I've decided not to crap all over Reagan today...

[Dennis Donovan]

Back in 1982, we celebrated FDR's centenary (and Reagan & Nancy - both were admirers of FDR - themselves led the national festivities).

6 years from now, we'll all be gathering here to celebrate JFK's 100th birthday.

Yes, Reagan is the most over-hyped POTUS of the 20th century, but he's all they (repugs) have. Let 'em have it. Tomorrow, we can get back to crapping on Ronnie.

[Cirque du So-What]

1. That's your choice

By the same token, I hope those who choose not to participate in chroniciling the crimes and misdemeanors of conservatism's patron saint will not shit on our efforts to reveal the man behind the mythology that the repukes have taken such great pains to construct.

As for the occasion of JFK's 100th birthday...do you really expect the conservatroids to hold back in their unabashed hatred for the man? I'll be countering those lies, I expect, just as vigorously as I attempt to promulgate the truth about their beloved St. Ronnie.

[forty6]

4. Well stated! n/t

[Dennis Donovan]

10. No one is stopping you...

...and I'm certainly NOT joining in the festivities to honor him (since there's little to honor him for). I'm merely honoring my greater self and not reducing myself to their levels.

When the occasion of JFK's 100th birthday is upon us, the conservatives and teabaggers will likely heap dishonor on him, and point to today as a reason for doing so. On that day, I will be able to defend my actions by saying that I, for one, did NOT partake in it and chose to remain silent on the issue for this ONE day.

Perhaps you don't remember January, 1982. The Reagans were quite respectful to the memory of FDR. In fact, during the whole push to put Reagan on the dime a few years back was roundly shot down by Nancy herself.

[Cirque du So-What]

13. Well, GAWD FORBID you should 'reduce yourself'

For my part, I'm going to counter the right wing's attempts at beatification with the truth. Sorry if you think we're 'crapping' on the man; his policies are still crapping on us to this day. Please DO proceed with more tut-tutting if you must, but for my part, I would feel remiss in my duties if I allowed the right wing to perpetrate lies AGAIN upon the American public unchallenged.

[Dennis Donovan]

16. No tut-tuts here, Engage if you must...

I simply will remain silent on this day only.

Have fun!:hi:

[Cirque du So-What]

20. Yeah...real silent you are

Nice dig at the end, BTW - as if we're having 'fun' while you remain aloof. Congratulations on the boost to your self-esteem :hi:

[Dennis Donovan]

21. Thank you!

:hi: NO dig was intended - you seem to be having fun - I was wishing you more of the same!:hi:

[Cirque du So-What]

23. You think it's fucking FUN to get scolded for trying to counter the lies of the right wing?

Well, it's not any fucking 'fun.' I consider it my duty, however, and if that offends anybody's sense of moral superiority, SORRY!

[Dennis Donovan]

28. No one is scolding anyone. In fact, I said it was your right do engage in anything...

...you want. I simply choose not to engage in such things today (and today only). You're getting entirely too bent out of shape by my post. Take a breather or something, my friend. :hi:

[Cirque du So-What]

32. Hey, I didn't start this thread!

I didn't start a thread preemptively calling out a whole bunch of DUers as 'grave-crappers.' It's my contention that if you didn't want to participate in getting out the truth about St. Ronnie on a day the RW will likely attempt to turn into a national holiday, then just do as Jesus suggested to the pharisees about prayer: just do it quietly and without drawing a bunch of attention to yourself! I'm willing to concede that yours is the morally superior position and that the rest of us are reprobate grave-crappers in comparison if you just let it drop and stop peppering your replies with supercilious stuff: 'bent out of shape,' 'take a breather,' etc. If your purpose wasn't to stir up discontent and/or place yourself on a moral pedestal, then WTF was it then?!? Mission accomplished, my friend!

[Cid_B]

33. Wow...

I'll bet you are a hoot at parties...

[Cirque du So-What]

35. Thanks for the input!

So pleased you saw fit to weigh in and egg it on!

[tabasco]

48. I bet you puke on yourself at parties.

So what.

[Dennis Donovan]

37. You responded. Nor did I "call out a bunch of DUers as 'grave-crappers'"...

You're a bit too defensive and, yes, "bent out of shape" is an apt description of your behavior. I have no other purpose in this thread than declare my choice to refrain from partaking in what I consider to be in poor taste - attacking someone on the anniversary of their birth.

