BYU Basketball Player Brandon Davies Kicked off Team for Having Sex

[MadBadger]

Brandon Davies was dismissed from BYU's basketball team after he admitted to having sexual relations with his girlfriend, the Salt Lake Tribune reported Wednesday.BYU's honor code forbids students from having premarital sex and instructs them to "live a chaste and virtuous life." The newspaper reported that Davies met with school officials on Monday...

University spokeswoman Carri Jenkins said an honor code review is under way to determine if the BYU sophomore will be allowed to remain in school, as well as his status with the team next season.

BYU's honor code also requires students to be honest; abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee and substance abuse; and attend church regularly...

No one discussed details of what occurred with Davies after the game but BYU coach Dave Rose discussed the school's controversial honor code.
"Everybody who comes to BYU, every student if they're an athlete or not an athlete, they make a commitment when they come," Rose said of the school's honor code. "A lot of people try to judge if this is right or wrong, but it's a commitment they make. It's not about right or wrong. It's about commitment."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090

I understand the argument that he knew what he was getting into when he went to BYU...but I dont care. I dont like it, I disagree with it, him being thrown off the team for such a shitty shitty rule.

[elias49]

1. It's a game. Take a breath.

He bought into the rules of the school (I assume) when he enrolled.
You live with your mistakes.
And life goes on.

[MadBadger]

3. If you read the article you'd see he may be kicked out of school.

[madinmaryland]

8. He did sign up to go to BYU and agreed to its rules as part of getting

admitted.

I don't agree with the rules, but they are the school's rules. If you are going to violate the rules, then you will have to accept the consequences.

[MineralMan]

16. And how many of the other team members do you suppose

have not broken that rule? I'd guess less than half. Sports stars in college generally have to fight potential sex partners off.

[madinmaryland]

34. I don't disagree, though I cannot answer question as to how many, if there

are any.

Might the fact that he is not white (at a lily white school) have something to do with this??

[malaise]

61. Please

Sex at his age supersedes most stupid college rules...it's natural.

[tigereye]

75. risks associated with religious schools, particularly

Mormon ones, it would seem! :hi:

[MineralMan]

6. And do you suppose that other members of that team haven't

had sex? Really? All of them who have should step forward, admit it, and get tossed. The team would no longer exist and a lesson would be taught.

[Common Sense Party]

41. Some have, many haven't. Some are married and definitely have.

It's not all that uncommon at religious universities for people to remain virgins until marriage.

[MineralMan]

70. Well it's not uncommon for those schools to think that

their students remain virgins, at least.

[Common Sense Party]

90. Why is it impossible for you to think that some people can wait?

I'm not saying all do. I'm saying many do.

[MineralMan]

91. Of course some people wait. They do that everywhere.

Where did I use the word all? You're reading something into what I wrote that isn't there. Please don't do that, OK?

[Common Sense Party]

93. OK, well, you wrote:

"it's not uncommon for those schools to think that their students remain virgins."

What do you mean by that sentence then? Of course BYU thinks some of their students--most, probably--remain virgins until marriage, since that is the standard they have adopted.

I'm probably inferring incorrectly, but it sounds from the tone of that sentence you think it laughable that ANY of them remain virgins.

[MineralMan]

97. No, BYU thinks that a huge majority of their students

don't have sex. They expect - no, demand - that they don't. And yet, there is almost no doubt that many, many of them do have sex. It's almost impossible to imagine that is not the case. BYU knows that. They really do, but they pretend it doesn't happen, and their students casually sign a pledge saying they won't do it.

I would be willing to bet that a majority of BYU students have sex while unmarried during their tenure at BYU. It's the nature of people in late adolescence and early adulthood to do that. Now, the percentage might be a little lower than at, say UCLA or USC, but I'd bet something very precious to me that a majority of BYU students are not celibate for their entire time at BYU.

What's laughable is BYU's hypocrisy in kicking a black student off their basketball team for having sex, while that's going on all over the school. Don't you agree?

[tigereye]

77. hmm, didn't ORU have a fairly good b-ball team last year?

