize.... Go Figure...

Don't you understsand in totality the damage that this President is doing to pinciples of all liberal thinking people....

The right already painted him as a radical Progressive and that is how the Right and some in the middle see him, his recent actions put him all over the place and far away from his base.

NOT IN MY NAME...

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Yes. Remember the Van Jones incident.
It made NO sense.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #22
69. I believe it goes beyond
personality. He acts like he scared to death that the 'right' might perceive him as liberal in any way.

He has no problem protecting the banksters from prosecution. Obama priorities are way the hell off.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #22
75. No body more dramatic than whiny bankers.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #22
79. I dream of 2016.
And a Dem landslide (without a 2000 coup redux, of course).
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:14 PM
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4. Clearly she's wearing Muslim garb in that second photo.

If I were on a subway with her, I'd be pretty damn nervous, and days away from a multi-million dollar contract with FoxNews.

Need I post the sarcasm thingy?

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:18 PM
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6. Even I got the sarcasm!
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:22 PM
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8. We all need to call our Senators and Deputy Sec of State. We need to Demand she gets a Visa
This is not the same time the State Dept has denied a woman to come to the US to report on what our Foreign policy is doing to other women and children.

This past summer, the US denied the reentry of Cynthia McKinney who was coming back from Palestine to report on the humanitarian crisis. She was to speak to our group in MN and had to cancel because they denied her reentry for several days.

In MN 8 activists' house were raided. all but 1 are women and their crime was going to either Palestine or Columbia to visit with women in the countries to come back and educate us on what is really happening.

It is sad the Hillary Clinton supports the denial of Ms Joya. She is educating the American people on how our tax dollars are being wasted and on the horrific condition and human rights abuses of the women and girls in Afghanistan.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:32 PM
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10. Hilary gets high marks for supporting the plight of women internationally.

This makes me wonder if the compliment is well deserved, or if she's merely using those who are very concerned about such matters.

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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:01 PM
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14. is it just words or her actions ?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:19 PM
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19. To be honest, I don't know.
But I look at what the US/State Dept did in Honduras and felt if she really cared about women, she would have been supportive of Zelaya and the our ambassador who reported that the action against him was clearly a coup.

Most of the time when I hear anyone, male or female, going on and on about her, my BS detector starts clicking with the meter reading "personality cult". Doesn't mean the detector is spot-on. But it's been often enough that I just move along.

I didn't find her or Obama that inspiring during the primaries. There, my detector read, "set-up".

She's a corporatist. Wouldn't surprise me if the only women she really fights for are in the +$250,000 executive class. And my BS detector makes extra loud noise when it senses "DLC".

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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:42 PM
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36. I think your BS-detector works just fine.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:19 PM
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7. I really hope this is some bureaucratic screw-up...if not, Obama et al
are worse than even I imagined.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:24 PM
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9. Do you think Obama is even aware of this? I have my doubts.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:32 PM
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11. Do you think the State Department is keeping it a secret from Secretary Clinton and President Obama?

And of course White House aides would also have to be in on this vast conspiracy to keep Obama and Clinton in the dark.

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:37 PM
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35. It won't be a secret for long
I'm calling my Senator, Congressman and the White House Monday. This can not be allowed to stand.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:17 PM
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49. More like how is it possible for him to know every single thing going on? With all the
bombing and Japan and everything....
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:28 AM
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52. So the U.S.Embassy staff in Kabul does not know who she is? They gave her a visa in 2009!
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:11 AM
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55. I have no idea "who" is responsible for this. Just saying that Obama
personally might not be aware. Maybe now he is though....
You mistake that I do not care but indeed I do yet I realize that our Gov. is so screwed up with manipulations as well as complexities. I just have the perception that Obama can't possibly know everything all of the time.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:14 AM
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56. That is why you hire the right people to work for you
Obviously, that did not happen :)
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:24 AM
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50. If not, then what the hell kind of people has he surrounded himself with?
Seems like he has placed repressive types around him since Day 1. I expected something different from him - A CHANGE we could BELIEVE IN...
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:34 PM
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12. This admiistration is getting good at trying to shut critics up.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 05:35 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
But, it's for our own good according to some here.
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
32. True, that. nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:41 PM
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13. Should the exclusion criteria be lifted for everyone or just her?
Do you think all Afghans who can't verify employment and can't verify a legitimate address should be free to come into the country whenever? Or should famous Afghans be allowed to?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:01 PM
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15. Now that was about as lame of an excuse for denying her a visa as one can imagine.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 06:06 PM by Better Believe It
So you think she should give the government a permanent address when she must stay on the move because of constant Taliban and other right-wing death threats! Or do you think such Taliban threats should not be taken seriously?

