Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 14 (or 16*), Part 8

[Catherina]

Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 14 (or 16*), Part 8

Today's threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7

#Feb17 Youth organizers invite Gaddafi's collaborators to stand under his umbrella ella ella ella ella ella http://bit.ly/faa34E

"We have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C. Plan A is to live and die in Libya. Plan B is to live and die in Libya. Plan C is to live and die in Libya."
- Saif Islam Qaddafi during interview

*I called this Day 14 because the official start date was #Feb17 but the kickoff was 2 days early so in reality today is day 14.

Previous Day 13 threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5

The world’s 100 largest arms dealers, excluding Chinese vendors, sold weapons for $401 billion in 2009, with US vendors in first place

Threads for Days 1-13 are in my journal

"I was born in Tunisia, I persevered in Egypt, I sacrificed myself in Libya, I have fought in Yemen&Bahrain. I am Freedom, I will not die."
- Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub

LibyanThinker The Libyan Thinker
Remains of Soldiers Burned to Death for Not Shooting Protesters in #Libya http://www.twitvid.com/YXKOT & http://tinyurl.com/4d6a57n

MAP of Protests across the Middle East


Click here for updated and interactive map
Google Earth DL here to see positions of army and patrolling route of mercenaries

Please rec if you read these so I know if the effort here is worth it.

[pinboy3niner]

1. K&R

[Catherina]

2. Amazing 2 think that revos using same fighting tactics Omar Mukhtar used against Italians

LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com
A thought: Amazing to think that the revolutionaries are using the same fighting tactics as Omar Mukhtar used against Italians #feb17 #libya
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[Catherina]

3. Image of fuel tanker that exploded in Tripoli this morning

feb17libya Feb17Libya
#Feb17 #Libya Image: Fuel tanker explodes in Tripoli http://f.ast.ly/q7cAy
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Image: Fuel tanker explodes in Tripoli
Posted on March 2, 2011 by v1d



http://feb17.info/videos/image-fuel-tanker-explodes-in-tripoli/

[joshcryer]

8. Compare to Gaddafi's bombing:

:D

[Catherina]

10. That's the one @bencnn said just kicked sand up

I think even the pilots who are still *faithful* 2 him are balking at killing ppl. I shudder to think what will happen when one of those pilots doesn't balk.

[joshcryer]

12. If it hit pavement it probably would've killed dozens, the sand absorbed it good.

[Catherina]

15. Think it missed deliberately? Or accidentally? n/t

[joshcryer]

17. Hard to tell from video, possibly deliberately, but if he was banking when he dropped the bomb...

...it would've missed like it did, could've been a miscalculation. Maybe a little bit of both, decided he didn't want to kill people just standing around filming, but was ordered to fire, so he banked hard just as he fired, so that the people on the ground giving the orders would be pleased that he fired.

[bobbolink]

26. I cannot imagine what it is like to live in a war zone.

I think of the children who are frightened to death, having nightmares, and will be scarred from this the rest of their lives.

Fuck you, Ghaddafi!

[joshcryer]

28. I barely survived being shot at a year and a few months ago, missed me by inches.

I didn't sleep well for weeks and I still have issues with it. (Charted the trajectory with the bullet hole with yarn and it missed my head by inches.)

I can only barely imagine what it must be like, and do not wish that upon anyone. Gaddafi should've stepped down days ago if he knew what was right for his people.

[bobbolink]

31. I'm sorry, josh. We want to claim that humans are so strong, but in reality we are fragile

and we need to learn to respect that fragility.

Heh.... good words, eh?

We can do so much more with the money and energy we put into destroying each other!

I wish you well, and hope that the effects diminish quickly... and that you find peace for the effects that linger. :hug:

[joshcryer]

37. Eh, I lost a year being hung up on it, but it was a good thing.

I saved a lot of money and that year went by quick! :)

But yeah I shook myself out of it. I can be obsessive compulsive and when I plotted the trajectory and timing of the whole thing (I'd sat down about 5 seconds before the bullet hit) it became something of a burden.

It just makes me feel so much more for these people. Imagine being the first protesters and half of your comrades fall to the ground, dead (one of the first Libyan videos released, before it became an uprising). How those young people will survive with that emotional impact is hard to fathom.

