So, how long after the first of the year when social security grab begins do

[lonestarnot]

things last before we see rioting in the street by old peole, unemployed people, homeless people, starving people, veterans (because they're working on them too)? How long?

[MichiganVote]

1. Two years. Then more promises. Then an election. Then more deceit.

Then war in the US.

[lonestarnot]

7. Two years?

I see many toys broken in two years.

[MichiganVote]

12. Well that's what the wealthy think Social Security is- a toy for us.

[lonestarnot]

18. No. It's dough, more dough, dough they want.

[MichiganVote]

24. Exactly. But to them its "our" toy now and these people want all the toys.

They are raised to believe they are entitled to it or that they worked for it more than you or I or that you won't miss it or that "we" can't afford it and that your the lives of your children will be better without it. That we're are unmotivated to "save" because of it.

You name it, they'll rationalize it.

[HillbillyBob]

2. I have already started raising hell with congress..

My measly 800 a month is all I have. My partner is working for less than he did when he started 35 yrs ago. Yet the banksters and corporate bastards are trying to steal what we have earned.
Those gated communities are not as secure as these greedyassfools think they are.

[Angry Dragon]

3. It is good to have them all in one place

[lonestarnot]

6. It's not really hard to figure out even if they aren't. There's only 6K families affected

by the death tax.

[lonestarnot]

4. I'm sorry HillbillyBob.

And you are right about the fools.

[glinda]

5. I am sorry also.

[whistler162]

8. Well the world ends in June so sometime

before that!

[lonestarnot]

9. June on your calendar egh? That must be some calendar.

[virgogal]

10. I fall into one of the categories you mentioned. Old. We can't do much

rioting,but need the help of the younger people.

I have never been so discouraged in my life----one of my kids(age 47) is in the unemployed category.

[lonestarnot]

14. Damn, I'm sorry.

[eridani]

28. You might be surprised at what people with terminal illnesses and nothing to lose

--can come up with.

[bobbolink]

31. That's right. I've heard people talking of the immolations of the Vietnam era.

Some just want to go comfortably, others want to make some sort of "statement".

Yet, there are people here haggling about "piddly" cuts to food stamps! :grr:

[PFunk]

11. Probally when it starts to get warm enough to do so in the DC area.

Which means sometime after April. So start looking for an increasing in the police state (including the use of private security forces) before this happens.

[1620rock]

13. ...Up against the wall MF.

[lonestarnot]

16. We've already got the private industrial prison complex in full swing for all that slave labor

they'll need to service the debt to China.

[Ozymanithrax]

15. Rioting, here, give me a break...

A riot is an ugly sink, unt, I think that it is just about time dat ve had vone!

I think the riot has been bread out of the Ameircan Animal.

[lonestarnot]

17. You may be right.

But misery does bad things to people.

[LostInAnomie]

19. You won't see it from old people.

Congress will buy them off with some sweet deal that "will protect their benefits" while screwing anyone under 45. As long as their benefits are safe, they won't do shit.

I'll put money on it.

[lonestarnot]

20. 45 been paying in since what age 16? That's 29 years. Ripped off for 29 years, you think the 45ers

will just take it? Oops my math bad. :evilgrin:

[LostInAnomie]

27. Divide and conquer.

Once the old people and the boomers are bought off it's all downhill.

[Foo Fighter]

32. The do like the "divide and conquer " thing.

They particularly like to pit the upper middle and working (or "middle") classes against the poor. They paint the poor as people that don't want to work and do nothing but collect welfare at taxpayer expense. As long as people have a "lower" stratum to blame for the ills of society, not much will change. Once the working class and, eventually, upper middle class, are reduced to the ranks of the poor, those that have at least two functioning neurons will realize how they have been had and the shit will hit the fan. Unfortunately, it probably won't happen before that and even then, it might be too late. The top 1% will have taken the money and run.

[lonestarnot]

35. It's clear that more groups are going to sold a bill of goods.

[unblock]

21. well, for comparison, it took a mere 8 years from the repeal of glass-steagall

for the over-concentrated, over-merged, and highly over-leveraged banking industry to build up and burst the housing market, ushering in the demise of several major financial institutions and miring america in its longest post-wwii contraction and ensuing miserable aftermath.

people can survive WITH protections without major incident for a long time, and people sometimes question the value of those protections. but take them away and it doesn't take long at all before the sh*t hits the fan.

[lonestarnot]

25. Exactly right. It doesn't take long after that.

[FrenchieCat]

22. Let us speculate wildly, why don't we?

That's what we do best.

[lonestarnot]

26. You do not speak for me.

[obxhead]

23. Right After Christmas.

We'll have a shiny new tax cut to pay for. Time to rob the piggy bank again.

[customerserviceguy]

29. The protests don't start

until the checks stop coming. Should be another 5-10 years, by my reckoning.

[me b zola]

30. When I called the White House last week...

I told them that we won't be seeking protest permits if they freaking touch SS. We'll be in the streets European style.

[lonestarnot]

33. Right on me b zola!

[robcon]

34. Never.

Social security hasn't relied on FICA for a long time. The FICA collection rates and Social Security dispersals are not connected now, and won't be in the future.

[ProudDad]

37. You're wrong...

It's a pay as you go system...

Always has been...

[Tsiyu]

36. I don't have any idea exactly when

but I imagine HOW it will start as this: uncoordinated individuals or small groups will start destroying property, threatening corporations, maybe sniping wealthy criminals. Like the wikileaks phenomenon, some folks love to show the "high and mighty" just how UNsecure they are, gated communities notwithstanding.

The media will cover the first few attempts with a "tsk tsk" and faux outrage; probably a lot of lectures about morality and the importance of property will ensue.

Then the media will try to blackout the news, because the individuals inspire "copycats" - people who, rather than giving up and feeling suicidal, will be emboldened by how easy it is to rattle the wealthy.

And then, all bets are off as to what happens.

War is a funny thing. We define wars by the dates the "officials" vote us in or otherwise get involved.

But wars don't have any timetable or logical progression or any outcome we can control.

Once they start, they don't usually end until there is a lot of destruction.



Now, just like predicting the market meltdown (when I was laughed at) I will say I certainly don't want us to be at war here in the US of A. But Jesus, the wealthy and our politicians are pushing people to that end - almost as if THEY want a reason to open fire on the poor. You have to wonder just how far the poor can be backed into a corner...


There are a lot of folks without TV these days. They're bored and hungry and mad.

But surely they wouldn't revolt? :)