Some Doctors Refuse to Treat Unvaccinated Children

[The Straight Story]

Strong Beliefs About Vaccines Work Both Ways
To Protect Other Patients, Some Doctors Refuse to Treat Unvaccinated Children

Sometimes, Dr. Andrew Lieber has to tell his patients that it just isn't working out.
When parents refuse to vaccinate their children in spite of his efforts to convince them of the benefits of immunity, he reluctantly lets them go.

"By four months, if I can't help you come to terms with the scientific fact that vaccines are helpful, then I've done my job educating you," Lieber, a pediatrician with Rose Pediatrics in Denver, told MedPage Today.

At that point, he'll tell them to find another doctor -- something he has to do "a couple times a year."

"I feel like I have a bigger responsibility to all the other kids walking through my waiting room," Lieber said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/docs-turn-unvaccinated-patients/story?id=13037217

[Confusious]

1. good nt

[MyrnaLoy]

2. yes

good. Doctors have the right to fire non-compliant patients. This headline is misleading, he didn't refuse treatment he "fired" non-compliant patients, huge difference.

[lbrtbell]

3. A doctor isn't your boss, he's your employee

Patients do the hiring and the firing. A doctor not doing what the patient hired him for isn't doing his job.

What's next? Doctors refusing to treat patients who are overweight, or smokers?

Besides, doctors are not all-knowing gods. Things that are common knowledge today were considered fallacy by doctors not so long ago...things like ulcers being caused by H. pylori, or that PMS is real and not a figment of women's imaginations.

As a victim of vaccine-related illness, myself, I don't care how much drug-industry-sponsored "research" says that vaccines are harmless, this is not the case. If you're lucky enough not to have been affected by vaccines, great--get the shots, nobody's stopping you. But for those of us who are sensitive to them, and end up hospitalized because of them, we have the right to refuse them unless and until we are given options of vaccines that are safer for our bodies and our children's bodies.

Ignoring the very real suffering of people who have had severe adverse reactions to vaccines, as this doctor is doing, is unscientific quackery. You don't just listen to one side's arguments and accept them as truth.

[XemaSab]

4. If Exxon calls me and wants me to work for them

I am free to say no.

[Tesha]

6. *NO ONE* (with any knowledge) claims "Vaccines are harmless", ...

...least of all the manufacturers of vaccines.

What we all *DO* claim is that the overall benefit
that vaccines provide to humanity (to the herd, if
you will) far exceeds the harm they do to the occasional
individual. I'm sorry if a vaccine harmed you, but I
very much like living in a world free of smallpox and
mostly-free of polio, diptheria, mumps, rubella, measles,
tetanus, and a host of other deadly and/or disabling
diseases. And I look forward to living in a world free of
HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, HPV, malaria, and a number of
other diseases that still plague us.

Tesha

[BanzaiBonnie]

8. When my daughter got her TDAP

she became ill with meningitis. She nearly died.

When she had her MMR, she came down with mumps.

Her doctor said, no more vaccines for her. But she's tested immune for mumps now.

[distantearlywarning]

24. Fat isn't contagious.

That's the difference.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

91. OK, I love you!

And you're right!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

25. To stick with your dubious metaphor...so the doctor quits

It is the prerogative of any employee who finds his employer unacceptably stupid.

It is actually more of a partnership which either part can leave at any time.

[taught_me_patience]

44. It's not a dubious metaphor

Doctors fire patients all the time. It is, in fact, the term they use to officially sever a relationship between doctor and patient. My wife (general practitioner) fires a handful of patient every year for a myriad of reasons.

[MyrnaLoy]

101. So does my wife

[Tikki]

61. As a personal choice, I would want a doctor who did

practice on non vaccinated children and adults to, at least, have
special hours or a separate entrance for his patients who are not vaccinated.

Tikki

[Gormy Cuss]

77. Talk about dubious metaphors -- it's not a partnership. It's a fee for service.

As such, the doctor as a vendor is not obligated to take all customers unless there is a contractual arrangement that stipulates same, or unless the doctor is discriminating against protected classes. Here the doctor has said he chooses not to see these patients because of the alleged higher risk to his other patients. He must be confident that neither of the above conditions apply.