If you're sooo offended by this thread, why not hide it or put me on ignore. Looks like you're just jonesing for a fight.:eyes:

[Cirque du So-What]

40. Who was 'bent out of shape' when they posted the OP?

Were there any instances that qualified as 'grave-crapping' before you decided to preemptively assume the morally-superior position? Now you want to refrain?!? Well, refrain already! My money's on more egging-on, however. We'll see who's actually 'jonesing for a fight' by who sees fit to keep it going. As I already said, I'm willing to concede that we're all just morally reprehensible grave-crappers in comparison to you, but obviously that's not good enough for you, as you feel compelled to get in one last 'dig' time after time. Yep, we'll see...

[Dennis Donovan]

42. It's my thread, and I'm merely responding...

Yes, there were instances before I posted this morning. Also, can you show me where I used the phrase "grave crapping"? You keep putting that in quotes.

I never said I was "morally superior" to anyone on DU. Please feel free to show exactly where I said I was. Your defensiveness speaks volumes about you.

[Cirque du So-What]

46. 'I've decided not to crap all over Reagan today'

Your words. He's in his grave, hence, any 'crapping all over' would ipso facto be 'grave-crapping.' True, you didn't use the *exact* phrase 'grave-crapping,' but it's implicit in your opening statement. True, you didn't claim moral superiority over those who choose to counter the stream of revisionism issuing from the RW, but isn't that the image you're trying to cultivate? Who are you anyway to assume the mantle of arbiter for when & where it's proper to 'crap on Ronnie' (again, your words)? Why are YOU so defensive when people take exception to your scolding? If you'll notice, I was nice as pie in my initial reply to your thread; I was content to have left it at that...but NOOOO! You saw fit to get in your little fucking 'digs' subsequently and now it's obvious that you're not going to 'cease fire' your own self! Defensive? Take a look in the fookin' mirror!

And for a third time: I OPENLY ADMIT THAT I AM AN IMMORAL BASTID COMPARED TO THE AUTHOR OF THIS THREAD AND I AM A REPROBATE GRAVE-CRAPPER WHO SHOULD BE A PAIR OF RAGGED CLAWS SCUTTLING ACROSS THE FLOORS OF SILENT SEAS AND WHO CAN ONLY HOPE TO BASK IN THE REFLECTED LIGHT OF THOSE MORALLY IMMACULATE BEINGS WHO GRACE THIS FORUM WITH THEIR PRESENCE!

Can you NOW take solace and fucking well DROP IT?!? Or will you counter with YET ANOTHER fucking insult? Prove me wrong and let it drop!

[Dennis Donovan]

49. Wrong assumption...

ipso facto or not. "...Crap all over Reagan" refers to his memory. Next time I'll use quotation marks...;-)

No one has insulted anyone. This is a discussion of a tactic (i.e. making negative comments about someone on the centenary of their birth). In my opinion - IMO - to refrain from speaking the truth about Reagan for a single day. One fucking day!

And, no, I won't pay the game of "if you dare answer me, I win!" ("Prove me wrong and let it drop!"). Oldest message board tactic in the book. This is my last reply to you... for now.;-):rofl:

[underseasurveyor]

41. Perfect response

:thumbsup:

[Hugabear]

77. I think we should carve his face on Mt. Crapmore

By which I mean, we should gather up a large mound of elephant shit, and carve his face into it.

[mmonk]

2. I plan to write on Reagan today and if I finish it, one could say

I'm crapping on his memory. But I call it telling the truth about his presidency.

[tanyev]

3. You gotta admire a guy who can leap tall buildings in a single bound and catch bullets in his teeth.

[madokie]

5. Screw that

Because of him letting the people who was in his cabinet run roughshod over us is why we are in the mess we are today and don't ever forget that Dennis. So fuck not shitting on reagan, I'd shit and piss on his grave if I could get there in a new york second. Because of him I and most of us average people have no future. :grr:

He sucked big time and his policies are still sucking all these years later. It was him who started us on this road to ruin we're on now.

[hobbit709]

6. +1000000

[Dennis Donovan]

12. Everything you've said is 100% true...

NO one is saying you should forget the nightmare of his presidency. I sure-as-hell won't. I lived thru it.

I merely choose to honor my greater self, maintain decorum and refrain from attacking him this one day. I guess I'm old enough to remember when we as a society used to be better than this...

[madokie]

51. I'm 62 and I treat thugs as the thugs they are

You're a better man than me, so my bad on that.

[Dennis Donovan]

65. No, madokie, you're a good dude...

:thumbsup:

[annabanana]

15. yup. . This was the moment in our history where the oligarchy

solidified its control on our country.

