Public Employees give up getting paid as much as their private sector counterparts...

[WCGreen]

what they received was a good pension and good benefits.

Now because some bad mistakes were made by MANAGEMENT, the governors, these states are trying to blame the workers.

It was the governors and the legislators who made the agreements with the public employees.

Just because a new regime comes in after an election, doesn't null and void agreements that were signed and put in place by the prior regime.

[jody]

1. Plead that case before retired workers from the private sector who lost much or all their earned

benefits when their companies went bankrupt.

[sudopod]

2. they got fucked so the pubilc employees should get fucked to?

Fuck that!

Maybe we should show each other a little solidarity instead and stand against these bastards.

[jody]

5. Apparently you want people who lost their retirement benefits to pay retired public employees when

the responsible government is bankrupt.

[MattBaggins]

10. I can hire half the working class to kill the other half

still true today

[shanti]

14. divide and conquer

works everytime.

[shanti]

13. we paid for our own retirement!

i'm sorry you were screwed over, but that's what happens when you don't fight for your rights and accept the status quo!

[arbusto_baboso]

15. Fuckin 'eh! We DID pay for our own retirement.

I get sick and tired of this "My taxes pay your salary" bullshit. Well, guess what? MY taxes pay my salary, too, Asswipe!

[shanti]

20. exactly!

:thumbsup: (former CSEA member, retired on 12/31/10 after 21 years)

[arbusto_baboso]

21. If you're ever in my area of SoCal, I'd love to treat a fellow union member to a drink.

[shanti]

37. i may just

take you up on that one day! :thumbsup:

[sudopod]

22. It's not the retirees fault that Republicans manufactured a crisis. nt

[CTyankee]

4. So the best thing we can do is join together in solidarity...let's not get

splintered off, public and private workers. We are all workers. Our work has value. We need to unite not divide ourselves. That's what the repukes want us to do, divide among ourselves. It's called "the politics of resentment."

[jody]

7. OK "We are all workers" but some produce products & services for profit and others are paid from the

sweat and toil of those in the private sector.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

26. That talking point is being spread by the right

it is toxic.

These people do not realize that it is public employees who sit on their asses while the roads get fixed... :sarcasm:

What is funny is that they have transformed a true leninist talking point... the rentier class are parasites (that be investors in modern lingo) into public employees, Methinks some of our private sector workers do not realize it is time to FIGHT and not attack fellow workers.

[eleny]

17. Firemen don't sweat and toil? You've got more nerve than brains.

[sudopod]

23. Way to play those in-group / out-group dynamics there.

Did you get training for that?

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Hey Jody that public road you drive on

was not produced by magic, you dig?

Oh and please do not bother calling the firemen... they are awful public workers.

I could go on.

:shakes head: Those are Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh talking points, and THEY ARE FUCKING TOXIC

[arbusto_baboso]

32. Don't bother with this one. He just hates civil service folk.

I guess a sanitation worker killed his paw, or something. Nothing else explain the blatant prejudice that's willing to lie and distort fact.

[Brickbat]

6. Both sides got fucked when the PBGC was wrecked. There's no race for fuckedness.

[WCGreen]

8. It's apples and oranges....

This is a contract situation not only between the workers and the government but between the people who pay taxes and expect their states to provide a service...

[jody]

11. Not apples and oranges, its bull shit. In some cases public employee unions have got in bed

with the candidates they elected.

It's no secret in one state a high school graduate can become a public employee at 20 and receive around $150k for life at age 50 upon retirement with full medical and dental coverage.

In the meantime workers in the private sector earn meager wages and few benefits and are mad as hell at public employees.

[arbusto_baboso]

12. Link please, or you're spouting bullshit.

[shanti]

16. exactly, total BULLSHIT

these are not democratic principles being spouted.

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[jody]

28. Link below for a start and then educate yourself.

http://www.porac.org/[e-mail]

[arbusto_baboso]

29. So, Bell proves you're right? Sorry, buddy. Those were ELECTED officials.

And guess what? Lots of cities and counties in Cali aren't part of CalPers.

Do you ever get tired of being so wrong so consistently?

[jody]

30. If you read the material, then why do you ignore what you read? n/t

[arbusto_baboso]

31. Why are you claiming the material supports points it does not?

[LanternWaste]

33. Is that standard or an aberration?

Is that standard or an aberration?

I can link you to a story about a 75 year old grandmother who fought off a bank heist with her purse... is that a standard practice or an aberration?

Just a friendly suggestion-- read about inductive and deductive reasoning. Pulling a red marble out of a barrel of marbles does not mean all the marbles are red. :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. But they are SHINY... ooophh SHINY.

[arbusto_baboso]

35. He confuses data with causation. And even his data is incomplete.

Anyone can cherry-pick info to support his opinion. It's about a preponderence of evidence. And further, the methodology by which data is gathered matters a great deal, too. Unless, of course, you just have great big nasty axe to grind against organized labor.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. I vote for that axe

:-)

[robertpaulsen]

24. One of the most disgusting REICH-WING TALKING POINTS I've ever seen peddled on DU.

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[arbusto_baboso]

25. The poster never answers direct questions put to him, either.

Why should he deviate from the script provided to him by the Corporate Media, after all?

[WCGreen]

38. Well Duh just as people who are getting social security ....

that has nothing to do with what was promised, what was paid for and what is expected.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Seems like the Management doesn't know anything about responsibility.

So then they take it out on the public employees.

Those governors are nothing more than a bunch of bastards, brass-plated bastards.

Recommended, because your writing deserves it.

[shanti]

18. and we californians know this

after having suffered for 7 years under GAS who with pete wilson, was hellbent on destroying our unions! i'm happily retired now, but he pushed me out of state service far earlier than i had planned to.


(wow, look at all those hearts! :)