### EPIC FAIL ### Obama will be UnElectable in Next Election

[FreakinDJ]

If Obama can not support embattled working families against the RATpubliCON assault on Unions and living Wages he will be unelectable

Candidate Obama says, "Denied Right To Bargain, I'll Walk Picket Line With You"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5voSHCn6NE

[Scurrilous]

1. ROFL

:P

[Fire1]

2. You ain't lying, "Epic Fail." n/t

[blogslut]

3. Bookmarking

See you in 2012!

[FreakinDJ]

15. You did the same thing when I said ....

Nancy's Stimulus package was going to cost us the 2010 election

How is that working out for you ....

[blogslut]

18. We kept the Senate and of course, the presidency

So I think we're just fine. The house can pass all the bullshit they want but none of it will become law. See how that works?

[FreakinDJ]

19. Only because not enough seats opened up in the Senate

I wouldn't be counting my chicks just yet

[blogslut]

20. Well, you just go ahead and promote failure

I shall do the opposite. :hi:

[FreakinDJ]

21. I'm actually advocating a Wake Up Call to Pres. Obama

he needs to say some thing

I think a very large majority of Americans understand wages and living standards are under attack.

[JuniperLea]

28. Yeah, we all know you two are BFF's

And he hangs on your every word... :crazy:

You aren't saying this bullshit to Obama, you are saying it to Democrats. Who do you think you are influencing again?

[mochajava666]

49. Take it easy, Francis

Alerted

[JuniperLea]

59. Alerted for what?

Name calling? No, that's what you just did, genius.

[Ezlivin]

65. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

"And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you. "

[DeadEyeDyck]

67. You voted for Obama in 2010?

[sufrommich]

4. I'm not convinced. Perhaps if you added more inexplicable

capital letters in your next post.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. "Obama will LOSE Pennsylvania!!!!"

So sayeth every know-nothing prognosticator up to and including late October 2008.

It's quite clear that some of the most vociferous predictors on the interwebs don't know fuck all about politics.

[FreakinDJ]

9. As the RATpubliCONs play that video clip 1000s of times to let working class know

you can NOT depend on Obama

The Welfare vote alone ain't gonna get it

[JoePhilly]

36. The Union folks are in Philly and Pittsbugh ... and they will support Obama.

Having grown up in PA, and still having family and friends there now ... PA remains ... Philly to the East, Pittsburgh to the west, and ALABAMA in between.

[SidDithers]

6. Is this a parody of ODS, or the real thing?...

Sid

[dionysus]

63. come on Sid, bust it out!

:D

[uponit7771]

7. ******OBAMA SHOULD NOT STEP FOOT IN WISCONSIN RIGHT NOW*******

[Name removed]

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[FreakinDJ]

13. I was right about Nancy's Stimulus Pkg and I'm right about this

When you can pull your head out of the sand perhaps we can discuss it

[Arkana]

31. Ah, the last refuge of the Internet scoundrel in an argument.

Declare "victory", tell your opponent that they're stupid, and run away to the monkey bars.

[FreakinDJ]

35. I'm still waiting for a coherent reply from you

[Arkana]

44. To what, exactly?

All you've done is call Obama a poopyhead, stick out your tongue, and declare victory. What should my response be?

[leftstreet]

8. Only if he runs as a Democrat

IBTL

[MineralMan]

10. $^##%&EPIC FAIL)(*&_)( Misuse of hashmarks!

-50 points, too, for poor use of mixed capitalization. RATpubliCON?

:rofl:!!!11!!

[Warren DeMontague]

12. You gonna clean up all those #s and *s when you're done with this thread, young man?

Don't make me tell your father.

[LynneSin]

14. ### EPIC FAIL ### - This thread

Personally I think Obama has been cautious on this one since this is a state issue not federal. He has expressed his support of the unions but he's got his own country to run right now.

The fact that he supports repealing DOMA will probably get him re-elected in 2012. That and the fact that any real republican challenger will probably wait until 2016. I think we're going to see a bunch of Bob Doles this election.