She can't verify employment? Well, that automatically excludes millions from entering this country who have been laid off or fired from their job!

That has nothing to do with the Obama administration denying her a visa.

She is "only" a well-known published author, former member of the Afghan Parliament and the most prominent women's right activist in Afghanistan who has criticized Obama administration policy in Afghanistan.

But the visa denial is really all about her lack of employment and permanent address.

Sure it is.

Do you really think we are that stupid?



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:23 PM
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:40 PM
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21. A bad guess. And your flippant "response" evaded answering any of the questions I asked you.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 06:41 PM by Better Believe It
"I'm guessing you had no idea who she was until you found that article"

I and other DU'ers have posted information on her courageous activities.

An Afghan Woman Who Stands Up to the Warlords: Interview With Malalai Joya
August 18, 2008
Is Malalai Joya the Bravest Woman in Afghanistan?
An Afghan Woman Who Stands Up to the Warlords
By FAROOQ SULEHRIA
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3816697


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:50 PM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 07:10 PM
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27. She's been featured on Democracy Now! for quite a while.
Most people who follow the news know who she is.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:04 PM
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17. don't you think every case should be looked at individually?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:50 PM
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23. Yes or no: Do you think this woman should be barred from entering the US?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 07:07 PM
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26. Of course not. But in cases like this,
someone big (like Hillary Clinton or a university professor at the event she's attending) needs to vouch for her ahead of time and explain the special circumstances. Don't expect an employee to be able to recognize her name out of the thousands they see each day asking for entry into the US.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 07:38 PM
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28. So thousands of Afghan women go to the U.S. embassy every day to apply for a visa. Sure they do.

"Don't expect an employee to be able to recognize her name out of the thousands they see each day asking for entry into the US."

I really don't think that thousands of Afghan women have the financial means, passports necessary and desire to apply for a U.S. visa everyday at the embassy in Kabul.

Maybe a handful every week. And do you really think the U.S. embassy in Kabul is unaware of who she is.

That's just not credible.

Try another excuse.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Your point of view is not credible. Out of all the people who hate Obama
FOX news, republicans, fringe left & right, you're telling me he singled out this ONE woman because he was worried she *might* say something bad about him? Are you kidding me?

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 09:20 PM
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45. Your claim that the U.S. Embassy staff is unaware of this human rights leader isn't credible.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 09:20 PM by Better Believe It
And just who do you think you're kidding with that nonsense?

You still have avoided answering any questions I asked.
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
39. she's an activist and champion for human rights in Afghanistan
it's just another example of how screwed up our country is
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 09:05 PM
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42. You`re joking, right?
Malalai Joya is WORLD FAMOUS as a civil rights and womens` activist and is WELL KNOWN as a former member of the Loya Jirga in Afghanistan.

Why should their address matter? If Nelson Mandela had shown up in the US in the 1980s without a formal address, would you have the same opinion?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 06:50 AM
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51. Agreed.
The OP loves to lead with "The Obama Administration" whenever she finds some odd quirk in the massive bureaucracy, implying that Obama has some direct part of the decision.

I would hope that this poor decision moves up the bureaucratic chain to allow those with a more rational point of view to reverse it. The denial of the visa was done "by the book", but an exception needs to be made in this case.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:41 AM
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53. They administration granted her a visa in 2009! Was that also one "by the book" without

any knowledge or consideration of her politics and leading role in Afghanistan human rights and women's rights efforts?

The State Department must doesn't know who she is.

Come now.

Do you think we really are that gullible and believe such nonsense?

Unless Secretary of State Clinton and President Obama are unfamiliar with politics and women's rights in Afghanistan this was not just the action of some low level Kabul clerk following the State Department "book". If the State Department and White House are truly that uninformed about Afghan politics they should not be directing U.S. foreign policy in that region. One might as well put a pet rock in charge!

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:05 AM
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54. So you really are blaming Clinton and/or Obama directly?
Really?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
64. "Exclusion criteria" are constantly lifted or imposed for political reasons.
Obviously a political figure coming to speak, like Joya, would get a visa, especially now that her case is known. If she doesn't get a visa now, that's a decision from on high.