[taught_me_patience]

45. It's a term doctors use to sever a relationship

Doctors fire patients all the time. My wife (general practitioner) fires a handful of patient every year for a myriad of reasons.

[Gormy Cuss]

78. It's the term they use but doctors can't "fire" someone who hired them.

What's really happening is the doctor is declining the work.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. No one who knows a little will tell you that any medication

that includes vaccines, are free of risks. That said, nobody with that little knowledge will also tell you that the scientific evidence that vaccines WORK is not overwhelming. There are SOME people who should not get them for a slew of reasons, allergy to eggs is the most common, and very rarely the problem is at the genetic level with mutations that are so damn rare it is a one in a million lottery.

Sorry, but as a former health care provider I side with the doctor, and due to idiots that REFUSE to vaccinate their kids because they are well, IDIOTS... not because of VERY RARE and VALID reasons, I just needed a pertusis booster. We have a real life outbreak here. Babies have died. I guess that is ok.

[fishwax]

52. a doctor is neither your boss nor your employee

:shrug:

[SharonAnn]

62. Doctors decline to treat patients all the time. Plumbers refuse certain kinds of work, etc.

[intaglio]

65. Sad about you vaccine related illness

What is it?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

90. If you're not going to listen to your doctor's advise why are you going to him?

Doctor ask their patients to find new doctors all the time. This is a very good reason. If your doctor tells you to lose weight or stop smoking and you never listen to him, then he should tell you to find a new doctor because he's obviously not doing you any good.
Vaccines are not unscientific quackery. Vaccines have saved lives. Polio is nearly wiped off the face of the planet all because of a vaccine. Small pox was wiped out because of vaccines. Don't be obtuse and say that these doctors are quacks. If you tell a doctor you're allergic to a vaccine, then fine he's not going to make you get one, but these moron parents aren't not vaccinating their kids based on anything more than junk science that has been disproven!
Duckie

[seabeyond]

5. wrong on so many levels. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Infants who aren't old enough to be vaccinated are at risk

Kids who haven't been vaccinated and are sick are contagious.

I applaud the doctor.

[seabeyond]

36. it sounds to me like excusing and making up reasons to punish those that dont conform.

that simple.

lets just throw the kids away. the parents dont do what they are suppose to. the doctor isnt doing what he is suppose to. at the expense of kids.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. If my baby caught a contagious disease from an unvaccinated kid

I can't even imagine the anger.

Just watched a video of a mother describing her baby's death from pertussis after catching it from an unvaccinated cousin. It was chilling.

[seabeyond]

41. i dont work that way in life. i hold to what i said earlier. at the childs expense

i can not ignore a sick child, refuse a sick child care for any reason

[Viking12]

47. Referring them to another doctor is not 'refusing' to treat them

[seabeyond]

49. you and others applaud this doctor. the next one and next. there is always rationalizing

with immoral acts

[Viking12]

50. Yes, the anti-vaxxers continually rationalize their immoral acts.

Then whine like babies when rational people call them on their bullshit.

[seabeyond]

53. so, two immoral acts = expense of a child. i know that is a world i dont want to live in. nt

[Matt_in_STL]

55. I don't understand the "immoral" act

What is immoral about stating that you do not want to expose healthy, not yet vaccinated, infants to children who may be sick with a disease these vaccinations are meant to stop? I do believe most children are vaccinated and therefore, for the majority, this is a great safety measure.

With that said, I have a 10 week old infant and his pediatrician has two waiting rooms - one for well children and one for sick children. You choose the room that fits you. I am sure a pediatrician could add a waiting room for the unvaccinated but I don't understand why they should be forced to.

[seabeyond]

56. the immoral act is refusing to treat a child or treat a sick child. nt

[Matt_in_STL]

57. What about the risk?

Should healthy infants be exposed to something that had a high chance of being stopped by vaccination simply because a family has decided vaccinations aren't for them? Just as with any other choice you make in life you have to be aware of the circumstances surrounding that choice. Perhaps a good idea for the non-immunization crowd would be to ask the pediatrician ahead of time if they treat children who have not had vaccinations. If the doctors says no, that is a good time to find a doctor who will.

This isn't a case of a doctor simply refusing to treat a child. It is a case of a doctor trying to keep all of the other infants under their care healthy so they can reach the age where they can be vaccinated. While I can't protect my son from every germ and disease out there, I want him protected from the ones that can be easily prevented.

