I will make a prediction now... we enter the violent stage of this

[nadinbrzezinski]

it really depends how things go and what sides upper echelons take... just how violent.

We will see something really ugly now.

[Fuzz]

1. I just posted on another thread, Look out fan, shit is heading your way.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Good news, we have distance from that shit

but yes, that is coming.

DUCK!!!!!

[WinkyDink]

90. It already has become so, on TPTB's side.

[RegieRocker]

91. Lol we are dealing with a slow poison, yea that is much better.

[GliderGuider]

3. I agree. How many will have to die to get Hosni to his lamp post? nt

[L. Coyote]

102. I predict he will resign before sunset tomorrow.

Hindsight! :rofl:

[Cleita]

4. Yep, it looks like they might crack down on

the protestors if they don't make nice. What could derail this is if the majority of the rank and file military go to the side of the people, then the elitist ruling class and military brass will be standing alone and very much in the minority.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Good news, many of those officers were trained

in civilian colleges... and OUR colleges... so perhaps that will happen.

They did that for the same reason that we have an ROTC program.

[MineralMan]

6. Not another prediction, please...

Watch. Wait. What will happen will happen. Predictions are valueless when you're far from the location.

[madokie]

18. Its easy to make prediction when one has the luxury of distance

as the predictors do here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Would a young Egyptian who says his Father's department

in the Ministry saying it is a matter of time serve as not distant enough?

[MineralMan]

32. I have no idea what you are talking about, where you heard that,

or if it was first, second, or third hand information. So, since most predictions have been incorrect, I think it's time to stop making them.

Our information is sketchy, comes from a long distance, and the sources are questionable. Watch. Wait.

[MineralMan]

28. Indeed. Most of the information that is available is second hand,

at best, and often contradictory. Accurate predictions are impossible.

[MadHound]

7. Why do you think that this will turn violent?

Really now, that is the fear, fear, fear that the MSM and the right have been pushing since this thing began, yet the protesters have remained amazingly peaceful, especially given the provocations of the government.

The protesters hold the upper hand right now. The army has come out, early and often, stating that they're not going to open fire on the protesters. That really neuters Mubarak and his supporters. The police have faded from the picture. The thug mobs of Mubarak supporters didn't work, and were a huge PR disaster for Mubarak.

Meanwhile, the protests and strikes are growing and growing, and as they grow, they have essentially cut the economic legs out from under Mubarak. There is no tourism revenue. The Suez is dramatically slowed down, if not shut down, so that revenue is gone. Egypt's industry is out due to increasing strikes, as is their oil and natural gas revenue. That's it, that's all the economy, right now in the hands of the protesters.

So really, with the army not enforcing Mubarak's will, with the people now in control of the economy, Mubarak is nothing but bluster and hot air. All the people have to do is sit him out. They know this, just as they know that they don't have to turn to violence.

Unless the police come back into play, or the mob thugs, things don't have to get ugly. Mubarak isn't in control, the people are. They just have to wait for Mubarak to vacate the premises.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. It is no the protesters who will want to go there

But right now I am betting there is quite a bit of jockeying in the military and police apparatus, to see whether there is a crack down or not.

Some of that violence may be behind closed doors, as factions lose that battle. Oh and there is a level of anger in the streets that may easily go into violence as well

[loudsue]

12. I wish you were right, Mad, but I have to agree w/ Nadin here....

He's not giving the people a way out of this. He just slapped them in the face. Angry mobs don't get slapped in the face without consequence anywhere in the world, ever in history. Some of those hundreds of thousands of angry people have had about enough, and have admitted they are ready to die for Egypt. Mubarak just told 'em to bring it. I don't see how they CAN'T bring it, now.

[MadHound]

20. Look at your history,

Did Indians "bring it" as the British continued to slap them in the face, time and again? What about the Poles during their break up with the Soviets? What about our own civil rights protesters.

