So a few people seem to have a problem

[nadinbrzezinski]

with pointing out that the Political Elites in this country ARE TO THE RIGHT OF THE PUBLIC that elects them.

So be it... THE ARE, live with it, or not, I really do not give a fuck any more.

I am still scratching my head at some things here... but that is another matter.

Now read this again, process it, digest it.

THE POLITICAL ELITES IN THIS COUNTRY ARE TO THE RIGHT OF HER CITIZENS AND ARE ENACTING FASCIST POLICIES. THEY WANT YOU TO WORK FOR A PITTANCE AND TO BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT PARTY AT THIS MOMENT. THE ELITES ARE TO THE RIGHT OF YOU. AND THEY WILL ONLY WAKE UP WHEN THE SMELLING SALTS OF GENERAL STRIKES AND PEOPLE IN THE STREETS FINALLY HIT THEM.

This is the course of US History.

LETTERS and the ballot box ain't gonna do it.

And yes a few Dems are NOT to the right, but the LEADERSHIP is.

[leftstreet]

1. I think the majority of DUers agree

:shrug:

[polichick]

2. k&r

[el_bryanto]

3. Than I suppose they will never wake up.

Bryant

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. You know why the New Deal was ennacted?

No, it wasn't FDR's good will. It was labor unrest starting in the late 1920s... as in VERY SERIOUS labor unrest.

[FreakinDJ]

9. Back then a lot of people were SHOT during the protest

by the police and National Guard ...

But they protested for better jobs any way

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Yep

[el_bryanto]

10. I do know that - I just don't see it happening again. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. I would not bet on it

when people are sufficiently pissed and desperate and feel they don't have anything more to lose.

Talk of strikes is now happening... two weeks ago I would have called you crazy.

We are entering a period of labor unrest... I just don't think the DC critters have fully comprehended it. They won't until the first strike happens I guess

[defendandprotect]

51. Some exposure to the courage of the Egyptians and Libyans, etal would be helpful ....

one of the problems we have here at DU is that over and again you will find

DU posters expressing their FEAR of the right wing and its power in the media!!

And, FEAR of what the right wing may "say" --

While those in Egypt and Libya are putting their lives on the line to regain their

country and control over their own lives -- freedom!!

The stagnant wages of the last 40 years or so -- increasing homelessness with little

attention paid to it by the Democrats in office -- and the rising unemployment are

impacing every family -- including the compounding effects of our lack of universal

health care!!

Underlying this is the growing awareness that something is very wrong!!

We need to get rid of these voting COMPUTERS -- NOW!!


:)

[glinda]

59. Agreed on getting rid of the voting computers. We fight for zilch if they aren't gone.

[FreakinDJ]

21. Now the Working Class is divided - Saving the Corporations

But should GOP get what they want including the Union's demise and the Spending Cuts that Goldman Sachs says will reduce USA's GDP to 0.8%

don't count on it

[coalition_unwilling]

32. Do you mean "reduce annual growth in USA's GDP to 0.8%"? Technically

speaking, you cannot reduce GDP to any %. You can, by contrast, reduce actual GDP and you can reduce the growth in GDP.

According to standard economic theory, a reduction in annual growth of GDP to 0.8% would not qualify as a 'recession.' For a recession to occur, standard economic theory demands two successive quarters of negative growth in GDP.

[defendandprotect]

48. Nation isn't divided -- some are confused by right wing propaganda ...

[Truth2Tell]

64. well put nt

[NOLALady]

17. You are so right.

While MLK's movement should rightfully be credited for the passage of the Civil Rights Bill, I do believe it was the unrest of the sixties that pushed the passage.

[defendandprotect]

44. Know if it hadn't been enacted that capitalism would have been over --

New Deal was one of the greatest stimulus programs ever put in place --

economic democracy!!

[Vincardog]

4. +1 rec

[villager]

6. Letters and the ballot boxes certainly are *not* going to do it..

...and as people become "less comfortable," thanks to those very elites, they'll realize it...

[SDuderstadt]

7. What do you propose? n/t

[cognoscere]

66. Whatever is necessary. Democrats/liberals still haven't grasped

that whenever you're in a fight,battle, or any other contest with someone who plays by no rules whatsoever and you try to abide by some code of ethics,chivalry, or any other sense of honor or fair play, you're going to lose.

[SDuderstadt]

70. "Whatever is necessary"

doesn't really answer my question. I was hoping for something concrete.

[defendandprotect]

49. Let's get rid of the voting COMPUTERS and find out ------- !! ---- !!

[glinda]

60. That is incredibly important. The computers must go to insure fair elections.

There is already too much distrust in our Country. Removing the machines and really seeing the votes would go a long ways to help the Country. And remove the most conservative judges.