[Viking12]

66. Please name one child that went w/o care because this doctor refers them elsewhere

here are the consequences of your anti-vax crap:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Another-measles-case-confirmed-in-Clark-Co.html

[joshcryer]

84. 90% chance of contracting in the same room. This doctor is a hero.

He's saving lives by refusing to allow unvaccinated threat to be in his establishment.

[snooper2]

63. Got to disagree with you here

My daughter's been to the doctor what 6 times in the past 15 months, not once for being sick..

Just the normal newborn checkups, ear tests, eyes, shots, shots, shots, measure head, weight :)

Just like most of the other folks waiting in the waiting room where we all sit and wait with all our kids (4 doctors in office). There is actaully a "sick" side on the other side of the room to be with your child if he/she is ill.


Maybe they should have a third section for non-vaccinated kids and have to do a full wipe down when they leave. We are talking what, .001% or less of the population who refuse to vaccinate?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

92. It's not about conforming...

It's about people not dying from diseases that are easy to prevent. Making this an issue as stupid as conformity vs. nonconformity is just ignorant.

[WatsonT]

96. dupe

[WatsonT]

97. Yeah but see *everyone* is not dying of diseases these days

that's so conformist.

Be a free thinker and die of pertussis.

I think it's been long enough now that that can be considered retro and cool again.

[WatsonT]

95. This isn't about letting your kid name himself

or raising him wiccan.

Vaccines are proven medical science, it isn't simply forcing kids to conform for the sake of conforming.

Likewise if the parents felt their kid could live off sunshine and so refused him food and water I'd say they need to be "forced to conform" on that one issue to what is known to be medically sound, rather than their own silly ideas.

[LeftishBrit]

7. While I sympathize with the doctor's frustration, his actions are wrong

Health care, especially for children, is a right, not a privilege conditional on behaviour, and should not be withdrawn on such grounds.

I understand the worries about infecting others in the waiting room; but even kids vaccinated against measles, etc. can have infectious colds, gastro-enteritis, chest infections, etc.; so there need to be more general policies for reduction of spread of infections in waiting rooms.

I'm 100% pro-vaccination, but still against this particular policy.

[inademv]

9. His policy is in place to protect

his patients who do comply with the standing body of scientific evidence in favor of vaccines.

[The Straight Story]

12. As noted elsewhere, if someone is vaccinated already, what is their worry in the waiting room? (nt)

[Recursion]

20. Because vaccination actually isn't about individual immunity

The fact that I have a smallpox vaccination doesn't mean it is impossible for me to get smallpox. The fact that a population is vaccinated at or above a certain level means the disease can't spread.

[Mariana]

58. Exactly. I got measles even though I'd been vaccinated.

I caught it from a classmate who had also been vaccinated. SHE caught it from an unvaccinated kid from another state who'd been visiting his cousins who lived near her. There are always some for whom a vaccine doesn't take, and she and I were among those. However, the potential epidemic in our school (and the town, for that matter) stopped with us two girls. No one else got sick.

[Celebration]

22. the younger infants

Who haven't yet vaccinated yet.

[LeftishBrit]

26. There are people who can't be vaccinated.

Kids with immune disorders, or certain severe allergies, or undergoing chemo. Such children are also more vulnerable if they catch the diseases, so it's important that they should not be exposed. Also some vaccines only work for babies/ children over a certain age, and younger babies will be at risk.

I think that the doctor's approach is wrong (see above), but that doesn't mean that there isn't a problem at all.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

93. And these are not the people that this doctor is talking about, I am sure.

You're talking worst case scenario, not realism.

[LeftishBrit]

102. I think (judging from your other posts) that you may be misunderstanding what I said

I wasn't saying that the doctor is 'firing' parents of children who can't be vaccinated for age or medical reasons; but that he is 'firing' parents of children who might infect those who cannot be vaccinated.

While I see his point, I think that there are so many infections that can spread in waiting rooms, that other policies are needed.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Infants are not old enough to be vaccinated

[AngryAmish]

42. Vaxs don't always take

My nephew was vaccinated. Still got whooping cough. It happens. That is why everyone should take them and keep the disease resevoir drained.