[madokie]

52. Yes it was

[Bunny]

7. I'm not going to fly out to CA to crap on his grave, but if I find myself

wanting to comment on him at all today, it will not be anything positive.

[hobbit709]

8. The closest to anything positive about him

is that he was upstaged by a chimp in a movie.

[Chorophyll]

9. Speaking the truth in the face of a propaganda title wave is NOT crapping.

But to each his/her own, I guess.

[Dennis Donovan]

18. I'm really not seeing a "propaganda tidal wave"

In fact, I'm seeing more exposing of the Reagan Myth in the MSM than at any other time:

Exhibit A:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/04/reagan.legacy/index.html

[WinkyDink]

27. You're posting at 9:34 a.m EST; kind of early to judge.

[Dennis Donovan]

30. Perhaps...

[treestar]

11. Interesting. Don't remember that.

I suppose the Republicans did not crap all over Reagan for respecting FDR?

[Dennis Donovan]

14. I remember it very clearly. I was part of the festivities in Hyde Park...

...Reagan and Nancy spoke quite glowingly of FDR and Eleanor. I got to meet James Roosevelt (FDR's son), as well.

[annabanana]

17. Bingarino treestar. . They like their heroes untouched by reality. . n/t

[Barack_America]

19. There's a difference between "crapping" and refusing to romanticize his legacy.

Personally, I'm completely disinterested in this whole birthday business, though I do find myself thinking of the mental health hospital he closed in the town I grew up in.

[Dennis Donovan]

22. There certainly is!

I, too, refuse to romanticize his legacy. :thumbsup:

[obxhead]

24. I decided this a week ago as well.

Obama is called a progressive here daily and Reagan is shit on here daily.

While I won't say outright the two are in the same league, Obama clearly believes in some of the ways of Reaganomics.

[Fire1]

25. Sorry, no slack and no sympathy. n/t

[Dennis Donovan]

71. No one's looking for either...

This thread is about timing.:hi:

[WinkyDink]

26. FDR was President for ca. 4 terms; he led during WWII and post-Great Depression. Reagan did....??

"The year 1982 marked Franklin Delano Roosevelt's centenary. It was not widely celebrated, except by supporters in New York, who with the election of Ronald Reagan, saw the world of FDR receding into the past."
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2006/winter/fdr-emerges.html

[Dennis Donovan]

29. Very true the differences you pointed out of the two...

...however, I recall quite clearly the specials on TV, the proclamations made all over the country in honor of FDR's 100th birthday. Yes, I know Cynthia Koch is the director of the FDR Library, but her assertion that it was barely recognized is simply not true.

[TuxedoKat]

I was living and working in Wash., DC

at the time and don't remember much of anything about FDR's centenary being mentioned and I am a big admirer of FDR. Not anywhere near the big hoopla they're planning this year for Reagan.

[Dennis Donovan]

50. I took part of one in Hyde Park. It was a big deal.

There also was a 2 hr special on TV - one of the networks, although I can't recall which one. Possibly CBS with Walter Cronkite...

The only reason why you're hearing so much about St Ronnie today is because of the 24-7 cable news networks... PLUS it's a Sunday.

[TuxedoKat]

76. I believe you

I just don't know how I missed it, being such an FDR fan. Must have been something going on then that really had me preoccupied.

[TuxedoKat]

45. I was living and working in Wash., DC

at the time and don't remember much of anything about FDR's centenary being mentioned and I am a big admirer of FDR. Not anywhere near the big hoopla they're planning this year for Reagan.

[Arkana]

31. Worst insult we can give Ronnie is acting like he never existed.

He's the God-Emperor of the GOP--a bit ironic since he'd never pass muster with teabaggers.

[etherealtruth]

62. +1

[Dennis Donovan]

68. While I appreciate your idea...

...I think it's important to continue to expose the Reagan Myth. Just not today. Let them have their Reagasm this one day.;-)

[EFerrari]

34. Raygun was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people

This should be National Spit on Scumbags' Graves Day as far as I'm concerned.

[Dennis Donovan]

39. Yes it should...

...but since it's not, I chose to refrain from the tactics worthy of the other side - for just one day. ;-)

[EFerrari]

43. Calling things by their names is not a tactic of the other side.

[Dennis Donovan]

44. Doing it on a day like today is....

It's just one day... why not say, "screw it - I spoke the truth about St Ronnie yesterday, and I'm going to do the same tomorrow. Today, just fuck it?" :shrug:

[JHB]

36. I'm not going to go out of my way today to point out all the ways...

...Reagan's actual policies turned this county for the worse, domestically and internationally, often working against the very things he purported to champion, and that his few worthwhile aspects are things his cheerleaders criticized him for (even back then).


