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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:16 PM Original message |
Wow! Neither Tweety nor his guests, Howard Fineman and Josh Marshall, knew that public union |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do you think they know that Walker plans to raid |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Some of us do and this doofus is lying his head off gung-ho to |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. No, I didn't know that, altho I don't find it hard to believe! |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. where did YOU hear that |
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Skeeve (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. it's called deferred wages. |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. You can call it whatever you want. But the truth of the matter is |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. But it is a job that needs to be done, isn't it? |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Yes it is a job that needs to be done. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Well, isn't there a distinction between public unions where the government entity |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. There probably is an infinite variety in public union contracts. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. I can't see where that is a problem, tho. If the government worker provides a vital function |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. And we're paying for those billions the corporations aren't paying |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Yes anyone who pays taxes pays a share. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. if you take money and put it in a 401k is that not part of your wages?: |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. that's not how it sounds to me |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. it was a prior agreement whereby part of the pay is deferred and put in the pension fund |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. If it was entirely voluntary it would be part of your wages. |
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dmr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. The money originally came from taxes, but once the employee |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. I am in the public sector and exactly 0% of my wages come from taxes |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I'm all ears, educate me!! |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
34. No. When they negotiate a contract, they accept lower wages NOW in return for |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. I agree with everything you say. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. They earned the money so it is no longer your taxes but their salary. |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Finally, some one that understands their wages come from taxes. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Of course my wages come from taxes. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. Here is the article in Forbes |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. Matthews will have to get the message at least 20 times before it will sink in. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. Send them an E-Mail and respecftully explain the facts. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. DU is invaluable in that way. |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think this approach is a non-starter. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. based on what rationale? I don't get it... |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I think because RWingers will still see it as tax dollars going into pensions |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Then they don't think union workers work for a wage. And that is crazy. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. the winger that runs the local radio station thinks government functions should be taken over by |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Well, I don't think that fools anybody...how stupid... |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. It's similar to what progressoid hit upon but I'll expand a bit more on it. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Oh, I think it IS useful. however, if I had the power to add to the argument, I would |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:06 AM Response to Reply #35 |
51. I still don't get your original argument, maybe it's a long day or something for me. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I thought I had addressed it. However, let's just say I want to stop the dialog |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. I think anyone will see it that way |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. sure....lol |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
17. That's today's "journalism" for you. The high-priced talking heads just mouth talking points. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. And they are astonishingly IGNORANT! |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. press releases. they read press releases. it's cheap & easy. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
26. Hmmm. That doesn't sound right. I mean, what would be the point of that? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. No, and no... |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-01-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
29. K&R. (nt) |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
32. Maybe because they don't??? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Paid by employers and employees... |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Look at table on page 2 of this |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. That 5.1% is also the employee's earnings. It is in the form of contribution to the pension plan |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Do they pay FICA on that amount? |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. The money is tax deferred until it is taken as pension income then it is taxed. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
33. K&R'd |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. uh-oh... somebody figured it out, and now a right wing talking point gets destroyed |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-02-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
48. He needs to talk to Ed Schultz. He had the correct facts last night. |
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