Polio vaccine was not 100% effective, but mankind is free of that evil since enough people were vaccinated it had nowhere to hide anymore.

[csziggy]

73. What about the infants too young for the vaccinations?

They would be at risk.

[WatsonT]

98. People who cannot be vaccinated

people with immuno-deficiencies, the 5% or so where the vaccines do not work, those who are too young or are still in the middle of a treatment regime . . .

Take your pick.

[JoeyT]

100. There are a few.

There are groups that literally physically cannot be vaccinated. Too young, too allergic to eggs (or other carriers), problems with their immune system, etc.

They're a small enough number that if everyone that was able to get vaccinated did so, they'd probably never come in contact with the diseases in their lifetimes. But every person that isn't vaccinated increases that risk, and now that there are people that deliberately choose to not be vaccinated (or choose it for their children), the risk is getting higher and higher for those groups.

To put it another way: It doesn't take a whole lot of potential carriers wandering around for the herd immunity that protected those groups to break down completely. The risk to non-vaccinated people, both by medical necessity and by choice, is cumulative. If .1% of the population is susceptible to mumps, most of those will never see another person with mumps while they're contagious. If the population of potential carriers rises by very much, you can see an outbreak.

[LeftishBrit]

31. The problem here is:

(a) Children are too young to come to a decision as to whether to have vaccines, so they are being punished for the actions of their parents, which seems unfair.

(b) As regards protecting others: even vaccinated children can spread (other) germs in the waiting room. Little Johnny may not have measles, but he may have gastro-enteritis or strep throat or a new brand of 'flu, and share his germs with everyone else. There needs to be other measures in place to reduce spread of germs in the waiting room; e.g. parents can be instructed that if children have certain symptoms, they should ring the surgery before bringing the child in. In certain cases, it may be more appropriate either to give advice over the phone, or to make a home visit. Similar policies helped to reduce the spread of swine flu in the UK in 2009.

[inademv]

67. in response

a) yes, and he isn't offering the option to the child, he is offering it to the parent and it is their responsibility to be.... responsible. This is the same argument that I personally use when explaining why it is a horrible idea to preach religion to children.

2) It isn't really relevant to the general practice of pediatrics. It would be nice for all offices to be setup like the one I remember going to where the waiting room was partitioned for children that were symptomatic and those that were asymptomatic but that is really more of a building planning and management issue than debunking the lingual defecation that is Ms. McCarthy's opinions on vaccinations.

[Deep13]

10. Parents who refuse to vaccinate are essentially requiring the doc...

...to commit malpractice. The doc can do what she can to keep her patient healthy, EXCEPT the one thing we know for a fact will prevent disease. It's not like vaccination is in any way a judgment call. There's every reason to do it and no reason not to. It's not like some procedures where there really is no right answer whether to do it or not.

[LibertyLover]

11. Vaccines have saved lives, and my daughter has had

her vaccinations, but I've always wondered about something - if vaccines prevent disease, what does it matter that a vaccinated kid comes in contact with an unvaccinated kid? Doesn't the one's vaccinations prevent them from coming down with whatever disease the unvaccinated kid may be infected with? I must be missing something, but I wouldn't think it was the big deal it apparently is.

[X_Digger]

13. The danger would be to an infant or a child pre-vaccination.

ie, a 4 yo with measles is in the same waiting room with an 18 month old baby who hasn't had their first round yet.

(And I'm making up the ages, it's been many many moons since I knew the schedule for vaccinations.)

[The Straight Story]

15. Then vaccinate them while still in the womb, problem solved

Who wants to hold a baby without all it's shots? That is unfair for the dr who has to touch it when he/she delivers it. :)

[X_Digger]

18. Not to double-down on DU memes, but.. that is what the colostrum (first milk) is for :) n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. You must not understand how vaccines work

Is your tetanus up to date? You can still catch that as an adult if you haven't had your boosters.

[Deep13]

76. Vaccination schedules are age-specific.

They cannot be given arbitrarily to a newborn.

And a doctor's office is a cross road for germs.

[joshcryer]

85. Takes time for a baby immune system to start developing.

[GoneOffShore]

14. Excellent

Maybe some of the Wakefield/McCarthy/Mercola adherents will wake up - Though I doubt it..
They've paid the scam artists too much.

