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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 10:56 PM
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Guardian UK: US fears Saudi oil may have been overstated by 40%
from the Guardian UK:



The US fears that Saudi Arabia, the world's largest crude oil exporter, may not have enough reserves to prevent oil prices escalating, confidential cables from its embassy in Riyadh show.

The cables, released by WikiLeaks, urge Washington to take seriously a warning from a senior Saudi government oil executive that the kingdom's crude oil reserves may have been overstated by as much as 300bn barrels – nearly 40%.

The revelation comes as the oil price has soared in recent weeks to more than $100 a barrel on global demand and tensions in the Middle East. Many analysts expect that the Saudis and their Opec cartel partners would pump more oil if rising prices threatened to choke off demand.

However, Sadad al-Husseini, a geologist and former head of exploration at the Saudi oil monopoly Aramco, met the US consul general in Riyadh in November 2007 and told the US diplomat that Aramco's 12.5m barrel-a-day capacity needed to keep a lid on prices could not be reached. ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/08/saudi-oil-reserves-overstated-wikileaks



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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 10:58 PM
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1. Duh, they've pumping oil for decades so it's going to go dry eventually
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 11:00 PM
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2. When oil hit peak of $146 in 2008 every OPEC nation was cheating like crazy.
Every nation except Saudia Arabia. Each nation is given an export quota but with prices that high people were cheating the quotas by 10%, 20%, sometimes even 30% to maximize the amount of oil they sold at $146 before it crashed.

The Saudi didn't even meet their quota. Why would that be? They couldn't. They couldn't expand their production because they have been inflating their reserve and production capacity numbers for years. They were redlining and couldn't even meet their quota.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 11:12 PM
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4. How do you explain this, then?


There is no evidence whatsoever of any additional oil being pumped in 2008. Everybody should have been flocking to cash in, not just OPEC. Instead there was nothing. I wonder why?

Actually, I don't wonder why. The taps are open as wide as they can be, pretty much everywhere. We're pumping every drop we can get. Production peaked in 2005 and hasn't budged in over 5 years. Trying to pump more crude is Bleak Toil.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 11:03 PM
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3. Hasn't this been common knowledge since like 2004-05? nt
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 11:12 PM
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5. that's what i thought too ...

surrpriseee!

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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 11:32 PM
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6. Those Iraqis better get off our oil.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 12:31 AM
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7. lol 40%. And no one figured it out. That's a hell of an error. nm
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 01:48 AM
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10. It was NOT an error. It was a deliberate lie.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 01:49 AM by Raster
Proved Saudi reserve figures have been a state secret of the Kingdom for years.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:46 AM
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12. So the Saudi's are the only ones that can predict how much reserves they have? I doubt it. nm
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 02:19 PM
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13. Other geologists not associated with the Saudi government can ESTIMATE Saudi reserves,
...but unless they are allowed access to Saudi geological records it is a "best guess" scenario.

http://www.iags.org/n0331043.htm

"Analyzing Saudi Arabia's capacity is not an easy task. Saudi Aramco, the state-owned oil company, has not provided production data for more than two decades. OPEC, the IEA and EIA data systems shed little light on what underlies Saudi sand. "Their predictive track record has been awful. In the land of the blind, reliable OPEC data is either untrusted or non-existent " Simmons said. Simmons calls for a new era of true energy transparency. "The IEA should roll up their sleeves and work to obtain far better demand and cost data and far better decline data for non-OPEC oil. OPEC should provide field by field production and well-by-well data, budget details and third party engineering reports." "

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25281491/Saudi_s_Oil_Fields_on_Viagra

"But actual Saudi production levels are state secrets, or as Simmons says officials are “as silent as the Mafia.” But there is precious little transparency anywhere in the region. Reserves for all OPEC countries are believed to be overstated because they are the basis for determining each cartel member’s export quota. "
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 01:18 AM
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8. Peak oil in the not very distant future (maybe 2012-2019) was
predicted years ago. It has come a little early because of the unexpected rise in demand thanks to development in the third world.

This is why we need to put more government money into the development of alternative energy.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 01:21 AM
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9. Some analysts put it as far back as 2009
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:14 AM
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11. Nice article. Thanks.
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