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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 11:57 PM
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Ten Principles for Avoiding National Economic Catastrophe
The ten principles that I discuss in this post come from a book written by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, titled “The Black Swan – The Impact of the Highly Improbable”. The book is not primarily about economics. Rather, it is about how the laws of probability are misunderstood and incorrectly taught in the vast majority of academic institutions regarding highly “improbable” events – as applied to real life circumstances.

I put “improbable” in quotes because, as Taleb correctly points out, “improbable” is in the eye of the beholder, which in turn is highly dependent upon the information that the beholder is aware of. For example, the recent economic Meltdown of 2008 (which represents economic catastrophe for many millions of Americans, including some in my family) was considered to be highly improbable by the vast majority of Americans prior to its occurrence. But as Taleb points out, rational assessment of information that was publicly available with a certain amount of digging would have made the meltdown appear highly probable rather than improbable. Indeed, he predicted it, as did a handful of others. Another example is that most Americans alive today would have believed that circumnavigation around the North Pole would have been impossible in their life time, based upon the fact that it had been impossible for at least the past 125 thousand years. Yet those familiar with the extent and impact of global warming would not have been surprised to hear of the North Pole becoming circumnavigable – as indeed it became in 2008.

Taleb’s book does not espouse a political point of view. Rather, as noted above, it contains his views on assessing the probability of highly “improbable” events. So his ten principles for what he terms a “black-swan-robust” society are apolitically motivated. I will not go into his views on probability in this post. Rather, I will discuss only the two and a half pages near the end of the book that deal with a “black-swan-robust” society, as applied to our recent economic meltdown.


Principle 1 – What is fragile should break early, while it’s still small

Another way of saying this is that we should never allow our institutions to become “too big to fail” – in other words, so big that their failure would create great damage to our society, necessitating that society bails them out in order to avoid severe consequences.

Barry C. Lynn discusses the dangers of private monopolies in his book, “Cornered – The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction”:

Monopoly is, after all, merely a form of government that one group of human beings imposes on another group of human beings. Its purpose is simple – to enable the first group to transfer wealth and power to themselves. Monopolists use such private governments to organize and disorganize, to grab and smash, to rule and ruin, in ways that serve their interests only…

Lynn notes that this battle has been fought since the first days of our republic, when Jefferson and Madison battled against the soon-to-be defunct Federalist Party on this issue. Lynn continues:

Ever since, the central battle in our political economy has been between those who would use our federal and state governments to establish and protect private monopolies to empower and enrich the few and those who would use our governments to break or harness private monopolies in order to protect the liberties and properties of the many.

More than a century ago, the Progressive movement became the driving force behind anti-trust laws, such as the Sherman Anti-trust Act of 1890 and the Clayton Anti-trust Act of 1914, which limited corporate economic power by requiring fair competition.

But by the Reagan Revolution of the 1980s, Americans had forgotten about the dangers of monopoly, and right wing propaganda convinced most of them that monopoly is not something to be feared. Consequently we got the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which paved the way for successive huge mergers in the telecommunications industry and the financial industry, respectively. Both set the stage, in their own way, for the record breaking income and wealth inequality and the economic meltdown that followed.

The bottom line is this: When an organization becomes “too big” it gains inordinate economic and political power, enabling it to arrange our economic and political system for its own benefit, at the expense of everyone else. Then, when it fails, it expects – correctly – that the rest of us will bail them out with our hard earned money.


Principle 2 – No socialization of losses and privatization of gains

Socialization of losses, as noted above, is a consequence of “too big to fail”. Taleb sums up the situation:

Whatever may need to be bailed out should be nationalized…. We got ourselves into the worst of capitalism and socialism… In the United States in the 2000s, the banks took over the government. This is surreal.

That is exactly what our government did. Several of our best economists warned about Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s plan for continuing President Bush’s bailout. This is what Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz had to say about it:

The U.S. government plan to rid banks of toxic assets will rob American taxpayers by exposing them to too much risk and is unlikely to work… The U.S. government is basically using the taxpayer to guarantee against downside risk on the value of these assets, while giving the upside, or potential profits, to private investors… Quite frankly, this amounts to robbery of the American people. I don't think it's going to work…

Worse yet, the taxpayer bailout of Wall Street was not even accompanied by a plan to enact significant financial reforms in return for the bailout. Taleb recommends nationalization of failed corporations that are “too big to fail”, rather than simple bailouts. Otherwise the irresponsible are rewarded for their failures, as the losses incurred by their irresponsible behaviors are socialized – i.e. transmitted to ordinary Americans who are much less able to pay for them than are the financial elites. Robert Reich commented on how the Wall Street “reform” legislation of 2010 utterly failed to address the basic perversions of our financial system, especially with regard to the issue of pawning off the losses of big banks onto the American people:

The American people will continue to have to foot the bill for the mistakes of Wall Street’s biggest banks because the legislation does nothing to diminish the economic and political power of these giants. It does not cap their size. It does not resurrect the Glass-Steagall Act that once separated commercial (normal) banking from investment (casino) banking. It does not even link the pay of their traders and top executives to long-term performance. In other words, it does nothing to change their basic structure. And for this reason, it gives them an implicit federal insurance policy against failure unavailable to smaller banks – thereby adding to their economic and political power in the future.