[The Straight Story]

19. You mean like: Japan Suspends Use of Pfizer, Sanofi Pediatric Vaccines After Four Deaths

Japan Suspends Use of Pfizer, Sanofi Pediatric Vaccines After Four Deaths

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-07/japan-stops-use-of-pfizer-sanofi-vaccines-on-four-deaths-1-.html

[Godhumor]

46. edit: posted in the wrong part of the thread

n/t

[inademv]

70. “No causal relationship has been established between immunization and these fatalities, but an inves

Do you have a followup on that piece. It is pretty lacking in science.

[WinkyDink]

16. This doctor sounds like a moron. Hello? Contagious people walk through your doors EVERY DAY.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. With diseases that cause death??

I doubt it.

[Skidmore]

38. Sure they do.

I worked in a hospital for years, and on one of the studies, I spent literally hours with a person who had an active case of tuberculosis and who did not know it. He at least called later to inform us. The whole staff had to undergo testing and a regimen. People walk in with all sorts of infections which can be deadly.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. So you think it's a good idea to add even more contagious diseases to the mix?

I also believe a doctor's office is a tad bit different from a hospital.

[Skidmore]

43. I think that if a person is ill then he or she deserves to have

medical care. I find it fascinating that we have doctors who will travel to far reaches of the world to deliver health care to other populations with very severe health issues and be lauded for it but the profession claims the right to pick and choose who to care for among our own peoples.

[WinkyDink]

68. No, it isn't; the office is the first stop. Moreover, it is the doctor who is pre-diagnosing.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. But the risk for exposure would be worse in a hospital

[WinkyDink]

72. You DOUBT people with TB go to doctors?! Or with bronchitis?! Or with infections?!

What---you think most people FIRST go directly to a hospital?! What country do you live in?

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. Lots of people go to the ER and never to a doctor's office

Especially the uninsured.

[joshcryer]

86. I haven't been to a doctor since I was 10 years old. I'm 34.

[PBS Poll-435]

17. They are free to go see the town "natural medicine" doctor, Ms. Information. nt

[tridim]

21. I stopped vaccinating my dog because of epilepsy

Now I can't board her legally, which is a huge problem.

I pretty much hate the vet business, 90% of it is pure profit that has nothing to do with pet health.

[Zephie]

23. My mom was on the no vaccinations bandwagon

I've suffered a lot for it health wise and I won't make the same mistake. My husband and I joke that I have the immune system of a third world orphan. Joking is really the only way to handle it, as I'm actually sick very often.

I love herbal medicine and natural remedies and have very little faith in big pharma fixes, but basic vaccinations are really a necessity.

[BoWanZi]

27. Your last two lines don't go well together.

"I'm actually sick very often.

I love herbal medicine and natural remedies and have very little faith in big pharma fixes, but basic vaccinations are really a necessity"

You are sick often but it sounds like you don't seek the help of a real doctor since they would provide you with 'big pharma fixes'. If you are sick often, that doesn't sound like the holistic cures are doing their job.

http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/

[Zephie]

30. They work as a fix after the symptoms appear

Not as a preventative. Sorry for the confusion! You're right, I do not get to go to the doctor very often, but that is a financial constraint and not a personal choice. :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. Good

[aikoaiko]

29. I wonder who else he discontinues service for when they don't listen.

I understand why he wants to push for vaccines, but really, should he discontinue service to those who don't get flu shots?

[taught_me_patience]

64. Doctors "fire" patients all the time

That is, in fact, the term they use to discontinue service. There are many different reasons for discontinuing relationships, and most center around the patient's refusal of care becomes too big a liability risk to the doctor.

[aikoaiko]

87. Usually that's done on a case-by-case basis and not by fiat.

And usually its done for patients who are noncompliant with specific treatments.


In this case, we have a doctor who won't treat a child with the flu because of not receiving an unrelated vaccine.

[JitterbugPerfume]

35. The sins of the parents

are visited upon the children.

This is sad on many levels, but the Dr. is blameless . He is trying to protect the common interest of all of his patients.