[defendandprotect]

65. Since the Dems have been on the losing end of these steals for decades ....

would seem natural that they would want to do something about them!

But nothing happens -- not even after 2000!! And 2004!!

[FreakinDJ]

8. Once again - Nailed it Big Time

[cali]

11. evidence?

sorry, I think this country is pretty right wing.

[Angry Dragon]

41. You could be correct

but the radical right wing still need to eat and have a place to sleep
when the rising fuel costs and rising prices start to squeeze them
they might be less right wing

[AKDavy]

12. Rec, but....

I don't like the horizontal ideological axes.

The chasm that separates the Many who toil from the Few who exploit is vertical:

Top vs Bottom
Few vs Many
Haves vs Have-Nots
Nobles vs Serfs
Tyrants vs Peasants
Rich vs Poor

It will stay this way until the moment everything changes. It will be a moment. It will be unpredicted. It won't be a Tea Party moment, it will be a let-them-eat-cake moment.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. It is the working man vs the elites

and the power of propaganda is probably starting to lose it's potency in some places.

[AKDavy]

20. I hope in enough places

I would honor any call for a national boycott or general strike.

[leftstreet]

16. +1

[HereSince1628]

18. You do realize DARPA is beta testing persona software?

DU is an ideal venue for these tests. We should expect confrontations and provocative encounters with digital agent provacatuers

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Of course, each generation sees it's own

[glinda]

61. The mods need to set up something to screen them out then somehow.

[cognoscere]

67. No problem. If someone posts an incredibly stupid idea, you know, like

most Republican ideas and talking points, they are either a Republican fool(or is that tool?) or a DARPA persona. I don't know about you but I've found arguing with fools to be like trying to teach a pig to dance - it annoys the pig and wastes your time. In any event, ignore them.

[blindpig]

19. k&r

whodda thunk?

[socialist_n_TN]

34. A few mighta thunk it pig...........

A few. :)

[Bonhomme Richard]

22. It doesn't bode well. You have a populace that is demoralized and

buying guns like crazy at the same time. I don't think it would take much of a spark.

[RKP5637]

23. EXACTLY!!! "LETTERS and the ballot box ain't gonna do it." My politicians here

could give a fuck what I think. They don't even bother to respond. They have a RW teabagger agenda and if you're not part of it then their opinion is fuck you. You're not even worthy of being dirt under their feet.

[Mnemosyne]

24. A man I've known since he was a kid, told me last night that he cannot find any work. He is

a very skilled cabinet maker, even the wealthier people around here can't hire him right now. He was almost in tears, and he's a really 'tough' biker guy. I could only hug him and say I understand.

This pot is just beginning to boil and when it finally overflows, watch out. I'm in a really red area and the unrest/anger here is palpable. I can only hope that when it does blow they go after the people responsible and not just strike out at everyone not like them.

I completely concur with your OP assessment, Nadine. Thank you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. My niece graduated college

and like many like her, she cannot find work either. It is hitting everybody and the anger is palpable... Tomorrow will be telling in so many ways

[Mnemosyne]

33. My daughter still needs to do her 200 hour unpaid internship, while raising

two children. She studied for medical office management. There are no jobs around here and it looks as if she will need to move to find employment. Unpaid internship = slavery, imho. How the hell can anyone make it?

My best wishes to your niece. This country gives little hope to our younger citizens, and even less for us middle aged folks.

Tomorrow may tell more than we ever expected. I'm a hundred miles from any of the protests and broke, but really hope everyone stays safe. I worry a bit about LRAD since Pittsburgh used it during G8. They are not afraid to use it here any longer. :scared:

Stay safe! :patriot::hug::patriot:

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Internships I have no issue

if they are used as a way for social service, alas that is not the way it works in this country.

What is funny is if I finished my history degree in Mexico and not SDSU... since I was doing that EMS shtick... well I was already doing that social service.

[bvar22]

58. Tell your niece not to worry.

Her new NAFTA job will materialize any day now.
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Yep.
Any day now.

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


"By their works you will know them."

[Kurovski]

26. Who needs money when we have all the Jesus we could ever want?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. That only works so far

Methinks we have crossed that bridge

[blindpig]

30. Material conditions trump all the blather.

When ya can't feed your kids words are meaningless. The Religious Right is a stream a mile wide and an inch deep, with a very small but toxic channel.

[ljm2002]

29. Hear, friggin' hear!!

Polls consistently show that the population favors liberal policies, yet the talking heads consistently tell us that we are a "center-right" country. They lie about popular support for various issues, and avoid reporting on the polls that show otherwise. Their interests are aligned with those of the power elite, and those interests cross party lines.