[bobbolink]

41. I'm not willing to negatively label something like that, and I think your reaction is typical.

I think we need to learn to be more understanding of ourselves in trauma, and more understanding of others.

Yes, a whole generation is traumatized. I know from history that there are also good outcomes from that (like Europeans being more community oriented and more compassionate because of WWII), but there are results that will last from this generation through the next one, too.

At least I think this is drawing the people closer together, and they don't have the Rugged Individualism that we are saddled with, so they will take better care of those affected, I'm guessing.

[pinboy3niner]

42. It's hard enough on adults, let alone kids

I've been to war, was shot and seriously woundled by AK fire, and was profoundly affected by my war experience.

It breaks my heart to think of a child having to struggle with war trauma--physical and/or psychological.

[joshcryer]

45. Respect pinboy3niner. You rock dude.

I cannot comprehend how it must've been. I'm glad you seem to be doing great considering your circumstance. :hug:

[Catherina]

4. current time in Tripoli is 4:15 AM on Thursday, 3 March 2011

TimeInLibya Time In Libya
#Libya The current time in Tripoli is 4:00 AM on Thursday, 3 March 2011
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[defendandprotect]

34. LIBYA HURRA -- !!

[Catherina]

5. BREAKING: Huge explosions reported in Benghazi right now, from numerous sources

SaloumehZ SaloumehZ
RT @ShababLibya BREAKING: Huge explosions reported in Benghazi right now, from numerous sources, we will try to find out what this is #Libya
8 minutes ago

[Catherina]

6. Breaking: #G is going hard against #Brega right now! Brega asks 4 help.

SaloumehZ SaloumehZ
RT @Case_Orange Breaking News!!! #Gaddafi is going hard against #Brega right now! Brega asks 4 help. #Libya
11 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Catherina]

7. If anyone knows non-profit law or knows someone who does and can help me out please message me ASAP.

AliLePointe Jibreel
My tweepers! I need your help! If anyone knows non-profit law or knows someone who does and can help me out please message me ASAP.
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[sasha031]

14. put this post on general discussion Catherina

I'm sure you will get a response there, someone must be involved with law.

[Catherina]

9. Statement regarding kidnapping of Dr. AbdulRahman Sowaihili

LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com
Statement regarding kidnapping of Dr. AbdulRahman Sowaihili - #feb17 #libya - libyafeb17.com/2011/03/statem…
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Statement regarding kidnapping of Dr. Abdul Rahman Sowaihili
Posted on March 3, 2011 by admin


ArRaqeeb Foundation for Human Rights has followed with grave concern the news of the raid on the house of researcher and academic Dr. Abdul Rahman Sowaihili who was arrested early Monday in his home situated in Ain Zarah southeast Tripoli. He was arrested with his son Ishtewi who is 25 years old. Previously, his two other sons were also arrested: Khaleel Sowaihili, 31 years old and Mohammed, 19 years old. The house of Dr Sowaihili was raided in a barbaric manner and they did not even grant him the opportunity to arrange his personal belongings. They also wreaked havoc in the house and destroyed it.

ArRaqeeb Foundation strongly condemns this act which is contrary to the most basic human rights and considers it a confiscation of freedoms and civil rights. All this while knowing that Dr Sowaihili had interacted via telephone with several satellite channels, condemning the conduct of the regime and its reaction against the peaceful demonstrations which were calling for legitimate rights guaranteed by all laws and all international constitutions. ArRaqeeb Foundation calls the Libyan regime, its security forces and the mercenaries to the following:

1. The immediate release of Dr. AbdulRahman Sowaihili and his three children unconditionally, and to identify the places of their detention and for their return back to their family.
2. The regime bears the responsibility for any harm that may have been inflicted upon him or his children
3. To stop kidnappings and raids on the homes of civilians without justification.

ArRaqeeb Foundation also calls on Human Rights organisations and international and regional humanitarian agencies to put pressure on this regime which is indifferent to anything related to humanity. The regime which has committed massacres and transgressed against unarmed citizens who are demanding their most basic rights.