Principle 3 – People who were driving a school bus blindfolded (and crashed it) should never be given a new one

This is just another way of saying that those who harm society should be punished rather than rewarded by given another chance to wreak damage on us. Indeed, our system works in that manner with regard to ordinary Americans. But the wealthy and well-connected usually get a free pass when they harm us, no matter how massively.

Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin provides an excellent example of how this principle is ignored with respect to wealthy and powerful people. As U.S. Treasury Secretary, Rubin pushed hard for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, both which did terrible harm to our economy and contributed greatly to our economic meltdown.

Yet despite this, the next elected Democratic president chose Rubin and men like him, including his protégé Larry Summers, to rely on for economic advice. Robert Kuttner discusses this issue in his book, “A Presidency in Peril – The Inside Story of Obama’s Promise, Wall Street’s Power, and the Struggle to Control our Economic Future”:

Given the abject failure of the financial deregulation that Rubin championed as Clinton’s top economic adviser, followed by the collapse of the business model that he promoted as senior executive at Citigroup, it is remarkable that a consummate outsider like Barack Obama did not view Rubin (or his protégé Summers) as fatally damaged goods. On the contrary, Obama felt he needed men like Rubin and Summers for tutelage, access, and validation. That itself speaks volumes about where power reposes in America…

Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent the kinds of speculative conflicts of interest that pervaded Wall Street in the 1920s and helped bring about the Great Depression (and that reappeared in the 1990s and helped cause the crash of 2007). The Clinton’ administration’s prime architect of the Glass-Steagall repeal was Robert Rubin….


Principle 4 – Don’t let someone making an “incentive” bonus manage a nuclear plant – or your financial risks

This principle speaks to the fact that today’s financial elites are rewarded with multi-million dollar “incentive” bonuses on the basis of short-term results. Consequently, many chose to pursue strategies that were likely to result in reasonably large profits in the short-term but which were highly vulnerable to economic catastrophe. No matter. They get their huge bonuses, and when their organization collapses many thousands of ordinary Americans lose their fortunes, while the top executives get to keep their multi-million dollar bonus. This is what happened when Robert Rubin, as the number two man at Citigroup, ran the organization into the ground while making $15 million a year. Robert Scheer describes this fiasco in his book, “The Great American Stickup – How Reagan Republicans and Clinton Democrats Enriched Wall Street While Mugging Main Street”:

Citigroup, under Saint Rubin’s leadership, was rushing to the cliff like a lemming, pouring resources into markets that were about to collapse… Huge losses from these mortgage securities would soon trigger a dizzying fall for “the nation’s largest and mightiest financial institution”, with Citigroup’s stock value plunging more than 90% in just two years… Those charged with overseeing deals (and regulating pay structures) were so hungry to make short term profits, they neglected to manage their colleagues who were making bad deals…


Principle 5 – Compensate complexity with simplicity

Complex systems are systems in which the failure of one part of the system is likely to lead to a failure of other parts. Furthermore, complex systems can be so difficult to understand that nobody can predict their consequences.

Robert Kuttner explains how India escaped the financial crisis experienced by so much of the rest of the world, as explained to him by Dr. Yaga Reddy, the former governor of the Bank of India, a post equivalent to that of Chairmen of the Federal Reserve in the US:

India somehow missed the consequences of the toxic products invented and exported by US financial institutions. It had no financial crisis… I asked Dr. Reddy how India managed to dodge the financial bullet. “We don’t understand these complex instruments,” he told me with a smile, “so we don’t permit them. We leave them to the advanced nations like you.”…

My reporting has confirmed that Dr. Reddy stood firm in the face of intense pressure from the governments of Britain and the United States, as well as the world’s large banks and their Indian affiliates. He was attacked as old-fashioned and rigid. The Indian central bank under his leadership persisted… to make it unprofitable for Indian banks to create and gamble in the kind of exotic derivative securities that crashed the American system… and Dr. Reddy’s banking colleagues belatedly thanked him.


Principle 6: Do not give children dynamite sticks even if they come with a warning label

Taleb explains the reasoning behind this principle. Actually, it’s kind of a follow-up principle to principle # 5:

Complex financial products need to be banned because nobody understands them, and few are rational enough to know it. We need to protect citizens from themselves, from bankers selling them “hedging” products, and gullible regulators who listen to economic theorists.