More generally, if you ask me, however: Of course Afghans should have free run of the United States, long as the US government claims free run of Afghanistan. I hope they behave better though!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:03 PM
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16. Deplorable. Inexcusable. Indefensible. Though I'm sure some here will try.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:51 PM
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25. See my Post #22...for what...I sense.
Of course I could be misreading him...but hey, Cali...I've been much harder on Obama than you have. I'm easier on him on this...... Because...we elected someone else than we thought we were elected and I realize we have to work with Obama's personal foibles and hang-ups...and make it WORK FOR US.

He is what he is... Now we know. We gotta deal with it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:21 PM
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33. It took 13 posts for someone to rationalize it, though.
Slower than usual.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 09:10 PM
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43. (Sigh) Once again, I think she should be welcome in the US, but she wasn't
denied due to a conspiracy.

Directly from the U.S. Embassy site (chat transcript):

LC Herat / 1: (14:55) Zia-Herat: what if a person get a visa and go to the US and there seek asylum? Does it work?

Kabul Consular 1: (14:55) One of the reasons that we require visa interviews is to get a better idea about a traveler's intent. If the officer interviewing you suspects that you might seek asylum, he or she will not approve your visa.

Dr.Shirzad: (15:07) I am married, and beside my family I have to support my brothers and sisters, now I want to take a tourist visa only for myself, is not it a strong proof in regards of my returning back after the end of my visa period?

Kabul Consular 2: (15:07) Strong ties to Afghanistan take many forms. We will talk to you about your family, property and employment. But we will also talk to you about your opinions on Afghanistan and your hopes for the future. There is no guaranteed tie that will satisfy a Consular Officer. We look at the whole picture.


**And to the OP who said only a handful of Afghans apply every year:

Kabul Consular 2: (15:26) The United States welcomes thousands of visiting Afghans every year. Whether for business or pleasure, study or exchange, Afghans apply and qualify for travel to the US every day. While our immigration laws are very strict, we evaluate each applicant individually according to the law.


http://kabul.usembassy.gov/webchat_trans_2701.html
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 09:50 PM
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46. Nice post. But it has nothing to do with why the U.S. Embassy in Kabul refused to give her visa!

They denied her a visa because she wouldn't give them a permanent home address and the name of her employer!

But, that didn't stop them from granting her a U.S. visa in the fall of 2009!

So what has changed?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 06:05 PM
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18. Another Dumb Ass Political Move
just switch parties if you are so concerned what the right wing is going to say.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:35 PM
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34. God I'm tired of seeing this shit on DU.
No, I don't mean "Obama hater" posts. I mean the crap that goes on with this allegedly Democratic administration. Just fucking sick of it. I actually avoid the news sometimes these days....no, not the M$M, the progressive news outlets: Rachel, KO when he was on, Democracy Now, etc. It doesn't last long but I just feel so overwhelmed with the enormity of the crappy stuff that's gone on in the last 2 years I want to avoid it for a couple of days. And I have to admit I've stopped listening to most of Obama's speeches. I'm perfectly fine with reading them later, which is what I do. I have such a difficult time listening to the lofty rhetoric and/or the pronouncements that are a 100% contradictions from his campaign rhetoric...

I guess I just never expected to be coming to DU 2 years into this administration and feeling even worse than I did when Shrub was in office....at least I expected HIM to be what he turned out to be.

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:51 PM
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40. You knew you weren't going to get a kiss when
you got fucked by Bush, somehow that made it easier.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:41 PM
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68. I feel you completelty.... n/t
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:46 PM
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37. But...but...but...Obama can't be expected to do EVERY thing
He's only been president for 2 1/2 years!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 09:05 PM
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41. It's only been 789 days! n/t
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 09:18 PM
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44. This is unconscionable. This is the administration that DU worked so hard to get
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 09:18 PM by Ramsey
elected. I am personally appalled.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 09:57 PM
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47. The U.S. Embassy in Kabul granted Malalai Joya a visa to travel here in 2009! Why not now?
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 09:58 PM by Better Believe It



Afghans' 'Bravest Woman' Calls on U.S. to Leave
By Amy Littlefield
WeNews correspondent
Thursday, November 12, 2009

Malalai Joya, called the "bravest woman in Afghanistan," is finishing up a U.S. tour where she has pressed the Obama administration to pull the military out of her country. She says nothing could be worse for women than what she sees as the current civil war.

Multiple times, her enemies have tried to kill her, forcing her to hide in safe houses and wear a burka.

Now, 31-year-old Joya, known widely as "the bravest woman in Afghanistan," has come to the United States to promote her new book and deliver a message to the U.S. government as the Obama administration, according to widespread press reports, considers some level of troop buildup.