Why do we continue to keep up this narrative of people turning violent when they are pursuing their civil liberties, when they are pursuing democracy for themselves? Does it harken back to some colonial mentality we have, what?

Are Egyptians pissed, I'm sure they are, I know I would be. But I imagine that they also know that they hold all the cards, and all they have to do now is keep the pressure up and wait Mubarak out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Look at that history

it is not the people who will go there, most likely, it IS the security apparatus.

Poles had to contend with their secret police, the KGB\NKVD or whatever they call themselves these days are still nasty, and it includes a whole parallel world, the Gulag Archipelago as far as Russia is concerned.

Indians had to contend with British security services, who DID turn violent.

So that is what I am saying. Thinking that this will not happen now, is naive. We have entered the violent stage,

[sabrina 1]

70. Good post, thank you! n/t

[SidDithers]

88. Good post...

:thumbsup:

Sid

[Codeine]

111. You were correct, sir. nt

[Bluebear]

21. Just reported, protesters are marching to Presidential palace. I wonder why?

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. That will be interesting to watch.

State TV is where they are going.

[sabrina 1]

71. They are at both the State Tv building AND the Presidential Palace.

[Poboy]

30. Early Valentine's gift? Flower delivery?

[Bluebear]

31. Candy-gram!

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. RLOL

[madokie]

50. If there is violence it won't be the protesters

same as here back in the anti-vietnam era, it'll be those in power doing the instigating
Methinks

[hobbit709]

8. "Is that Paris burning, is the Bastille falling down?"

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. It could easily be... Prague, or even berlin

[hobbit709]

14. Hopefully it will be but I'm not betting against Paris or St. Petersburg.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. St. Petersburg will depend on what Junior Ranks do

[robdogbucky]

23. nadin, stop, take a breath and watch a feature from AlJazeera

this was on yesterday and I mentioned it here earlier today. This is a different group of protestors. I provide a link that describes who they are, what they have learned on their way to this day, and that the youth, the April 16 movement and most importantly the apparently secular, truly freedom-bound effort, led by determined young people from all walks of life, has gotten this far and can point to their organization and discipline as key to much of the progress thus far:

Egypt: Seeds of change

People & Power reveals the story behind the unprecedented political protests in Egypt.

It is widely accepted that the spark for the recent dramatic events in Egypt came from last month's uprising in Tunisia. If people power could bring down one regime perhaps it could do the same elsewhere. Many of the necessary conditions were already in place: public fury at years of political repression, an economy that rewarded a corrupt elite and kept a majority in poverty, and widespread loathing for a leader clinging to office.

Could Egyptians be persuaded to overcome 30 years of fear and apathy and take to the streets?

It is no accident that this question has been answered, emphatically. Over the course of a remarkable fortnight, People & Power has been filming exclusively behind the scenes with a core group of young activists from the April 6th opposition movement. As Elizabeth Jones reveals, they have spent a long time planning and organising for these momentous days, taking lessons from other revolutions about how to mobilise popular support.

This episode of People & Power can be seen from Wednesday, February 9, at the following times GMT: Wednesday: 2230; Thursday: 0930; Friday: 0330; Saturday: 1630; Sunday: 2230; Monday: 0930.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2011/02/201128145549829916.html#



Watch this and see the determined, disciplined young men AND women that are leading this movement.

Impressive to say the least and a stellar example how it can evolve out of the working class and unions.


rdb

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Why I mentioned Berlin, it was MOSTLY peaceful

The Prague Spring WAS peaceful until the Red Army came in.

[robdogbucky]

41. But your thread title says

"...as we enter the violent stage..."

And then the content of your initial message was:

"...We will see something really ugly now."


Excuse me for not knowing which message your sending.

This program I linked and excerpted sure enlightened me. Why not watch it? This movement did start with a labor strike in 2008 and has maintained the non-violent methods taught to them by Serbians. I thought that would be of interest to you in light of your research into the history of the labor movement.

This movement has been successful being web-based in its communications and in its being non-violent. The have been taught well and they have learned well. So far I think they have also performed well. They have patience, discipline, and now momentum.

Popular revolution has its own momentum though and anything goes, I'll give you that.



Dear SOS Clinton and President Obama:

Thanks for nothing

The People of Egypt

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Try this for size... SECRET POLICE... MILITARY,

SECURITY FORCES. Listen to what Mubarak said.

UNLESS there is a real break inside the security forces, and that may be happening right now... you will see a crackdown.

Is that violent? I think so. Will the people fight back? I think so.

Do the people want to be violent? No.

The violence might be confined to the Praetorian Guard staging a violent coup... but you will see violence. We are NOW at that stage of this.

[robdogbucky]

62. So you predict no Berlin, no Prague...

Yes, Tianamen Square, yes, Honduras?

just trying to understand which you predict.

I am going to keep faith that the battle of wills now being waged will be won by the youth movement of April 6. Hopefully no bloodshed.


rdb

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. I am hopping the bloodshed

since we already have had some... is limited... and stays mostly within the praetorian guard.

So far 300 people have died.

[sabrina 1]

72. Thank you. I don't think people here were following this story

until our MSM, late as always, began covering it. If there is any violence, it will come from the regime's thugs. However, there is a division in the upper levels of government right now. All the people have to do is to continue to do what they are doing, including the plans for widespread strikes and the upper echelons will probably take care of Mubarak.

The next phase will be what to do about Suleiman who is simply not acceptable to the people. Again, they have made this clear already, so I imagine they will continue to protest, as is happening in Tunisia, until the entire regime is gone. I see no reason for violence. And the regime has been warned now that any crimes committed against unarmed citizens will be prosecuted.

[madmax]

11. On MSNBC someone called Egypt's government

a Praetorian state. Where does Egypt go from here, what type of government do the people want - a democracy such as ours?

http://books.google.com/books?id=WHMPDREKE2MC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=Praetorian+government&source=bl&ots=MsbB3ipgqS&sig=qvtVwQupxLvnetMJ5lfbo7z6cCw&hl=en&ei=YVRUTbWEK8H-8AaCzsDACQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Praetorian%20government&f=false

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. The people want a democracy

praetorian guards at times do turn on Caesar too. I wonder how much of that is ongoing behind closed doors.

[Dappleganger]

13. If they were French the city would be on fire by now...

I suspect that it won't take much time to get there after being shut down again by the Bret Favre of ME politics.

[Obamanaut]

15. I too will predict. Mubarak will come to the US for a state visit behind closed

doors, followed by photo ops on the WH lawn.

He will have gifts (read $ billions) heaped upon him. Foreign aid will double to $50 billion by 2012 per the President's campaign pledge.

Next year more people who cannot afford heating fuel will freeze, or be exceedingly uncomfortable, due to those extra dollars diverted to foreign aid rather than LIHEAP.

Business as usual will have resumed.

[cali]

19. Hundreds have already died in the violence.

it's already ugly and violent.

[Motown_Johnny]

27. +1

[Habibi]

49. Thank you. + 1000

[Joe Fields]

29. WTF kind of prediction is that? Pick a side, goddammit.

[Uzybone]

36. heads I win tails you lose

[Codeine]

39. "Someone's going to do something, and there will be some sort of consequence.

Trends. Guns of August. Typical 'Murkins."

[cali]

84. *sputter*

laughter. perfect.

[SidDithers]

86. Again, well said...nt

Sid

[Codeine]

33. I will make a prediction.

Another lecture will ensue shortly.

[MineralMan]

35. +10

And probably one based on little direct knowledge, like most of the predictions we've heard about Egypt.

[Obamanaut]

45. That response made my day. Thanks. nt

[cali]

52. .....

:rofl:

[HoosierStateDem]

66. Great Prediction

:toast:

[pecwae]

81. Or perhaps another prediction.

I know I can't wait!

[bananas]

37. Yup - everyone's predicting that

BBC: "I don't know whether the disaster will start tonight or tomorrow" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=389250&mesg_id=389277

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Well these things have a script and we have entered the part

where you see escalation. (Mostly from the security forces)

[MineralMan]

40. Well, if you predict enough things, some will come true, I suppose.

Hmph...

[kctim]

42. I wouldn't worry about violence

Why, not long ago on these very pages I read that the protestors do not have guns and they are all about peace and love. They don't need a 2nd Amendment like the majority of us fearful dumb redneck Americans believe we need.
It was their nonviolence that won and that made Hosni step down. It was nonviolence that prevented violence. Thats how revolutions are won.

You just watch, come tomorrow, the police and army will have thrown their weapons to the ground and joined the protestors in a huge peaceful and loving circle jerk right in the middle of the square.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. All your gun loving sarcasm you might be right

if the fractures between the senior and junior ranks are deep enough.

Oh and MOST revolutions do not happen with guns, but hell, I am sure you knew that. When you try yours, and you get mowed down by the Military... since at that point you are NO LONGER a civilian.

[kctim]

55. Nope

When I try mine, it will be all about peace and love.

You know what they say: A thousand martyrs are more effective than a thousand guns.

Well, that is unless you happen to be one of the martyrs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Well, I see, you learned

good.

[JackRiddler]

51. American gun fanatics live in a fantasy world, we once again see.

If only everyone on the square was armed... they would have been massacred without hesitation by the infinitely better armed army and its tanks, about 10 days ago. Some idiot would have fired at something, then many idiots would be firing at random at other gun-toting idiots, and then even your foot soldiers would feel it was justified to shut the madness down.

By the same insane logic, a hero with perfect Clint Eastwood aim always appears in the gun fanatics' fantasies, that is, if only the law would allow all citizens to carry firearms! If only it was legal to carry concealed guns, like in Arizona. Then the good guys always draw first and aim better and have the superior firepower to put down the bad guys, every time. Which is exactly what happened in Tucson and all other real-world examples (about zero percent of the time).

[kctim]

93. Aw, another fearful soul who needs glasses

It's actually quite sad to see anti rights people intentionally ignore facts to justify their own fears. Equally as sad is that THEY are the one's who create these 'fantasies' out of fear that they so like to parrot.

You see, us evil American "gun fanatics" do not condone violence as the means to protest. We realize you do not need arms to get in the streets and make the voices heard. The message understood.
Where we differ from the fearful anti rights lemmings is when it comes to what Ms. Nadine is predicting here. Is it best to have government deal only with the memory of an unarmed slaughtered martyr OR force it to deal with an armed populace willing to fight back?
We respect the right of those who wish to do the former, and only ask for them to respect our right to do the latter.

[JackRiddler]

94. Project away, o one who picks Quagmire as avatar.

[kctim]

95. Ah yes

When facts and logic won't fit into the little box, derail. Oh well. Have a good one.

[KurtNYC]

44. A different stage but "violent stage" is ongoing -- 30 yrs of torture, 300 dead

in the last 15 days. Plenty ugly already.

and in the the immortal words of gil scott heron: the revolution will not be televised

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Well these things have a script

and we have taken a turn towards Romania... instead of Indonesia.

[BOG PERSON]

48. prediction:

nobody is ever going to pay you for your ability to make correct predictions.

[grahamhgreen]

53. yup

[StarburstClock]

54. and after the violence, then what?

Will corruption and dictatorships be addressed or will another corrupt regime step in? I think an actual democracy will be established in Egypt which will bring about massive demands for other parts of the world like the U.S. that still has torture camps and unbridled corruption.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. The demonstrators want a democracy

I am not going to promise a western style one... but they will end up in that, with a new power structure and the end of this system.

[sabrina 1]

73. I hope it won't be a Western style one. I doubt that is what they want

either. Why would YOU 'promise a western democracy'? The U.S., the U.K. and several other 'western style' democracies are in the same business, in fact worse, that Mubarak was in in his own country. The go much further than he did. They are in the business of corruption, of torture, of illegal invasions of sovereign nations, of oppression and of support for some of the world's most evil men.

I sincerely hope they do not establish a 'western style' democracy. I would hope that they could do better than that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. You do realize that most folks are catching up

and do not know all you know, right? Most people think Jeffersonian Democracy, in the US JAYSUS it is that fucking basic.

And actually a BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM with a PM, a nominal president and proportional representation has been mentioned a few times. But I am sure, since you have been following this, that you KNEW THAT already. This is quite alien to Americans by the fucking way.

[sabrina 1]

79. Most Americans I know are pretty informed about what a democracy

is supposed to be. And you'd be surprised by the numbers of Americans who are very well educated about systems of government in other parts of the world. If you are talking the Fox/Beck/Palin fringes, then that's a different story. But people on Du eg, are pretty well informed from my experience.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. My experience is that DU is better educated

but Americans in general are not... unless you hang out with a very specialized, intellectual crowd.

[sabrina 1]

98. I can't say I agree with that. And no, I don't hang out wit a very

intellectual crowd at all. I am sometimes amazed at how much people know and how much I learn from them. Not everyone is looking to impress others with their knowledge so you might not always be aware of how knowledgeable people are.

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. well, you hang out in a different country than I do then

have a good life by the way.

[Codeine]

107. Perhaps the poster isn't busy lecturing, hectoring, and condenscending

and thus has time to have actual two-sided conversations with people, thereby discovering that many Americans - the ones you are so desperate to hold in contempt based entirely on their nationality - are often well-informed or at the least curious about the world around them.

That they may disagree with your views does not make them stupid, or afraid of "book learnin'," or whatever nonsense you're nattering on about between regurgitating your latest Google finds in a sad attempt to make yourself relevant and impress the lickspittles you hang on your every facile, half-baked analysis of whatever hot-button issue you've latched onto this week.

[Butch350]

58. None of you really know...

I beginning to think that no one even sees the implication of whats going in Eqypt.

Go back to your doritos and mountain dew.

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[WinkyDink]

92. Well, you could be a tad more illuminating.

[Radical Activist]

59. Obama has done a good job of making sure that won't happen.

Obama made it clear that violence will not be supported by the US. Mubarak and others in Egypt know that they can't afford the consequences of a violent crackdown.

Despite all the ridiculous spin going on to attack Obama's handling of the situation, his plain message to Egypt has been that there must be a transition to democracy and violence is unacceptable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. The crackdown may come still

listen to both Suleiman and Mubarak. It may also be an internal Praetorian Guard matter, but there will be SOME violence.

[sabrina 1]

123. Obama had nothing to do with this. In fact, there was violence,

lots of it. Unless you don't count over 300 dead, over 1,000 unaccounted for as of a day or so ago, over 1,500 injured and many more tortured and harassed and jailed. Mubarak sent out his thugs despite any requests made by the U.S. The man is a dictator. When you befriend dictators you cannot expect to stop them from slaughtering their own people if they decide to do so, and Mubarak did so.

You don't get it. Obama/America has nothing to do with this, no one in Egypt who matters cares one bit what the U.S. thinks, wants, does or wishes for in Egypt. It is not our country. And if you had been following this story you would have heard that said over and over again. This is the people's revolution and they rightly have no trust in a government that last week was still publicly calling the dictator they want to be rid of, a 'friend and ally' along with his Chief of Egypt's hated secret police, Suleiman who the WH knows was directly involved in the torture of people WE sent there to be tortured.

Where does this idea that America has to have a say in every other country's business come from? They DON'T WANT us in their business. All that happens when we interfere is that disaster occurs for the unfortunate people whose brutal dictators we support.

Mubarak and Suleiman have been here visiting this president as they did other U.S. presidents. The Egyptian people are not fools. They know the U.S. wanted Mubarak to stay but this time the people took the matter out of their hands, and Obama had no choice but to go along and try to act like the U.S. cares about democracy now that it appears to be happening in Egypt regardless of what the U.S. wanted.

[rucky]

64. Egypt or the US?

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Egypt...

[applegrove]

67. I am holding out hope that the egyptian demonstrators see that they are being

baited into acting in violent ways so the army can snuff the 'uprising'. I hope hope hope.

[readmoreoften]

68. What are they supposed to do? Wait? They will have to defend themselves..

Mubarak is going to release thugs and provocateurs. Mubarak won't step down until he's dead in the ground. He said so himself. What do millions people in Cairo do next? Nothing? And let's not forget ALEXANDRIA.

Of course it will be violent. Velvet Revolutions only happen when the imperialist-backed dictator steps down. The hope of Velvet Revolution is very close to being distinguished. Expecting the revolution to be "peaceful" is a pipe dream. Was the American Revolution a pacifist act? No. The people MUST defend themselves.

Every nation has soldiers who fight and die for basically nothing. Of course there will be supporters of democracy who are willing to fight and die for something.

The lessons of the Paris Commune are CRITICAL here. Average Parisians fought off the Royals at Versailles and signed a peace treaty with them. The Royals bought off the peasants and used Prussians to cross the ceasefire line and slaughter 30,000 men, women and children. Why didn't they fight back? In part because they were trying to "prove to the world" how peaceful they were. For that reason, since then leftist and democratic movements proclaimed a right to self-defense. I hope we don't have to turn back the clock to learn all over again why the right to self-defense against plutocrats is important.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. I hope the violence mostly stays intramural

but that does not mean there is no violence.

[sabrina 1]

74. There has already been violence, a lot of it. Over 300 dead

as far as we know and the figures are not all known yet. Torture, incarceration and harassment of people suspected of being a part of the revolt.

Of course there is violence when you try to overthrow an entrenched, Super-Power-supported brutal regime that has no qualms about killing people, nor ever did.

Not sure really what your point is. More people will die? It's likely, as they themselves have stated. So, it doesn't take a crystal ball to see that there will be more until the regime is totally defeated.

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. Yes but at this point if the violence stays intramural

aka jockeying for power, it will be violence, but not affect civilians,

If they are desperate and let the thugs out... prosecution, or no prosecution more CIVILIANS will die.

There is a difference between intramural and outside in the city.

[cali]

85. wtf? most of the dead are civilians.

and the thugs have been out for a while.

more lousy incorrect info from the OP

[Major Hogwash]

77. I hope you're wrong, we're stretched too thin as it is.

The Army is broken.
And the Army National Guard is almost broken.

Some of these guys have pulled 7 or 8 tours.
It's ridiculous.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look good over there at all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. And pray tell me why should we be sending in the cavalry?

[tavalon]

82. I have never wanted so much for you to be wrong than I do right now.

If this goes violent, I think the freedom fighters will lose this chance, slim though it may be, to take their country back.

[rucky]

83. It's all up to the Army.

They need to make a choice. They could end this now - one way or another.

[SidDithers]

87. Remember the Koreas? "This looks like war is pretty much imminent."?...

pardon me if I don't put too much faith in your predictions.

Sid

[Codeine]

113. At a certain point it seems like they're salivating for it. nt

[TheKentuckian]

89. Who thinks the powerful willingly give up the strings of power?

If the military as a whole is out of their grasp, they'll have loyalists but I hope the constrained by western air superiority and the knowledge that sorties can be launched to take out much of their heavy equipment and strategic positions from beyond the range of their anti-aircraft systems.

Armies are for holding territory, navies and air forces deal damage. I hope that the power structure in Egypt has been warned that serious acts of violence against the protesters would have consequences that would include dismantling their advantages which means the people would consume them and their wealth.

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. He just did, and I have to wonder just how

ahem... interesting and threats of violence and violence happened intramurally. He did not just step down... there were real threats.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

97. you have no clue what happened in the negotiation

why do you insist that violence either happened or was threatened?

sP

[sabrina 1]

99. Well, it looks like your prediction, happily, was wrong.

Just celebrations and joy in Egypt today ~ :bounce:

[nadinbrzezinski]

100. and you know that there was absolutely no violence and threats

of violence behind the corridors of power how?

I have no way to know that, but the body language from Suleiman told me some of that DID GO ON.

Violent phases mean just that there is violence, not where.

I have no way to know how many threats and rumors of threats happened or did not happen. Neither do you.

BUT, there is a rhythm to these things... and when the leader says I ain't gonna anywhere, when it is obvious they lost, there is usually violence, Sometimes you know of it (Caucescu) sometimes you don't... Marcos.

[uppityperson]

103. I am happy that so far today you seem to be wrong though

We do not know and people have died, there has been violence, but so far today there has not been that massive violence and crackdown we were fearing.

Nadine, may you continue to be wrong here and I'd be really happy.

This is something, isn't it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. It is and it looks like a coup as well

which means it was confined to inside the corridors of power. And for that, we can thank whoever,

[ProdigalJunkMail]

104. you've got nothing...

have no clue what happened in the negotiation. your breathless predictions have not come to pass...

sP

[cali]

105. again.

[Codeine]

106. Desperate much? nt

[TheKentuckian]

119. He did Nadin but he is just a piece of the power structure and it's face.

Replacing figureheads is not a true transition of power as anyone should be able to see and certainly should know from experience.

We have elections just about every year but the same people are always in charge and select our options.

[MadHound]

108. And you were wrong,

Thanks for playing, try again next time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. You know for sure there was no intramural violence

Okey dokey.

[MadHound]

117. You mean the intramural violence in the corridors of power?

Well, Mubarak, Suleiman and other leaders didn't wind up in the hospital, or dead. Nor did any other leaders. So yeah, unless there was a face slap-off for control of the government, I'm pretty sure there was no violence.

Why are you so invested in this notion that there had to be some sort of violence associated with the transfer of power? Are you hooked on violent political porn or what? Disappointed that you didn't see blood in the streets? You keeping banging this violence drum, even still, when it is obvious that this was a peaceful transition. I find it disturbing how you and others think that it is only white Americans who can have a peaceful transition, but brown and black skin folks must engage in violence. It is insulting to them, and vaguely racist.

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. I am not invested, but soft coups are violent events

by their very nature.

Whatever, it is all honkey dorey and nothing happened. You are right, I am wrong and I am the stupid one here,

have a good day


(For the record just because nobody ends in the hospital, that we know off... don't mean violence of some sort did not happen)

[RedCloud]

109. I predict the orgy party will take over and "walk with an erection!"

or was it walk like an Egyptian?

[killbotfactory]

110. Mubarak's thugs tried to start some shit

But the protesters were fearless and resisted, and it looks like the Army kept things from getting too out of control.

I believe the Obama admin had something to do with that, along with the unwillingness of the Army to slaughter, or stand by and watch as the secret police slaughter, their own people.

I don't think we will have to worry about anymore bloodshed for the time being.

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. What violence that there was, seems it was

a coup, was pretty much intramural as well,

PRoblem is people think when you say violent phase, that it necessarily follows in the streets. I made clear yesterday that it did not necessarily mean in the streets.

Suleiman body language this morning said that some of that shit went on, very much behind closed doors.

[WatsonT]

114. Possibly

the french revolution didn't get *really* nasty until it was won.

[tallahasseedem]

120. Good thing your "prediction"

didn't pan out.

[SidDithers]

121. Kick...nt

Sid

[RegieRocker]

122. Don't quit your day job

[Hannah Bell]

124. well, that worked out about as well as most of your predictions.