Only a very, very few of our representatives at the national level have any connection with the lives of the ordinary people they supposedly represent, they are too busy collecting $$$ from the lobbyists, and arranging for themselves and their progeny to be part of the monied class. Money and power is what it's about for the vast majority of them, even some who are relatively well intentioned don't see how their perceptions have been warped by living in D.C. and being part of the system that has been wholly corrupted by $$ and corporate/military influence.

The little people are starting to wake up to the reality. Right-wingers tend to see it only when it is Democrats doing it, while left-wingers tend to see it only when it is Republicans doing it. What needs to happen is for the left/right lines to blur, allowing the upper-class/middle-to-lower-class lines to come into sharp focus. Which I believe is happening as we speak. Notice that the Wisconsin police officers are planning to join protesters in occupying the state house during off hours -- an unlikely alliance, one would have thought, and one would have been correct a month ago.

The sands are shifting...

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Yes the sands have shifted...

[glinda]

62. We need better media outlets.

[Raine]

35. Totally agree! nt

[Desertrose]

37. Totally agree with this. nt

[Obamanaut]

38. "Now read this again, process it, digest it." Does this tactic really work

when one is attempting to convince people of something?

[Name removed]

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[louslobbs]

53. That's your story Sid and you are entitled to it

some people feel inadequate about their own way of being and tend to hear and read things in a way that offends them so that they can feel better about their lack of understanding someone else's way of communicating. So a post read a certain way, can have the reader creating a story about the post sounding as though the person is a "condescending know it all" simply by the meaning and emotion the reader puts into it. Read the post without creating a story or putting your own meaning into it and it says what it says. I'm am not saying that it could not be taken that way, but it's all about the emotion of the reader, not the communication skills of the poster in this case.
Lou

[SidDithers]

56. And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...nt

Sid

[louslobbs]

46. Yes it does, but only if you don't create a story about what the poster

meant. If we are meaning making machines, which we are, then how you read what someone writes, all depends on the meaning you are putting into it as you read it. What I read was, she was trying to make a strong point and using all caps, I figured she is as frustrated as the rest of us about people really not getting what is happening to our country and wants to shout it out to wake us up. I certainly could put other meaning into the way her post was presented, but I chose to read it without creating a story about the posters tactical skills and whether they work. It worked for me and I got the point, perhaps it doesn't work for others.
Lou

[Name removed]

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[datasuspect]

57. it was what created this country.

our founding ideals were formed during revolutionary times. outright revolt against the british government.

[Bake]

39. Bada bing!

You nailed it.

Bake

[Angry Dragon]

40. K&R

[louslobbs]

42. Wow! +1 wish it could be as many recs as the Koch Brothers have stolen dollars

a whole bunch of truth in a single post. Thank you for stating it so simple and to the point. I could not agree more. History backs up all that you have stated.

Lou

[nadinbrzezinski]

Welcome to DU

[louslobbs]

55. Thank you, glad to know you.

Lou

[socialist_n_TN]

43. I can't disagree with any of this nadin..........

Kick.

[defendandprotect]

47. ALL of the politicians are to the right of the public -- this is a liberal nation ---

and that's proven over and over again by the right wing --

the only way the right wing can rise is via political violence -- stolen elections --

and lies --

and we've had more than 50+ years of out in the open rw political violence.


Additionally, if this were in any sense even a mildly conservative nation, there would

be no need for the right wing to create and finance its many right wing operations --

from GOP start up funding for the Christian Coalition to GOP/NRA's targeting of liberals

and moderates in both parties -- and right up to the GOP/"pro-life" murderers -- and

today's T-BAGGERS!

There would be no need for right wing elites to control our free press and all media --

which they do and need to do. On and on --




Patriarchy -- and its underpinning =

Organized patriarchal religion -- and its economic invention =

Capitalism =

The Unholy Trinity

[Little Star]

52. k&r You are right my dear Nadin!

[upi402]

54. The charade is ending

They don't bother to conceal it much because it's so bad, and so near the end - that they just can't hide that fact.

[old mark]

63. K&R- This is OUR country and we want it back!

Sounds familiar, but we actually are in the right...the other side is fascist and anti American.


mark

[lunatica]

68. The new Republican governors were meant to strike the coup de gras

Unions are the last bastion and by busting them the consolidation of their power would be final.

Anyone who thinks that five new Republican governors would independently come up with union busting legislation within two months of taking office is plain stupid or just ignorant.

[felix_numinous]

69. Corporate representatives have disowned the people that disagree with the status quo,

and provide for people who enable the corruption. When there is no dialogue, people have a choice to back down all the way, or stand their ground. I am so glad to see people standing their ground. What a relief to see that. The longer people wait to do this, it will only get harder to do.