[inademv]

71. Every religion ever n/t

[JitterbugPerfume]

103. a am an atheist

--

[Godhumor]

48. I can't stand the behavior of anti-vaccers, but I have real issues with drs refusing to see patients

Hate that they put both their children and others at risk with such irresponsible behavior, but I am conflicted on how to deal with it at the doctor level. I would be enraged if a doctor let his moral beliefs get in the way of making a decision to help someone in my family, and, frankly, though it is a different situation here, I feel the same way about this.

[fishwax]

54. If doctor and patient can't see eye-to-eye on that, it may be best for both parties to part ways

I know there are circumstances in which a doctor is allowed to dismiss a patient, but I don't know specifically what they are.

[Matt_in_STL]

59. My daycare requires proof of vaccination

My infant son attends a local daycare. We are required to provide his vaccination records after each of his checkups to prove that he has been vaccinated. Is it wrong for a daycare to turn away children who are not vaccinated because they don't want to entertain the possibility of a contagion infecting the yet-to-be vaccinated infants in their care? The doctor is not telling these people he refuses to treat the unvaccinated child due to his beliefs, he is doing it to protect the other infants and children in his care.

[WinkyDink]

69. Day-care workers hardly take the Hippocratic Oath. Doctors TREAT SICK PEOPLE, not healthy ones.

[Matt_in_STL]

75. Doctors don't treat healthy patients?

I took my 2 month old son to the pediatrician last week. He was perfectly healthy and yet the doctor saw him, checked him out, and gave him his next batch of immunizations. Doctors do treat healthy people all the time.

You are okay with doctors going against their oath and putting more people at risk by having the unvaccinated children in their waiting rooms? He isn't refusing to treat unvaccinated children on principle or because of his beliefs. He is protecting the health of the others in his care. Would he not be responsible if an unvaccinated child infected an infant in his office because he did not take precautions?

If a parent chooses to deny vaccines to their children they need to ask a pediatrician ahead of time if he/she treats unvaccinated children. Having had to recently find a pediatrician we went through many resources and spoke to multiple doctors to find the right one. I am sure these parents can do the same. While I sympathize that it may be slightly more difficult for them to locate a doctor that fits their needs, I am glad that someone is looking out for those infants that haven't reached an age where they can receive the vaccinations and are at their most vulnerable.

[snooper2]

60. My doctor only treats unvaccinated boys

If they are also uncircumcised




He says you can't have it both ways :rofl:

[ecstatic]

74. From my research, it's pretty clear that vaccines kill/maim some kids

but such incidents are rare--so the government and medical community absolutely refuse to acknowledge the risks in order to keep the general population plague free. There have been too many cases of perfectly normal babies dying of "SIDS" shortly after a vaccine; but the 5+ shots given the week before will never be listed as the reason. http://pubmedcentral.gov/

[Recursion]

79. That's what bugs me about the "perfectly safe" line

No medicine is perfectly safe, ever. Vaccines are extremely safe, but there are sometimes reactions, and going overboard and saying there never are just makes already-skeptical people more skeptical.

[Gormy Cuss]

80. The notion is that as long as the vaccination has a lower risk than the disease,

it's better to vaccinate. That doesn't comfort the parents and children who have severe adverse reactions or die after vaccinations, but if for example the disease used to kill thousands of people a year and the vaccine kills five a year, the vaccine is better from a public health perspective than no vaccine.

[Deep13]

83. And public health is a community concern...

...not a matter of individual choice.

[proud2BlibKansan]

88. I'm old enough to remember polio

I knew kids who died from it. I have peers today who are disabled because they had polio.

All parents who refuse the polio vaccine should be forced to watch videos of polio victims dying.

[WatsonT]

99. They acknowledge the risks

every legitimate study comes with a margin of error.

Perhaps the reason they don't blame SIDS on vaccines is the same they don't blame autism on vaccines: there is no causal relationship.

And you linked to a repository for scientific studies, not any actual study.

Like citing google.

[Sonicwall]

89. This is excellent news. My son is under the care of his partner Dr. Wright

and she is one of the best - and also a family friend :blush:

[WatsonT]

94. Interesting

I'm not sure where I stand on this.

On the one hand the kid being in there with everyone else does pose an unnecessary threat to the other children.

However the child shouldn't suffer because the parents are idiots.

I guess as long as there are other doctors willing to treat them then it's ok.