Executive committee of the ArRaqeeb Foundation for Human Rights
03/03/2011

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/03/statement-regarding-kidnapping-of-dr-abdulrahman-sowaihili/

[sasha031]

18. these psychotic bastards

[defendandprotect]

36. K/R

[joshcryer]

11. AJE: video of bombing (pic posted up thread):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAXxL-MtYEk

[Catherina]

13. Blog post: Hypocrisy trumps policy in Western alliance with Libya

hurriya G.P.F. - Hurriya
RT @antloewenstein Blog post: Hypocrisy trumps policy in Western alliance with Libya http://bit.ly/gAHGBK
3 minutes ago

Hypocrisy trumps policy in Western alliance with Libya
Published on 3 March 2011

My following article appears today on ABC’s The Drum:

...

But it’s remarkable to watch how quickly Western leaders and commentators, many of whom have celebrated the increasing ties between them and Gaddafi, are suddenly calling for his departure.

It was seemingly only yesterday that a newfound, supposedly reliable ally in the “war on terror” had come in from the cold, rejected terrorism, ditched a nuclear program, given information about Pakistan’s covert nuclear program under AQ Khan and perhaps most importantly opened up Libya for Western businesses. The EU was only recently so keen to sell arms to Tripoli.

...

The current British government of David Cameron has at least acknowledged the moral bankruptcy of backing autocrats in the Middle East and not believing Arabs can rule themselves freely but his message was contradicted by travelling across the Middle East with arms dealers in tow to sell weapons to “democratic” Kuwait.

Why am I bringing all this sordid history up now? Because it shows the hypocrisy at the heart of Western political and media elites and how language is abused and selectively applied to the “good” and “evil”. Gaddafi is clearly “mad” while western presidents or prime ministers, who have caused far worse carnage in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Palestine, are still given respectful interviews in our media. It is inconceivable that an ABC or Murdoch journalist would openly call Tony Blair, Barack Obama, David Cameron or Nicholas Sarkozy a “war criminal”, even after they leave office. “We” are always better than “them”, a spurious democratic imprimatur that protects officialdom in our system. Killing literally hundreds of thousands of civilians – far in excess of anything Gaddafi could imagine – is ignored to maintain access to the powerful.

...

http://antonyloewenstein.com/2011/03/03/hypocrisy-trumps-policy-in-western-alliance-with-libya/?utm_source=Twitter%20Referral&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=Twitter

[sasha031]

19. George Bush and his entourage should be included...

[joshcryer]

21. GWB should be indicted for falsifying a war.

But it would be hard because he got our congressmen to agree to it. :puke:

[Poboy]

16. recommend

[sasha031]

20. Richard Engel just said it's a revolution not a civil war

like the French Revolution, American Rev.

[joshcryer]

23. Exactly. I hate it when people call it a "civil war."

There is one singular motive here, and it is to create democracy. Every time a town is taken and the pro-Gaddafi thugs are ousted (or convinced to join the revolution) there is no real dispute about making a better Libya.

[Catherina]

22. Men's skins have many colors, but human blood is always red

EndOppression Today I am Muslim 2
Men's skins have many colors, but human blood is always red
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[Catherina]

24. BBC News - Britain's efforts to shape the Middle East in the last century

Gheblawi Ghazi Gheblawi
BBC News - Britain's efforts to shape the Middle East in the last century http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12616565
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Britain's efforts to shape the Middle East in the last century

VIDEO (EXCELLENT IMPORTANT VIDEO)

1 March 2011 Last updated at 23:32 GMT

When historians look back at problems in the Middle East, how much will they blame the West and its efforts to shape the region over the past century?

Allan Little considers the impact of British influence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12616565

I better add now so I don't get burned later, if they veer off track, that I'm only a minute and a half into the video.

[sasha031]

38. One of Seiths spokesman are on 360 Anderson Cooper

if your interested...

listening to the spin...their still talking about pills and Al Qaeda

repeat 11pm EST
http://www.justin.tv/live_news#/w/919639696/19

[sasha031]

44. excellent historical account

[Catherina]

25. Dima on AJE right now talking about Chavez

I had the volume turned down so I could think for a few minutes so I missed the beginning. Did anyone else see it? Can you fill me in?