On tour from Oct. 23 to Nov. 12, she's made the following demand in some two dozen engagements from New York to Los Angeles: "Leave my country as soon as possible."



http://www.womensenews.org/story/the-world/091111/afghans-bravest-woman-calls-us-leave




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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 10:14 PM
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48. Malalai Joya: A Woman Among Warlords interview on CNN

Malalai Joya: A Woman Among Warlords on CNN

October 28, 2009: Malalai Joya tells CNN's Heidi Collins how she was expelled from Afghanistan's parliament.

See the interview at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K34S474CfKs&feature=player_embedded

Joya speaks against US occupation of Afghanistan in her interview with CNN International on October 28, 2009.

See the interview at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JYhMg6_Q5k&feature=player_embedded





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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:19 AM
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57. I am ashamed of my country. n/t
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:31 AM
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58. Wait, so the president has to personally approve of every visa?
Who does the visa approvals? Is it some intern, or is there a specific person/group of people? How far down in the chain is it?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:37 AM
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59. The head of the U.S. Embassy in Kabul can reject an application, with approval from Washington,

when it involves such a notable Afghanistan political figure and human rights leader.

Are you suggesting that the Obama administration and their embassy staff in Kabul never heard of her?

Oh .... the Department of State is part of the Obama administration just in case you didn't know that.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:42 AM
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60. I don't know anything about getting a visa.
I was asking questions. The way it was phrased in the OP made it sound like Obama himself personally denied her visa. All I know is that a visa appears to have been denied, but I don't know who made the decision or what the reasons are for it.

And really? Various Departments are part of the administration? Who woulda thunk?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:50 AM
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61. I can't imagine the denial happening without the approval of Secretary of State Clinton and Obama.

Some have suggested some low-level clerk in Kabul denied the visa because he or she didn't know anything about this leading Afghan human and women's right activist.

I think that idea is nonsense.

The Obama administration granted her a visa for a U.S. tour in 2009.

So what has changed?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:15 PM
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65. If she doesn't get a visa now then yes, it will be Obama (administration) denying it, not a mistake.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:39 PM
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74. The Buck Stops ... Nowhere these days, I guess.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:13 PM
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78. On DU it does these days.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:03 AM
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62. Members of Congress urge Obama administration to reconsider their decision


Since the U.S. Embassy’s decision to deny Joya a visa, members of Congress have taken up her case and are lobbying for a reversal of the State Department’s move.

Congressman Mike Capuano, a Massachusetts Democrat, has submitted a letter to the U..S. Embassy urging it to reconsider the decision. Additionally, Congressman Jim McDermott, a Washington Democrat, is asking other members of Congress to join him in signing a letter that will also be sent to the US Embassy in Islamabad, an effort that has received support from Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, among others.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/3/19/joya-visa-decision-harvard-chomsky/#
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:08 PM
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63. Let her in the country!
I thought half the reason we were fighting this war was to end the suppression of women in Afghanistan.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:40 PM
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:07 PM
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70. WOW, this is stupid! NT
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:00 PM
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72. Kick
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RMBEBBP Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:26 PM
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73. Wow, just...wow
WOW, QUAM ERROREM!
What a flub!

SPEREMUS HOC RECTIFICANDUM ESSE MOX!
Let's hope they correct this soon!

PER ME NON POSSUM CREDERE HOC IPSE.
I can't even really believe it myself.

LICET ILLAM INTRARE IAM, EDEPOL!
By Zeus' balls, let the woman in already.

IBI VERE NON EST ULLA RATIO QUAE POSSIT EXPLICARE CUR NON.
There's really no good reason that can explain why not.

TUA BONA SCRIPTAST.

VALE





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Runework Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:36 PM
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76. She's just an Obama Hater
The United States has tried to justify its occupation with rhetoric about "liberating" Afghan women, but we remain caged in our country, without access to justice and still ruled by women-hating criminals. Fundamentalists still preach that "a woman should be in her house or in the grave." In most places, it is still not safe for a woman to appear in public uncovered, or to walk on the street without a male relative. Girls are sold into marriage. Rape goes unpunished.

Joya is also an outspoken opponent of Barack Obama, the Karzai Government and the U.S. war that has deployed over 100,000 troops to Afghanistan and killed thousands....

The government of President Hamid Karzai, put in power by the U.S., has presided over the deterioration of women's rights, and in some instances actively promoted taking them away. Karzai signed a law that legalized rape in marriage.

http://socialistworker.org/2011/03/23/empty-talk-about-liberation
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:02 PM
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77. It's now obvious in light of the protests that Obama and Clinton won't let her enter the country.

So much for their support of human and women's rights in Afghanistan.
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