:D

[tigereye]

76. good point- they wanted a really good b-ball team, sex

for athletes may be the price they have to pay! It would he quite amusing if they all came forward to say that they were well, unchaste... :D

[mysuzuki2]

2. So, how did anyone know?

Did they do it in the grass behind the student center or something? Were there witnesses?

[DURHAM D]

37. Not that it really matters but I understand his girlfriend is pregnant.

Perhaps her parents are pushing the agenda. Wouldn't surprise me.

[tigereye]

78. since birth control is also banned?

:rofl:

[MineralMan]

4. If the other team members had any cojones, they'd all

admit to having sex (probably true) and force the school to drop them from the team. That might open some eyes there in Utah.

[Ian David]

7. That would be something to behold. n/t

[MineralMan]

12. Won't happen. They're there for their NBA potential. Getting their

MSBB degrees.

N.B.: I made a sentence with three homophones in it! I shall celebrate with a chocolate-covered brazil nut.

[elias49]

19. You deserve one!

[Renew Deal]

59. NBA potential at BYU?

Not really. I know it happens, but kids with "NBA potential" are usually scooped up by the big basketball schools.

[tigereye]

80. Jimmer Fredette? Looks pretty good, eh?

Never heard of him before this year...

[tigereye]

79. nicely done!

[Johonny]

13. I agree, I'm suppose to believe Jim McMahon left college

as pure as new fallen snow.

I think a lot of BYU does get married real young however.

[palm_to_forehead]

22. McMahon was Catholic

and was not held to the honor code Davies agreed to.

I'm not defending it, just explaining it.

[MadBadger]

24. He went to BYU and would be held to the same standard regardless of religion

[NoGOPZone]

27. You're explaining it incorrectly

The BYU honor code says

"Those individuals who are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are also expected to maintain the same standards of conduct, except church attendance."

http://saas.byu.edu/catalog/2010-2011ucat/GeneralInfo/HonorCode.php

[palm_to_forehead]

38. The explanation came from a Mormon teamate of his...

...when I asked him the same question that I was replying to.

[NoGOPZone]

39. Maybe you should be more cautious about repeating unverified explanations. ;-) nt

[palm_to_forehead]

43. It makes more sense and has more credibility

than the wild ass guesses I'm seeing.

I met the guy at a conference and pretty much that exact question ("How did McMahon get away with all that?") came up.

[NoGOPZone]

45. Has more credibility than what? The text of the honor code itself? nt

[palm_to_forehead]

48. My gosh, do you understand context?

I'm aware of their strict honor code, why the fuck do you think we asked the guy who played on the OL at BYU during McMahon's time there how he got away with it?

What exactly are you trying to prove any way?

[NoGOPZone]

49. I was trying to prove that your statement was incorrect

which I believe I've done. Can you prove that you can admit you're wrong?

[palm_to_forehead]

50. Congratulations. You win at the Internet.

Here's your sense of accomplishment to fill whatever void it is you seem to need filled.

As for me, I'll stick with the story from the guy WHO PLAYED ON THE GOD DAMNED TEAM WITH HIM.

[NoGOPZone]

52. Thank you

I hope your adherence to anecdotal evidence also 'fills a void', or whatever your phrase was.

[palm_to_forehead]

53. Breaking News

Not all knowledge in the world is found via Google.

More at 6.

[tigereye]

81. it's sports, that's half the fun and the raison d'etre of

most sports shows!

[muriel_volestrangler]

44. Do they expect non-Mormons to abstain from tea and coffee too, then?

I find a university with no coffee even more unbelievable than one without sex.

[NoGOPZone]

51. Gambling is also prohibited

So in theory, it's also a university with no dorm room or frat house poker games. Tough to imagine, I know.

[palm_to_forehead]

54. In theory?

But you quoted the honor code, shouldn't you already know exactly how everything is done there?

I mean, you have a source from the internet and all.

[NoGOPZone]

55. I quoted the honor code

to prove that your statement, excuse me, "explanation" about non-Mormons being exempt was incorrect, not to prove I know what happens behind closed doors at a university I've never even visited.

By the way, my Internet source was the university itself. Maybe your lineman acquaintance can create his own web page for your use.

[palm_to_forehead]

56. But you have access to the website

so you should know how everything is actually done there right?

What's the need for theory?

Isn't everything you need to know about BYU and how they treat their players both now and twenty years ago so clearly spelled out on their website that there would be nothing that a first hand account could add to the situation?

[palm_to_forehead]

58. Secondly

Would this be the first time in history that the way a university claims on its website that it conducts itself with athletes and the way it actually does be different from each other?

Perhaps we should tell Wikipedia about it.

[NoGOPZone]

62. Perhaps you should tell BYU

that someone you met at a conference and claimed to be both a teammate of McMahon's and a Mormon can state unequivocally that in direct contradiction to the schools written policy, non Mormons are indeed exempt from the university's honor code. :rofl:

Wait you said specifically that McMahon was Catholic. So is that the extent for the exemption? Catholics only, not Baptists, Methodists, Jews, Wiccans? Did the OL mention that?

[palm_to_forehead]

63. Why would I need to do that?

I'm sure they have the reasons McMahon was given a free pass clearly written somewhere on their website.

Do you have that URL?

I mean, everything known to man is on the internet right?

[NoGOPZone]

65. Not everything

only that what can't be learned from stories people say at conferences.

[palm_to_forehead]

67. Well, you've already proven I just made that shit up or the guy was telling a lie.

So where's your handy official resource to explain the originally posted question?

[NoGOPZone]

68. Consider a third possibility

that he was simply mistaken. Now what's this originally posted question you're so anxious to have answered? Do we even know Davies is a Mormon? I don't see this in the article.

[muriel_volestrangler]

64. Coffee actually is important for studying, though

"I've got to finish an essay tonight, brew some strong coffee" is a cliche because it's true. Normal universities sell you coffee from machines. Cambridge University had an internet app showing the state of its coffee pot before there was ever a photo on the World Wide Web. Coffee is actually central to the serious part of university life, as well as the fun part.

[NoGOPZone]

72. Now I know why I was never a good student! nt

[tigereye]

82. ah, great post as usual, Muriel!

:hi:

[tigereye]

83. that's hilarious! Love it.

[RCC]

103. Brandon Davies is a Mormon

Brandon Davies is a Mormon and many of the colleges that wanted to recruit him and offering full scholarships feared he would leave to serve on a two year mission which was expected by his sophomore year of college. And yes. Even if you are not a Mormon you must live by The Latter Day Saints rules of morality, etc....if you attend BYU.
http://thekennelreport.blogspot.com/2008/09/tkr-2009-recruit-breakdown-brandon.html

[Sheepshank]

88. Attending the school regardless of you personal faith

...you sign docs stating you will uphold the SCHOOL'S standards....McMahon was given special blind eye dispensation. They school is being hypocritical.

[Common Sense Party]

92. They let McMahon get away with almost anything.

Technically, he should have been held to the same standards, but BYU didn't enforce it during his era. They were willing to let things slide when they were winning. Provo police dealt with some wild parties when McMahon was in town.

[bullwinkle428]

35. BINGO! "Jim McMahon" was my first thought as well!

:toast:

[Ian David]

5. Are they at least allowed to masturbate? n/t

[MineralMan]

9. LALALA...I can't hear you...

:rofl:

[madinmaryland]

11. Uh-oh. I got the popcorn!

:popcorn:

[originalpckelly]

26. "Honestlty, I was just walking around my bed and I fell, and my dick ended up in my hand..."

[lpbk2713]

10. They should change the name of their team.

From the Cougars to the Fighting Virgins.
If they prize chastity that highly. :shrug:

[RandomThoughts]

14. A commitment is made at some state based on what you think.

What if you make a commitment without knowledge of what is asked, or what is expected, as are all spiritual deals. Since nobody can conceive eternity, or ideas of the supernatural.

So if someone made a commitment to any of those things, and learned they can do those things without harm and with love, then that learning changes the situation.

That is how a spiritual deal, and some 4 year stint at some college are different, many try to say spiritual deals are forever. If that is true then someone in a younger state, or with less knowledge, would be confined by that state, not who they are, or could be, on some other day.

Spiritual deals remove the concept of education and learning, and are a deception.

Where is the honor of getting someone to 'agree with you' to express some talent they have, that you have nothing to do with. If he has a talent to play basketball, why should some person be able to set some condition on him being able to express that talent?

That is another reason for the need to break up consolidations and for diversity, so he can express his individual skill somewhere else.


The non existence of spiritual deals is easy to explain.

"Because of being blind, you are not guilty." However I also think there is learning so that people can understand and move forward in different states with many choices.


Side note: third defense of reason is also needed, since concepts of what is learned as better for groups, by many in society, including many that are inspired is also needed in those situations, to avoid bad choices.

[somone]

15. School named after a guy who lied and instigated a massacre

Figures

[Ishoutandscream2]

47. +10000000000000000000

[JBoy]

17. Sounds like the team needs a pep talk from Bristol Palin.

[tigereye]

84. he!

:rofl:

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

18. It's a shame

I'm a huge college hoops fan and Davies was an important component to BYU's success. They will certainly miss him, as was evident last night.

As for the honor code at BYU, I understand that all schools and colleges have honor codes and such. I think that most people would reasonably agree that the BYU honor code is ridiculous. Certainly, anyone who thinks about enrolling at BYU is aware of the code and knows that failure to abide by it is a recipe for disaster.

But is having premarital sex a good reason to dismiss a player from the team? And the fact that he was not dismissed from school to me sounds a bit hypocritical... after all, he wasn't having sex with Jimmer (insert a score joke here), so why, if BYU is really enforcing its code, was Davies just suspended from the team and not from the whole school?

I clearly see a contradiction or a little hypocrisy in BYU here.

But, BYU still has a very good chance to make a good run in the tournament. I still don't think a number 1 seed is out of the question especially since there are only two sure no. 1 seeds so far (Ohio St. and Kansas for certain).

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

20. a bit further...

I realize that Davies' dismissal is under review, and that he could potentially be kicked out of school, but the hypocrisy I see is this one: if he has violated the code (rumors have it that his girlfriend is pregnant, that her roommate turned them in and then he voluntarily turned himself in), then it should be an automatic dismissal from the school. If that had been a regular non-athlete student, wouldn't that student have been kicked out already?

[speltwon]

40. I don't know. Do you?

Do they have a policy of progressive discipline or zero tolerance you're kicked out if you break this policy no exceptions?

I don't know. Do you? I'm not going to assume. I am going to say that BYU has the authority to have this stupid policy, and it's just one reason why I never would have considered BYU. There is a time and a place for premarital sex. It's called college.

:)

[tigereye]

86. highly doubt if they will be a 1 seed

not after last night anyway...

[ReggieVeggie]

21. no human sexuality class demonstrations here!

:eyes:

[jdlh8894]

23. Sounds like they are not needed! LOL

[ReggieVeggie]

28. what do they do when they ARE married?

"Honey? What do I do with this?"

[jdlh8894]

29. You sure you want the answer to that?

I can tell you what my wife says!

[AngryOldDem]

25. It's what you step up to when you go to BYU.

Apparently he made the commitment and broke it. Like it or not, the Mormons have their code of conduct and you either follow it or leave.

This happened a few years back when I BYU student was cast on MTV's The Real World. The school took exception to it and the kid left the school.

[RCC]

102. Not a black or white thing

Exactly Old Dem. Her name was Julie and born and bred in Utah coming from a few generations of Mormons, and very Caucasian. She was originally suspended and about to be expelled from BYU after the episode of her sleeping in the same bed with her gay roommate aired. She and her family fought about it and she finally became so angry she decided not to fight any further, because they were about to expel her. BYU is no joke when it comes to living the clean life expected and they make you sign a contract you will live this life. I lasted only a semester. I kept the law of chastity and many other rules expected from the Church, but liked a cocktail. I decided not to return for fear of embarassing my family if they found out. This was back in the 80's and nothing has changed at BYU to this day. Davies knew what he was getting into. They make it very, very clear what is expected of all students.