But I do suspect I won't have to go out of my way today. I'll have more opportunites than is safe for my blood pressure, since the Gipper-gushers in my life will bring it to me.

[Dennis Donovan]

38. Neither am I...

:thumbsup:

...although my thread has certainly had the opposite effect from it's original intention - which was to gently remind my fellow DUers that we're BETTER than the opposition. I see many here are not.:(

[Dennis Donovan]

47. Although, I have to admit, in the spirit of complete disclosure...

(...I've been reccing the threads that DO speak the truth about Reagan today - that is different than speaking ill. That's my loop-hole ;-)).

[lonestarnot]

53. P.U.

:thumbsdown:

[Dennis Donovan]

58. Ha!

Best argument of the bunch!:hi:

[TheKentuckian]

54. Unrecced because I'm a proud grave crapper and have disdain for even one moment of playing the game

Motherfuck Ronald Reagan and his ideological spawn that bring us down and rule us to this day.

They can shit on JFK if they wish, they do on all the days they aren't trying to rebrand him as the pre-Reagan anyway.

[Dennis Donovan]

63. His idealogical spawn can't even accept facts about him that go against that "ideaolgy"...

...like Limbaugh:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x361016

Really... who cares what they think? This is all about how I feel about myself. I'm better than them and you should be too!:thumbsup:

[TheKentuckian]

75. I good with being and wanting different than them. That is all the "better" I need.

Being the adults in the room, more inclusive of their beliefs, and being better has purchased us nothing but loss.

Tear that fucking idol down, burn it, and piss on the ashes.

You are better than them for not leaving a lie about that piece of shit destroying, thieving, Constitution shredding, vile criminal unchallenged for a single moment.

That traitor should be exhumed and exiled posthumously to set an example of how such villains are dealt with.

[Evoman]

55. Celebrate. The only good thing Reagan ever did was die.

[Dennis Donovan]

61. Fascinating...

Stay classy!

[Rex]

56. Funny, I've never crapped on Reagan. Just talked about the facts

and what he has done to fuck over our country. If you wish to ignore the obvious truths about Reagan and want to purely crap on him then go ahead and do so. I just talk about his life and works and the pathetic of Reagan shows up naturally. Guess some of us remember living in those times and some don't care.

[Dennis Donovan]

59. Good - all of that is true...

[11 Bravo]

57. No problem, I'll just eat an extra-big lunch and crap on him enough for both of us.

[Dennis Donovan]

60. I'll join you tomorrow...

:thumbsup:

[Kaleva]

64. I don't think anyone here is "crapping" on Reagan

As there is little diversity of opinion about him here, all that remains are folks expressing a common theme and back slapping each other for doing it.

[Dennis Donovan]

66. I agree...

I just choose to wait until tomorrow to resume speaking truth-to-power about him.

[Kaleva]

70. Later in the week, I may read some of the Reagan threads here.

I read yours as the title caught my eye. The others may contain factual info that I didn't know or contain an opinion that's interesting but as I said, I'll wait till later in the week to find out.

[pipi_k]

67. I'm not celebrating or crapping...one thing I do have to say, though...

is that someday when Clinton passes to the Great Beyond and the Freeper types are all busy shitting on his grave and pointing out the truths of his presidency, no doubt there will be many (even those who are shitting on Reagan today) calling those Freepers assholes.

Not for pointing out the truths...

But for being classless assholes by shitting on Clinton's grave. That will be the major complaint.


So hey...people can shit on whomever they want, I suppose...they should just remember their own shitting before they call someone else an asshole for doing the same thing at some future time.

:shrug:

[Dennis Donovan]

69. ...and THAT is my entire point.

Thank you, pipi!:thumbsup:

[Common Sense Party]

72. There was enough crapping on him the day he died...

DU stank like an outhouse in August on that day.

[Dennis Donovan]

73. It was 50/50...

I took the same position that day as I do today (back then, I was Cooley Hurd). There's a time and place - yesterday and tomorrow are good examples.:hi:

[jmowreader]

74. The teabaggers are lining up to crap on JFK on his 100th

They will be certain to focus on Kennedy's famous sex life.

But this is the thing: Kennedy specialized in top-quality women. I got news for the teabaggers: if any of YOUR presidents had nailed both Angie Dickinson and Marilyn Monroe, you'd be putting up billboards all over the country bragging about it.