[joshcryer]

27. I missed it, I just saw a clip of Clinton and a Somalian talking about how Libya was not Somalia.

Rebutting the rhetoric from pro-Gaddafi groups saying that Libya would become like Somalia, with tribes fighting against one another. The Somalian pointed out that Libya has natural wealth that Somalia does not have, making the situation much different.

[Catherina]

30. Hopefully will replay it or have a video w\ it. Thanks! n/t

[pinboy3niner]

35. Here: Looks like Arab League will endorse talks:

AJE Live Blog - Libya March 3:

All times are local in Libya GMT+2)

5:04am Venezuela aims to make these 'talks about talks' turn into a concrete proposal, resulting in a commission being deputed to go to Libya and mediate between the government and the opposition forces.

Venezeula has also been in touch with several South American countries, including members of the Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA) alliance, our correspondent reports.


4:33am Dima Khatib, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Venezuela, reports that having spoken to members of President Hugo Chavez's camp, she was told that Gaddafi spoke with Chavez on Wednesday, when he agreed "in principle" to accept Venezuela's proposed mediation efforts.

Meanwhile, Nicolas Maduro, the Venezeulan foreign minister, also spoke with Arab League chief Amr Moussa on Wednesday, when Moussa told him that the league would be happy to go along with such a mediation effort.

The Arab League's endorsement of the talks could be announced in Cairo later today.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-3

[Catherina]

47. I c no better alternative. #G is a madman

Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
Fuentes del gobierno venezolano me dicen que Gaddafi ya aceptó la propuesta de comisión de paz para Libia #libya #feb17 #venezuela
7 minutes ago

Imo opinion that friends here I respect may disagree with, the one playing & winning at googlezillion dimensional chess here is Chavez. We have no credibility after our continued performance in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc, so we send warships and they're worse than not the answer. Plz excuse my rant.

[sasha031]

51. like a fool CNN on again so I missed it

the usual partisan spats
whoever that Arab is, Hoover Institute think tank, he's dangerous and Anderson gives him all the air time.

[Catherina]

55. Missed it but have only these tweets

Ur prob just as pissed off as me that criminals get any air time at all



ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
Brave voice on @AC360 revealing how the regime murdered his brother. #libya #feb17 #gaddaficrimes
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Shnesh Sarah Hnesh
my heart aches for this man on AC360 from #Tripoli, Libya...don't worry inshAllah he has not died in vain! May Allah grant him Jennah!
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[sasha031]

60. yes I heard that man, it was heartbreaking

one of Seth's henchmen was on also, Anderson get bringing up the talk of drugs.

henchman just repeats what the Regine keeps saying allot of stumbling.

he kept saying Hillary claimed that there was Al Qaeda in the country, don't think she would of said that. words probably twisted.

relieved that Chavez is involved, I have a fondness for him.

don't see how he can bargain with a madman, maybe there are miracles.

"Ur prob just as pissed off as me that criminals get any air time at all"
yes Cooper keeps that neocon on dissing the current administration.
the same people that orchestrated the fake WMD claim, the architects of the Iraq war.

[uppityperson]

29. k&r

[steve2470]

32. k&r nt

[Catherina]

33. #Zimbabwe's dictator president #Mugabe, threatens to seize foreign businesses

C0d3Fr0sty Anonymous
#Zimbabwe 's dictator president #Mugabe, threatens to seize foreign businesses http://bit.ly/i5qxt6 #Zim #Humanrights
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March 2, 2011
Zimbabwe to seize foreign businesses


(AP) HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Zimbabwe's defiant president has threatened to seize foreign businesses in retaliation for Western economic sanctions targeting him and his supporters over alleged human rights abuses in the southern African nation.

President Robert Mugabe made special mention on Wednesday of British-controlled banks and businesses, saying British interests controlled 400 businesses in the former British colony.

"It is time now to take action and to start looking at these companies we must take over," Mugabe told a rally at the start of a campaign to gather two million signatures for a national petition to take over the businesses.

He accused Barclays and the Standard Chartered banks of taking money out of Zimbabwe's economy and using it to support a British banking freeze against Zimbabwean leaders.