[Champion Jack]

24. +1,000

[bdamomma]

52. yea lynnesin, I think its the whole state thing

and not a federal thing, but what's happening in Wisconsin is going to spread to other states, so when it gets to that point, will the President support workers? or will he say the same thing like his press secretary said today, everyone has to tighten their belt, looks like the belt is getting tighter around our necks, not for the upper 1%. just my two cents.

[lovuian]

16. Yep

he has touted the Republican corporate message

[Raksha]

17. K & R

[Godhumor]

22. How would the Repubs use this video? To show that he supports the unions, to show that he doesn't?

Do you think Republicans are going to try to convince unions they will promote their rights? Do you think the republican base is going to be happy with that kind of message?

What if they show it to say that Obama stands with the evil unions--do you think that will make unions less likely to vote for Obama?

You seem certain this is going to damn Obama, but I am honestly unsure how you think how the opposition party would use this to convince unions to abandon Obama in favor of Republicans who are actively and vocally trying to end union power.

[FreakinDJ]

23. To show his campaign promises don't mean SHIT

I think Hilary said it better "We need more then a colorful speech"

[Godhumor]

27. There is no crossover in the Venn diagram between the people Republicans want support from

And those they would try to gain by using a union message from the president.

"People who might be angry at the president for not more forcefully supporting the WI protests from 3 years ago, look at this video of him from 2007--why, he never joined a non-existent picket line! He lied to you! Vote for us, we, uh...well, actually we kind of hate you. I'm actually not sure what we'd offer you..."

This isn't how the Democrats and Republicans go about making ads. If anything, Republicans would use that to convince the populace that the president supports the union boogey-man, not that he didn't support them.

There is exactly one group that would use the video in the way that you suggest, which would be a fringe candidate from the left. Traditionally, they don't make any dent at all--especially with something as miniscule as a perceived (i.e. one that not everyone shares the same view on) broken campaign promise.

[Arkana]

30. Yeah, he should totally abandon his job

to go walk the picket lines!

Oh, wait...he's the President of a nation of 300 million people and a political lightning rod and could never, ever, ever, ever do this.

This is about union workers fighting for their right to collective bargaining. He steps in, and it becomes Democrats vs. Republicans. Obama vs. Walker. "BIG GUMMINT" vs. "the little guy". Guess which side wins those arguments? Like, all the time?

[JoePhilly]

40. I call PUMA alert.

Hillary is further right than Obama is.

And your need to throw in that non sequitur speaks volumes, not about Obama, but about the motivations behind this OP.

EPIC FAIL indeed.

[sharp_stick]

25. If I had a nickel for every damned time

certain posters predicted the imminent collapse of the Obama Presidency based on whatever seems to piss them off that day I'd be fucking rich by now.

EPIC FAIL? shit dude at least pretend to use it properly.

[Arkana]

26. I think you inadvertently described this whole thread there, Sparky.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

29. I'll bet you $20 right now that he will be reelected.

Put your money where your mouth is.

[Ramulux]

32. Its fucking sad

Reading other people on this site trying to defend this shit. He specifically said he would go down to ground zero of any labor movement and now he refuses to even acknowledge what they are trying to do for fear he might get labeled a liberal. Hes a pathetic politician who doesn't give a shit about working people.

[Arkana]

33. What are we defending?

The President's allowing the Wisconsin unions to keep ownership of this protest. Do you have any idea what happens if he injects himself into this discussion? Right now, the unions and labor are winning this battle. If he steps in, he would be doing Scott Walker a favor by providing him with a boogeyman--and we all know how good Republicans are at demonizing boogeymen.

Aside from public statements of support he needs to stay the fuck out of this.

[FreakinDJ]

34. Politico and Rawstory have already reported on his silence

and No. I don't think it is appropriate for Obama to go down to Ground Zero and pick up a picket sign. How ever a few words to define (Frame) the argumentas about being RIGHTS of the Working Class would go a long way to defuse the Right-Wing's lie it is about Debt/Taxes

[JoePhilly]

38. WAPO ... Obama joins Wisconsin's budget battle, opposing Republican anti-union bill

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021705494.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2011021705923

So much for his "silence" ...

Apparently, if Obama doesn't call in an air strike, he has been "silent".

