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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:10 AM
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Porter's Fetus Stunt Falls Flat
Edited on Wed Mar-02-11 11:10 AM by meegbear
Yesterday, we noted that Janet Porter of Faith2Action had announced that Ohio's House Health Committee would hold a hearing on her "Heartbeat Bill" which "will feature proponent testimony from the youngest to ever come before the committee--a nine-week old unborn baby."

Today, Porter's stunt was put into action and turned out to be a bust, as the heartbeat of 9-week old fetus was pretty much undetectable:

State lawmakers in Ohio have seen ultrasound images of two fetuses as proponents of what would be the most stringent abortion law in the nation pushed their proposal.

The bill would ban abortions after the first heartbeat can be medically detected.

Two young mothers were given ultrasounds in a packed room at the Statehouse as part of a House committee meeting Wednesday. The heartbeat of a fetus at 15 weeks gestation was easily detected. The heartbeat in a fetus of nine weeks gestation was difficult to detect.


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/porters-fetus-stunt-falls-flat

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:19 AM
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1. That's creepy. Where did she find two women willing to get ultrasounds in front of an audience?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:23 AM
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2. Normally, a heartbeat is checked out using a transvaginal ultrasound adapter
Edited on Wed Mar-02-11 11:24 AM by Ilsa
on the ultrasound machine. That means the ultrasound is taken using a probe that is inserted slightly into the vagina while the pregnant woman is in the Lithotomy position (yes, feet in stirrups). I seriously doubt anyone wanted to volunteer for that show & tell! They must have done abdominal ultrasounds on them.

Furthermore, I think they picked nine weeks because that is the earliest that the heart develops into four chambers. They fail to mention that neurological maturity doesn't occur for at least another two -three months.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 05:38 PM
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13. They must have been abdominal.
I had a vaginal ultrasound to check for fibroids. I'm post menopausal.

Even though I consented to it, and the lady that did it was nice, it still felt like rape. I had to stop and cry about it later. And I felt physically weaker from it.


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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 05:47 PM
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14. I've had it too, for the fertility work done for my first pregnancy, then
to check the fetal heartbeat at nine weeks.

I found it to be uncomfortable, physically and emotionally.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:25 AM
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3. Good to know that legislators in Ohio
Edited on Wed Mar-02-11 11:26 AM by Proud Liberal Dem
are busy working on creating jobs. Oh, wait a min................:banghead:

So, what did the fetuses "testify" to?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:40 AM
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6. Well hold on here...
how much did they pay the pregnant women?
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:59 AM
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8. Didn't think about that
but this was, presumably, a one-shot payment (if they did get paid)- unless they're going "on tour". :shrug: Hopefully, this whole farce will be a "jump the shark" moment for the anti-abortion crowd.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 12:01 PM
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9. depends on level of entrepreneurship of fetuses..
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 12:05 PM
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12. ..............
:rofl:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:37 AM
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4. ...



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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:38 AM
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5. These fetal personhood idiots are ridiculous.
However, they are gaining steam and need to be exposed and shut down.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 12:03 PM
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10. What's even more disconcerting IMHO
Edited on Wed Mar-02-11 12:04 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
are the attacks against birth control pills pushing the false claim that by using birth controls to protect against pregnancy and/or help women regulate their menstrual cycles, women are essentially committing abortion/infanticide and that, therefore, pharmacists can object to filling legal prescriptions for them on religious grounds. Couple that with legislation introduced in Georgia demanding that miscarriages be *investigated*, we're on a road to a very scary place indeed. Hopefully, sanity will prevail in the end
:scared:
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 12:05 PM
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11. I think every election for the past six years we've had some kind of fetal rights bill in our state.
You are right - they need to be exposed & shut down before we are living "The Handmaid's Tale."
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 11:49 AM
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7. Shhhh . . . Listen!!! Can't you hear it?
And now have I not told you that what you mistake for madness is but over-acuteness of the senses? now, I say, there came to my ears a low, dull, quick sound, such as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton. I knew that sound well too. It was the beating of the old man's heart.

- The Tell-Tale Heart
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 05:50 PM
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15. kick since can't rec.
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