...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/02/ap/business/main20038540.shtml

Just grabbed 1st 4 paragraphs. What a toad.

[defendandprotect]

39. LIBYA HURRA -- !!

[Catherina]

40. Apparently Israel HAS trained some of the mercenaries in Libya - news agencies are currently >>

Tripolitanian Libyan
Apparently Israel HAS trained some of the mercenaries in #Libya - news agencies are currently investigating the details
43 minutes ago

I have news for u, it's not just Israel. And even if it were, Israel is just a loud pawn here.

[Catherina]

43. adding: don't give a f**k who mercs were trained by, want them gone, want #G gone, & want peace

Tripolitanian Libyan
To be honest, I don't give a f**k who the mercs were trained by, I want them gone, I want #Gaddafi gone, and I want #Libya to be in peace
34 minutes ago

There you go. The problem is the Arms industry, not Israel. Western govts are just as subservient to the Arms industry and using Israel govt as a willing tool here.


Tripolitanian Libyan
ANYWAY, back to whats important. I hope #Gaddafi gets a heart attack or something :P
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[joshcryer]

46. :thumbsup: Mercs need taken care of. I am glad the protesters are capturing...

...and not killing them when they can. It proves that their battle is one of revolution and not bloodlust.

[Catherina]

57. They're being very smart. Frankly, I don't think I'd have their moral strength &

capacity for forgiveness. It's downright humbling and thought-provoking in a soul-searching way.

[Catherina]

48. State TV owner: ""i want to avoid sensationalist reporting "

Shnesh Sarah Hnesh
"i want to avoid sensationalist reporting "Musa Ibrahim....Coming from a #Libyan official whose own State TV pumps out propaganda like water.
13 minutes ago

When you win the revolution, he can work for any media outlet in the US.

[joshcryer]

50. +1

[Catherina]

49. annoying how pro Gaddafi thug keeps saying "Anderson" every 2 seconds while he stumbles to respond

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
it's annoying how pro Gaddafi thug keeps saying "Anderson" every 2 seconds while he stumbles to respond @AC360 #libya #feb17 #gaddaficrimes
15 minutes ago

[Catherina]

52. Venezuelan govt in contact w\ ALBA & UNASUR & other Arab countries 4 formation of peace committee

Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
Gobierno venezolano ha estado en contacto con ALBA UNASUR y países árabes y otros para la formación de comisión de paz para #Libia #libya
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Venezuelan government has been in contact with ALBA and UNASUR and other Arab countries for the formation of peace committee to # Libya # libya

[Catherina]

53. VZ source: Gaddafi has accepted Chávez's mediation proposal. They spoke on the phone >>

Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
Venezuelan government source told me that Gaddafi has accepted Chávez's mediation proposal. They spoke on the phone #libya #feb17
7 minutes ago


Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
Venezuelan government source also told me that FM Nicolas Maduro spoke to Amro Moussa, who accepted mediation proposal too #libya #feb17
7 minutes ago

Dima_Khatib Dima Khatib أنا ديمة
Venezuelan government has been in touch with Arab countries, Latin American countries and others about the mediation proposal #libya #feb17
5 minutes ago

[sasha031]

54. this is good news

[Catherina]

56. How would u feel if this was YOUR child???

LibyanThinker The Libyan Thinker
WARNING!!!! V. GRAPHIC +18 PHOTO. How would u feel if this was YOUR child??? #Libya #Gaddafi http://yfrog.com/h8645ptj
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Pic at link. Video was posted here previously. RIP sweet child.

[sasha031]

61. my god...

I was just typing about how good it would be if Chavez was able to set up a deal.

there are no deals only total destruction of these monsters.

[Catherina]

58. Part 9 here

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x545462

[Catherina]

59. current time in Tripoli is 6:25 AM on Thursday, 3 March 2011 (goodnight)

TimeInLibya Time In Libya
#Libya The current time in Tripoli is 6:15 AM on Thursday, 3 March 2011
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Goodnight for a few hours. Tweets are pretty slow now so I want to get some sleep and be ready for tomorrow.

goodnight everyone :hi: