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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:38 PM
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Is the WH having a contest with the Right to see who can cut more programs for the poor and needy?
I have been reading several articles today on President Obama's plan to cut LIHEAP, the heating program for the poor. It is being rationalized and defended in every possible way.

Matthew Cooper at the National Journal has the usual take on it as one possibility. That it is a political ploy to make Obama look willing to cut even more than the teabaggers want. I heard the same kind of argument when it is pointed out that Obama is willing to (and in fact already has) start cutting Social Security.

That argument is wearing thin, and it is very tiresome. There comes a time when our party must stand for something, sometime, somewhere...instead of playing political games and trying to be even tougher than the other side.

What's the administration trying to accomplish by cutting a popular program for the poor?

When National Journal first reported that President Obama's budget will cut a popular home heating-assistance program for the poor, it got Democrats furious and pundits wondering.
The Democratic nominee for president before Obama, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., denounced the proposed cut. So did Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., and many others especially from cold weather states. After all, the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Plan is about as sacrosanct as, say, the Head Start program for low-income children.

.."Slashing the program's funding seems meant to prove a few things. It could show that the president is tough on the deficit. Even if the program costs just a few billion dollars and thus is minuscule in comparison to the deficit—let alone the national debt—it shows a degree of toughness on spending that no one has thus far seen from an Obama adminstration that came to office thinking that Keynesian pump priming was the only thing between America and the abyss.


Cooper mentions that Clinton campaigned on slashing welfare reform, and he did so. He mentions that many Republicans considered it a political repositioning. It was, and it was one that set our party on a rightward movement that it is still on today...seemingly unable to stop.

Still, each move may force a fundamental rethinking of the president who proposed it. If Obama can end LIHEAP as we know it, then it's going to be much harder to characterize him as the crazed spender of tea party fulminations. Two very different programs and circumstances, yes, but each changes the lens through which we see the president.

Of course, there is a possibility that this could become Obama's "firemen first" problem. The phrase comes from Washington editor and author Charles Peters, who has noted that when cities face budget cuts, those resisting the cuts almost always point immediately to the threat of firemen losing their jobs. The idea is to create so much fear that the cuts never go through.


I really don't care what the reasoning is behind this heartless move. Fear or politics, doesn't matter. There's enough unease and insecurity in this country now without our party's leaders making it worse.

If we don't stand for something now, we may not get the chance again.

I remember that Robert Kuttner recently used the same argument when it was clear that Social Security cuts were on the table....something we never thought would happen.

Obama to blink first on Social Security

Obama is already in trouble with older voters. Republicans have succeeded in convincing seniors that the health care reform bill diverted money from Medicare.

Consider what the right will do when Obama moves to cut Social Security. Republicans, with no sense of contradiction or hypocrisy, will whack Obama once for not being sufficiently serious about deficit reduction — then whack him again for cutting Social Security.

Destroying government’s capacity for social investment seems now only a tertiary concern for the White House — though a prime Republican goal. In this weird inversion, being willing to sacrifice the Democrats’ best-loved programs is taken as a sign of Democratic resolve.

Obama is finally getting the bipartisanship he craved — but entirely on Republican terms.

Republicans win three ways. They have a Democratic president doing their work for them, destroying the Democratic capacity to use affirmative government to address dire national problems and annihilating his own party.


At least two Democrats have spoken up against cutting the heating program to the poor. That's a better record than speaking up on Social Security cuts. In fact none are speaking up against such cuts. There is not enough outrage among our leaders, and they are going along with the misrepresentation of this vital safety net.

Greider at The Nation on how they are "reforming" Social Security without saying it out loud.

What's extraordinary about this assault on Social Security is that a Democratic president is leading it. Obama is arm in arm with GOP conservatives like Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson, who for decades has demonized Social Security as a grave threat to the Republic and has spread some $12 million among economists, think tanks, foundations and assorted front groups to sell his case. If Obama pulls the deal off, this will be his version of "Nixon goes to China"—a leader proving his manhood by going against his party's convictions. Even if he fails, the president will get some protective cover on the deficit issue. After all, he is targeting Big Government's most beloved and trusted program—the New Deal's most prominent pillar.

Obama's initiative rests on two falsehoods spread by Peterson's propaganda—the notion that Social Security somehow contributes to the swollen federal deficits and that cutting benefits will address this problem. Obama and his advisers do not say this in so many words, but their rhetoric implies that Social Security is a big source of the deficit problem. Major media promote the same falsehoods. Here is what the media don't tell you: Social Security has accumulated a massive surplus—$2.5 trillion now, rising to $4.3 trillion by 2023. This vast wealth was collected over many years from workers under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) to pay in advance for baby boom retirements. The money will cover all benefits until the 2040s—unless Congress double-crosses workers by changing the rules. This nest egg does not belong to the government; it belongs to the people who paid for it. FICA is not a tax but involuntary savings.


This is not the time to pretend to be even more heartless than the teabaggers. It is sending terrible signals to seniors and adding to stress many already feel.

So when does the rationalizing stop? The reality of what is happening is right out in the open.

Our president just agreed to cut in half the money to help needy families through the winter. There is no excuse for that.




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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:40 PM
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1. Race to the RW. n/t
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:42 PM
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2. I hope the next time I vote for a Democrat they dont end up being a Republican
Im really getting tired of the lies.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:09 PM
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10. Hell, I'd vote for Ike(R) anytime over this fraud.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:48 PM
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28. +1
Good things elections don't matter in the US, because there is no way on gods green earth I'm voting for this right-wing crony again. If I could take my vote back I would.
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wakemewhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:18 PM
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31. I feel betrayed, as well. The sad thing is...
...I would not take back my vote. As profoundly disappointed as I am with Obama/Biden, I am confident we are better off with them than we would have been with McCain/Palin. We thought we were electing left over right; turns out we were electing right over righter.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 09:02 PM
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62. "If I could take my vote back I would." So would I and I am not voting for him
in '12, assuming he runs again.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 09:29 PM
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66. Same here.
I'll sit it out, he will never get my vote again.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 09:25 PM
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65. The vote I cast for president in 2008 was the poorest judgement
I have ever used in voting because I actually believed. The only good to come out of it was now I see that voting doesn't matter ... all sides are the same. :-(
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:44 PM
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3. This certainly broadens the meaning of the phrase "die quickly"
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:54 AM
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46. !!!!!!!!!!!
:applause: :hug: :applause:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:49 PM
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4. Shameful.
Would he be in the WH today if people had known all of what we now know about his idea of representing the people? We were lied to it seems.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:55 PM
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6. In a word, no.
I feel conned, setup, betrayed.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:27 PM
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32. You and millions of others. This is not the same person who ran
for office.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:28 PM
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69. +10000000 nt
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:52 PM
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5. Cynicism at its worst....
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 03:58 PM by WCGreen
K&R
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:56 PM
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7. No race, he's running side by side with them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:58 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:04 PM
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9. Nope,
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 04:04 PM by ProSense
not even close: GOP Cuts Eliminate $1.3 Billion From Community Health Centers They Once Considered ‘Essential’

The President is trying to put together a thoughtful budget, and that doesn't mean he's abandoning social programs.

The next year's budget will be released Monday.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:21 PM
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:24 PM
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13. The poster below brings up a good point. Would you also say this to Kerry?
What is Kerry concerned for if this is just an anti-Obama thing?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:44 PM
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26. So he can't care about less fortunate?
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:40 PM
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14. "They make up a controversy, get the internet dwellers all riled up."
Really?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:01 PM
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17. Don't stress about it, the DADT repeal has yet to be implimented
and they are billing the unjustly discharged volunteers as well. So that is not even done, except in the eyes of those who chalk up victory while they are still discharging gay people. Mea culpa, for managing to get that passed? Why? And no mea culpa for making them get it implemented either. The apologies should of course come from those who harassed and discriminated against brave volunteers, don't you think? The makers of injustice should apologize, not the victims of injustice for fighting it into retreat?
And you post this to defend cutting heating benefits for the very least among us. Good show. OFA is a class act all the way. One man, one woman, grandma frozen in her bed!
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:03 PM
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18. When your life is all good, or mostly all good, it's easy to forget
there are millions of Americans who can't afford to contribute to a politician, who struggle every day to feed their children, to care for an ailing parent who's medical needs aren't covered by the medicare and social security they paid into all their working lives. Yeah, the sky is falling for them and they know their government doesn't give a darn whether they live or die - they aren't middle-class, they're poor. Move on - these are just the expendable poor - who needs them anyway?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:04 PM
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19. +1 Thank you. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:42 PM
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25. You are so right. Good points in your post.
They forget quickly once they get to DC. And even before that.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:55 PM
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16. Kerry on Liheap cuts. You posted him on rail. Here is the other.
“I’ve always supported serious efforts to restore fiscal sanity, but in the middle of a brutal, even historic, New England winter, home heating assistance is more critical than ever to the health and welfare of millions of Americans, especially senior citizens,I request that the administration preserve LIHEAP funding at least to the Fiscal Year 2010 funding at $5.1 billion when it submits its FY12 budget proposal to Congress.”

Pro, the President claims his Christianity forces him to oppose civil rights. And yet it allows him to make cuts on the least among us?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:12 PM
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21. Since you're quoting Kerry:
I am writing to express my deep concern about the potential for extreme cuts in the Low Income Home Energy Heating Assistance Program (LIHEAP) that – judging by today’s news reports – may be included in the administration’s budget request for Fiscal Year 2012.


Not sure what Kerry's letter had to do with my comment, though.

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 09:18 PM
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64. It's certainly wise to wait until we know all the details.
But the preliminary reports suggest that there are some indefensible cuts in the budget. And these reports aren't coming from unreliable douchebags at Firedog Lake and Huff Post, but rather from sources like the Christian Science Monitor and an op-ed by the director of the OMB.

Let's hope "may be included" turns into "didn't make it into" by Monday. We'll see.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:06 PM
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20. Thoughtful budget?
Who is doing the thinking? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman">Milton Friedman?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:34 PM
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33. Is cutting off life-saving necessities to the poor and the elderly
'thoughtful' now? What has happened to this party that there are actually people willing to defend this.

Do you support the cutting of LIHEAP for the poor? How will you defend that I'd like to know, from a Democratic President?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:34 AM
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42. I totally fail to understand your comment
You link to an article showing that the GOP is calling for $1.3 billion cut in Community Health Centers.

Obama is calling for a $2.5 billion cut in LIHEAP -- an action for which the GOP is criticizing him as being too large a cut:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49307.html

Yet you assert, without explanation, that "The President is trying to put together a thoughtful budget...."

How is a massive cut in spending on a program that is used to provide relief to the poor from cold, in the midst of massive tax cuts for the rich, considered "a thoughtful budget"?

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:20 PM
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53. Well said.
"You link to an article showing that the GOP is calling for $1.3 billion cut in Community Health Centers.

Obama is calling for a $2.5 billion cut in LIHEAP -- an action for which the GOP is criticizing him as being too large a cut:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49307.html

Yet you assert, without explanation, that "The President is trying to put together a thoughtful budget...."

Well said.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:30 PM
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76. Thanks For Calling This To The Poster's Attention...
You likely won't get a coherent rebut.

I really have seen a change around here. But it still doesn't hearten me. I was saying the same shit about this asshole, Barack, a long time ago but there were so many that refused to see. Now? Well, there are many more who can finally see through the smoke screen. But you still have these Republictats hanging on to their delusions. Dutifully pulling as hard as they can to the right.

This will probably get deleted. Oh well, this is Democratic "Underground" LO-FUCKIN'-L!
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JanBrady Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:06 PM
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12. It certainly appears as though he is. Democrats like John Kerry are protesting Obama's cuts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:54 PM
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15. Republican Scott Brown joins Dems in protesting cuts to LIHEAP
http://www.tauntongazette.com/campaign2010/stateoffices/x1179519395/Brown-joins-Massachusetts-Democrats-in-opposition-to-fuel-assistance-cuts

"U.S. Sen. Scott Brown joined his Democratic Congressional colleagues from Massachusetts on Thursday to oppose a proposed $2.5 billion cut by the Obama administration to home heating fuel assistance for low-income households jeopardizing aid to thousands of state residents.

With temperatures hovering below freezing, Bay State politicians urged the Obama administration to abandon its plan to slash federal home heating fuel assistance, known as the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, as the president looks to rein in the federal deficit and trim spending in his fiscal 2012 budget proposal due next week.

Obama’s budget proposal for fiscal 2012 has been reported to contain a cut of $2.5 billion to LIHEAP, a spending reduction that would reduce by half the amount of aid available to low-income residents for fuel this winter.

“I can point to countless items in the President’s budget that should be cut before LIHEAP funding. With Massachusetts residents getting pounded by brutal winter storms, cutting LIHEAP funding is a non-starter for me,” Brown said in a statement to the News Service."
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:45 PM
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27. Oh the irony.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 01:55 AM
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37. Wow. This is starting to seem scripted
hmm...
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:08 AM
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39. The scripting award for the day goes to "thoughtful budget".
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 05:16 AM by Divernan
"Thoughtful budget" is the new "Obama's a chess master,and progressive Democrats are stuck at the level of checkers."
Whomever came up with that phrase is in line for a bonus. Yes, it belongs up there with the all time greats like "collateral damage." Which is quite appropriate, if you think of it, because under Obama's administration, the poor are collateral damage.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:30 PM
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22. to be brief....

it's only the beginning....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:00 PM
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24. I think you may be right.
I think more cuts coming for the poor, but none for the wealthy. Not sure when things got so bad here. :shrug:
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:05 PM
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23. No.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:53 PM
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29. k&r
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:55 PM
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30. I actually heard the words "The impending demise of Social Security" in a commercial
The ad was for the latest "get rich quick off the bankruptcies" scheme, but it's amazing how the Big Lie is propagated.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 01:04 AM
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35. Constant media coverage like that is to prep us for the reality...
and encourage acceptance.

Scares me, quite frankly.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:46 PM
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34. In most democratic countries, the poor are taken care of
but this is America. Land of opporunities. Go make it happen. Or don't, is the message I get loud and clear from Washington D.C. Not something new but abuse for decades ands decades dating back to their Founding Father II Ronald Wilson Reagan.

The truth is the poor are valued only as clients and not humans. It would take a proactive act by some rich billionare, because the govt got out of the 'citizen' taken care business a longtime ago. If they ever did. The way the troops are treated makes me think they never cared at all.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:18 AM
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38. Here the new tendency is to blame them for being poor.
And it ain't just the Republicans doing it now. It's like a contest to see who can make the poor and needy feel most ashamed.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:16 AM
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44. It is very troubling to see, if the trend stays we are all fubard.
The middle class will evaporate faster then water in the desert. And the poor will have more and more numbers added to their numbers. We need a real leader and not a corporate yes man in office.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 01:54 AM
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36. From the CSM...cuts will be devastating.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0210/Among-Obama-s-tough-budget-cuts-money-to-help-needy-pay-for-heat

"According to supporters of the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), President Obama will propose cutting in half the budget for the program, which helps people pay their heating and cooling bills. This calendar year, some 8.9 million people are expected to ask for help with their utility bills, at a cost of $5.1 billion.Funding for LIHEAP is not likely to be the only discretionary spending pared by the administration. There are also reports that the Obama administration will propose sharp budgets cuts in community-action programs, which fund such things such as Head Start, as well as community block grants, which are federal monies that can be used for almost anything a locality needs.

"Cutting in these areas is not surprising, says Stan Collender, a budget expert and partner at Qorvis Communications in Washington.

“They really don’t have anyplace to go except to cut discretionary spending in lower-priority items like these,” Mr. Collender says. “In his heart, the president may not want to do this, but if you want to reduce the deficit, this is where the money is.”

..."People will be horrified at the scale of the cuts the House is considering, if they are implemented,” says Elizabeth Lower-Basch, senior policy analyst at the Center for Law and Social Policy, a Washington group that works to help the poor. “What we are hearing is that the cuts will be for the most vulnerable.”


A Democratic administration targeting the most vulnerable while extending the tax breaks for the very wealthy.

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:14 AM
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40. Well fiddle dee de - we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads over mere REPORTS
That's the constant meme of he/she-who-must-not-be-criticized. Even if the report is the New York Times quoting Obama's spokeperson as to what the President is determined to do, i.e., cut LIHEAP 50%. Good grief, Charlie Brown! This is not the National Enquirer speculating about Angelina's latest tattoo!

No, we should just be good sheep and wait until his budget has been officially submitted to Congress. Cause we know how tough Obama is at the negotiating table, don't we, boys and girls? Oh . . . wait, that's not the case.

NOW is the time to call your congresspersons and senators, and raise holy hell about this.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:36 PM
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47. Here's the problem with that
Between allowing the right to control the message and Dems staying home in droves in 2010, we have lost many reps who MIGHT stand up for us. My rep is now Andy "where the hell's my health care" Harris. I've written him 5 times and haven't heard a peep back. At least Kratovil would make some half ass effort to jack me off when I complained about whatever.

The house is now more full of corporate sponsored hacks than it's been in my life time. I'm affraid that the time of dealing with issues at the voting booth is long gone~
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:55 PM
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52. I feel your pain. I have a Blue Dog DINO Congressman too.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:51 PM
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54. Well I Have A Ruby Red Rat As My Congressman AND One Who Has
had MANY lawsuits filed against him. He got elected to his SECOND term with the "people" well aware of it ALL!!

So Vern Buchanan calls me on the phone and says he's having a "meeting" this Saturday and would like me to attend!! I don't think so, I'm sure my "voice" will NEVER be heard!

The politics of THIS COUNTY has been the SAME since I've moved here! Came here in 1978 and it's REPUKE now and was REPUKE then! I no longer have ANY voice here because even the local Democratic Party is pretty lame!

Stopped attending meetings because I felt like I was only needed when they wanted me to hold up signs or make phone calls, but DIDN'T want to hear any opinions!

So WHY would VERNIE want to hear what I have to say? Guess he thinks even Democrats here are REPUKES and I'm not kidding. Too many "D's" don't seem all that bothered. I stay upset and worried but it makes no difference. I KNOW my goose is cooked!

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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:20 PM
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55. I'll betcha my county party is worse than your county party.
They invite repugs to picnics, etc.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:19 PM
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60. Perhaps, But Maybe Not... It's Really Sickening Here! n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 08:53 PM
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61. Yuck. That's terrible.
Even here in red state hell Kansas we don't party with republicans.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:45 AM
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41. When our side does this
it's to be viewed as somehow wise, someway just, some kind of clever move that will end up benefiting those suffering most.

I don't get it. Will someone explain the intelligent, compassionate reasoning behind this?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:13 AM
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43. When our side does it they call it playing chess.
Then if we object we are called checker players.
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Kall Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:50 AM
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45. Well
When you have the capacity to go out there and Win The Future, you don't need luxuries like heat in the winter.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:40 PM
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48. Face it, the Democratic Party is a subsidiary of the Republican Party (aka Inverted Totalitarians or
Kinder and Gentler Nazis).

Obama, not to anyone's surprise who was conscious and watching (which is about 0.0001% of the current American Subject Populace) has also turned out to be a subsidiary of the Republican Party.

A subsidiary who has done his job as Corporate Spokesmodel for Oligarchy while ensuring the Democratic Party never again represents the interests of the bottom 90% of the Subject Populace or anyone beside the Chamber of Coommerce and the rest of the Imperial Oligarchy.

I have said this a thousand times since 2001, when I accurately predicted the course this nation would take on it's way to a new, unspeakably soul-killing (and probably actually murderous) form of totalitarian evil which has hit every checkpoint I prophesied right on schedule, "Denial is the single most powerful force in human history."

It's only nearest competitors are greed and sex drive, but I think neither of those can touch denial for sheer widespread force and volume.