[Arkana]

45. Which he has already done.

He called the governor's bill an assault on unions and their right to collective bargaining.

Not my fault you can't do a simple Google search.

[JoePhilly]

37. Yes, union folks will vote for ROMNEY or PALIN!!!!!

Talk about EPIC FAIL.

Look, if you you are sooooo smart ... simply tell us which right winger WINS in 2012.

Should be easy.

:rofl:

[Art_from_Ark]

46. There were union folks who voted for Ronald Freakin' Reagan in 1984

even after he had fired the PATCO workers 3 years earlier.

[JoePhilly]

54. Apparently you think today's Union folks are (a) stupid, and (b)

ignorant of that history.

Again ... NAME the GOP candidate that today's Union folks will back ....

Oh wait ... YOU CAN'T .... there isn't one.

Or if there was ... you would NAME THAT PERSON.

[Art_from_Ark]

56. Do you honestly believe that all union people vote in unison

and that they will always vote for the Democrat? That is naive thinking at best. Look at heavily unionized states in this country-- Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, New Jersey-- they ALL have Republican governors! And most have Republican legislatures as well! Why is that?

[JoePhilly]

60. Clearly because the GOP supports Unions more .... or ...

and try to follow me here ... even those states have less than a majority of union voters.

I grew up in PA ... the union areas are generally in PA and Pittsburgh. The middle of the state is rural and less unionized.
The unionized parts of the state vote DEM, the rural areas in the middle generally do not.

But my point, that you continue to avoid, is that UNION voters are not supporting the GOP. And there is no GOP candidate that will do anything to attract them.

[Art_from_Ark]

64. I was around a lot of union types in the '80s

Basically, they were Archie Bunker types. They loved Reagan. They hated Carter because "he was a wimp". They hated Mondale because he was "going to raise taxes". They hated Dukakis because he looked like a doofus riding in the tank. Hell, McCain got 30% of the union vote in 2008.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4035/obama_and_the_union_vote/

So really, you can't count on the union vote as being monolithic.

[JoePhilly]

66. Agree they are not monolythic ... and sure, in the past they have been

vulnerable to the kind of nationalistic bravado of Reagan and they could identify with "strength" ... and even today, you are going to lose some due to social issues (some of the Catholic Union guys I've known forever can end up there).

McCain getting 30% I think is inflated because some of the union folks I've known, and still know, saw him as a moderate. They remembered the old McCain.

In the group of GOP candidates for 2012 ... I don't see a Reagan or a McCain. In fact, pretty much every GOP Presidential hopefully as been openly hostile to Unions.

[AtomicKitten]

39. ###EPIC SQUIRREL FAIL###

[Number23]

41. Wow. Only the 332nd time this clip has been posted today. The message has gotten out, huh?

And the use of the outdated phrase "Epic Fail" is surprisingly fitting with this OP...

[joeunderdog]

42. Why would the Repukes run anyone against him?

he's making the party proud and rewarding big business and billionaires for all their hard work.

[Bucky]

43. I was skeptical of your point at first, but your use of pound signs convinced me you're right.

[SidDithers]

58. Well played, sir...

well played indeed. :thumbsup:

Sid

[Blue-Jay]

47. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Poll_Blind]

48. Well, he TALKS a big talk at least. I'll give him that.

PB

[mochajava666]

50. Time to put on those comfortable shoes

He said in 2007 that he would join the picket lines if the right to collectively bargain was threatened.

Does he have any accountability?

[WillyT]

51. K & R !!!

Apparently The PPT is on duty tonight.

:kick:

[Blue-Jay]

53. What is "PPT"?

Something nefarious?

People Paying Tolls?
Party Pants Turks?
Pom Pom Tutus?
Pretty Pink Turtles?
Putrid Panty Treat?
Poop Poop Turd?

[Blue-Jay]

55. Post Petty Tripe?

Really. What is PPT?

[madinmaryland]

57. Un-recced for you wasting Skinner's bandwidth with this post.

[Sheepshank]

61. If it wasn't for the witty responses

I would have considered this thread an epic fail.

As it stands, I'll just unrec for the op being such an unnecessary eeyore.

[dionysus]

62. bless your little heart for campaigning against obama so hard.