[rusty fender]

30. As a Lobo fan, I say we

should invite(recruit) him to play for UNM. :bounce:

[tjwash]

32. Hell no...we get dibs on him at SDSU

:hi:

[tigereye]

87. ha!

:D That game the other night was excellent. Very exciting.

[rusty fender]

101. But can you offer him all the amenities of

Albaturkey?:eyes:

All you have are beautiful beaches and great weather to entice him with...okay, you win!

I'll be in Vegas for the MWC Tourney next week; I'll root for SDSU against everyone except the Lobos--good luck!:)

[HughBeaumont]

31. Having sex is a "mistake"?

[VoteProgressive]

33. He knew the rules when he enrolled. The school should decide.

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[Pacifist Patriot]

36. I'm just trying to wrap my brain around a college experience that doesn't include...

alcohol, caffeine and sex. ;-)

[Ichingcarpenter]

"they make a commitment when they come,"

I love to quote the school





I couldn't help it.

[MilesColtrane]

42. Look at it like this.

He's learning a harsh, but valuable lesson about the consequences of breaching a contract.

It's a ridiculous rule, but that's the way Mormons (claim they) roll.

[stevenleser]

46. I guess this is how BYU demonstrates the Christian ethic of forgiveness?

I dont begrudge BYU to have the rule, I object to the educational institution equivalent sentence of capital punishment upon the breaking of the rule.

And these are basically two kids who have been so punished, had their higher education affected, potential future employment and all the rest and they are pregnant.

Remind me to oppose anything and everything about BYU in the future.

[Renew Deal]

60. .

[Renew Deal]

57. The ACC or Big East will be happy to take this kid next year.

:shrug:

[MadBadger]

73. Not if the Big Ten gets him first

[rucky]

66. But he did it missionary style

:shrug:

[tigereye]

89. snort..

[treestar]

69. This is BYU

He should have gone to a different university. There are plenty of universities where this is not a problem.

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[Sheepshank]

85. Apparenlty football players were exempt

McMahon, flaunted drinking and sex and was retained with no questions asked. Little hypocritical one would think. Besides, I'm pretty sure they all believe in divine forgiveness...who are they to superscede, rather than uphold?

[Common Sense Party]

94. "were" being the operative word. The McMahon era was nearly 30

years ago. Google Harvey Unga.

[Xithras]

95. If you go to a fundie religious school, you can't complain about the fundie religious rules.

That's like enrolling at Oral Roberts University and complaining that they penalized you for wearing a "Jesus Was A Fraud" t-shirt. Fundie schools are NOT progressive, liberal places.

And please don't tell me that BYU isn't a fundie school. It's exceptionally hard to land a teaching position there if you aren't LDS (basically, you must ALREADY be noted in your field before they'll even give you the time of day), and all LDS faculty are required to have current temple recommendations to hold their jobs. To get a temple recommend, you must be an observant Mormon. Jack Mormons, and Mormons who only attend on holidays and at funerals, need not apply (temple recommendations are handed out by the bishops, and can only be obtained if they consider you to be an observant and active member of the church).

BYU is wholly owned by the Mormon church, and they run it according to their own rules.

[JCMach1]

96. Students should start an I'm a Fornicator Too Campaign

and get this silliness changed!

[BeeBee]

98. Hmm. How did the school find out? n/t

[Biker13]

99. We're In Idaho

Mormon country. Biker13 has always told me, "If you go fishing with Mormons, alway go with two. If you go with only one, he'll drink all your beer."

We call them "Sunday Mormons" You wouldn't believe the hypocrisy out here.

Biker's Old Lady

[Major Hogwash]

100. I have lived north of Utah for many years and I didn't know that was a rule at BYU.

Man, no wonder none of my friends went there!
Abstain from sex?

Hell, man, that was what college was for!!!

Or so I heard.