I used to think that denial was more prevalent on the Right, and it is, but only because the authoritarian evil is coming from the Right in this particular case and thus the evil is forming under it's banners.

But it could just as easily be the Left, as it was in the USSR or Commie China. (before they adopted Amerikan-style totalitarian-surveillance-state-capitalism in 2001.

The denial at DU is a s powerful as the denial everywhere else. Obama is a Bush Operative keeping the Imperial Throne warm for the next Bush Courtier or Bush Family Member who wants it.

Make no mistake, though, Obama has been such a good Bushie and so very hateful towards the bottom 90% of Americans, even while poisoning us with honeyed lies, that he will liiely be granted another four years on the Imperial Throne.

What? You though Amerikan elections were determined by voters voting?

:rofl: Dummies.

Obama's REAL re-election campaign is just gearing up, grovelling before the Rich White Boys will be ramped up and the bottom 90% of Americans can expect pretty much the same we got from the Bushies, but with more window dressing and prettier lies.

(Liberals tend to be smarter and therefore require slightly more sophisticated lies than RW Brownshirts)

Back to denial now, DU. I apologize for interfering with the denial of Titanic Passengers even for a moment.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:41 PM
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49. I don't understand why he's appealing to the extreme fringe of the right.
It makes no sense.

He's supposed to be a goddamn Democrat.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:42 PM
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50. In the Republican world (and, seemingly, the Obama world),
cutting LIHEAP is a two-fer. The poor and old freeze to death so you don't have to pay out any government "entitlements." What the hell has happened to this country?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:44 PM
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51. Excellent way of putting it.. a RACE to make poor people extinct.
The question is, will liberals do more than write about it and wring their hands
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:51 PM
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57. No.
n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:42 PM
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56. All Mr. Obama "stands for" is re-election. nt
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:54 PM
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77. +100000000000000 Agreed!
Edited on Sat Feb-12-11 10:55 PM by markpkessinger
At this point, I can onl6 conclude that what drives the President's agenda is, first and foremost, is his desire to secure a second term for himself. He seems to have lost his moral compass (if indeed he ever had one).
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:56 PM
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58. Oh, but there is always more money for war.
the War budget is one budget that'll NEVER get cut.

This is a Reagan-esque "Kill The Poor" strategy. I should have trusted my gut when he praised Reagan. He seems to more than like Reagan. He seems to be trying to emulate him in so many areas. I'm still REALLY uncomfortable with this whole thing. I can't be the only one who is trying to tow the DU line, but at the same time, feeling more and more like we need a primary in '12.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:07 PM
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59. And big corporate bailouts. nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 09:12 PM
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63. And back to back decades of tax cuts for the stinkin' greedy rich of which Obama is one.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:26 PM
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67. K&R...
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:27 PM
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68. K&R
It appears so.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:50 PM
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70. I'm not sure its rationalization.
I think in America, it's all false framing now.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:26 PM
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71. No. The President is just trying to piss Americans off SO MUCH that we take to the streets
and walk like Egyptians.

Or something.

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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:53 AM
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72. Wait until Monday, when the REAL budget comes out
*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:14 AM
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73. If you impoverish people, it makes it more difficult for them to oppose you.
Until you've taken away too much for too long from too many -- and then you get Egypt.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:32 AM
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74. Trying to out-tough the other guy always fails
Trying to be tougher than the other guy used to be called 'playing chicken', and usually resulted in either two drunks rolling in the mud in a quasi-homoerotic manner, or two dead guys.

In this case, though, it's more like 'my iPod makes me immune to that oncoming train'.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:05 AM
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75. WTF? Notice the initials.
See how the president's new pet phrase and plan mirrors the common internets abbreviation.

Kind of apt I think.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 01:32 AM
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78. The Obama administration won this contest already, which Democrat in the WH
has done this before on this level?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 05:11 AM
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79. Nothing a little tax increase couldn't cure.
Say, asking the Top Cats to contribute 90-percent of their holdings for the public good. It wouldn't have to be permanent. About 30 years or so ought to set things right.
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