Principle 7: Only Ponzi schemes should depend on confidence. Governments should never need to “restore confidence”

Ponzi schemes, such as the one cooked up by Bernard Madoff, succeed only as long as more suckers can be found to buy into them. Such a process cannot last for the long-term because eventually you will run out of suckers. A large and legitimate system, on the other hand, such as the economic system of a superpower nation, should not have to depend upon “restoring confidence”. Matt Taibbi, in his book, “Griftopia – Bubble Machines, Vampire Squids, and the Long Con that Is Breaking America”, explains how former Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, completely missed this obvious point. In a chapter titled “The Biggest Asshole in the Universe”, Taibbi explains numerous instances of Greenspan attempting to “instill confidence” into the system:

In July 1990, at the start of the recession that would ultimately destroy the presidency of George H. W. Bush, Greenspan opined: “in the very near term there’s little evidence that I can see to suggest the economy is tilting over (into recession)”… By October, with the U.S. in the sixth of what would ultimately be ten consecutive months of job losses, Greenspan remained stubborn. “The economy”, he said, “has not yet slipped into recession.”… Before the S&L crisis exploded Greenspan could be seen giving a breezy thumbs-up to now-notorious swindler Charles Keating… The mistake he made in 1994 was even worse…. Greenspan told Congress that the risks involved with derivatives were “negligible”, testimony that left the derivatives market unregulated.

Taibbi explains the inappropriateness of “restoring confidence” in such a manner:

If the national economy is a casino and the financial services industry is turning one market after another into a Ponzi scheme, then frantically pumping new money into such a destructive system is madness, no different from lending money to wild-eyed gambling addicts… and that’s exactly what Alan Greenspan did, over and over again.

Finally, Taibbi explains Greenspan’s excuse for his many overly optimistic pronouncements and his failure to address our growing crisis in a constructive manner:

Because we at the Federal Reserve were concerned about sharp reactions in the markets that had grown accustomed to an unsustainable combination of high returns and low volatility, we chose a cautious approach… We recognized… that a shift could impart uncertainty to markets, and many of us were concerned that a large immediate move in rates could create too big a dose of uncertainty, which could destabilize the financial system.

In other words, Greenspan didn’t want to create uncertainty about the Ponzi schemes created by our financial industry.


Principle 8 – Do not give an addict more drugs if he has withdrawal pains

I’m not sure exactly what Taleb is trying to say with this one. Maybe he’s saying that if you have a bad system, you need to change the system rather than continuing to feed it. If the system is destroying people’s lives, and all we do to address that is to bail out those who caused the problem, while neglecting to make substantial changes in the system that got us into trouble, then we shouldn’t expect the results to be any better in the future. As I noted above in discussing principle # 2, in quoting Robert Reich, we bailed out the bad guys while failing to substantially change the system, and even continuing to leave the bad guys in charge of the system. That’s insane.


Principle 9 – Citizens should not depend on financial assets as a repository of value and should not rely on fallible “expert” advice for their retirement

Here is what Taleb has to say about this:

Economic life should be definancialized… Citizens should experience anxiety from their own businesses (which they control), not from their investments (which they do not control).

What Taleb is saying here is that we should not have to depend on a maze of complex financial instruments, which few if any people can understand, and which are invented by people whose main interest is to make a profit rather than to help us to ensure a comfortable retirement. As noted in my discussion of principle # 5, our economic system need not be extraordinarily complex, and in fact a major reason for our current economic tragedy is that many millions of people put their trust in a system that was so complex that nobody understood it.

In his book “Rulers and Ruled in the US Empire”, James Petras discusses what happens when we put too much trust in ??expert” elite financiers, resulting in a substantial disconnect between rising productivity of the American worker and our economic health:

Within the ruling class, the financial elite is the most parasitical component… One measure of the enormous influence of the financial ruling class in heightening the exploitation of labor is found in the enormous disparity between productivity and wages. Between 2000 and 2005, the US economy grew 12 percent, and productivity (measured by output per hour worked) rose 17 percent while hourly wages rose only 3 percent. Real family income fell during the same period… Three quarters of Americans say they are either worse off or no better off than they were six years ago…. The growth of vast inequalities between the yearly payment of the financial ruling class and the medium salary of workers has reached unprecedented levels….


Principle 10 – Make an omelet with the broken eggs

What Taleb is saying here is that we should not worry about our current system failing. It is rotten to the core, and therefore is beyond repair. We must allow it to fail, and then use the pieces to put together a new system:

The crisis of 2008 was not a problem to fix with makeshift repairs any more than a boat with a rotten hull can be fixed with ad hoc patches. We need to rebuild the new hull with stronger material; we will have to remake the system before it does so itself. Let us move voluntarily into a robust economy by helping what needs to be broken break on its own… banning leveraged buyouts, putting bankers where they belong, clawing back the bonuses of those who got us here (by claiming restitution of the funds paid to, say, Robert Rubin or banksters whose wealth has been subsidized by taxpaying schoolteachers)… Then we will see… smaller firms, a richer ecology, no speculative leverage… a world in which entrepreneurs, not bankers, take risks…


A final word on Taleb’s principles for avoiding national economic catastrophe

Though I don’t understand all of the philosophy on probability that Taleb espouses in his book, I believe that his principles that I discussed above are right on target. I do have one substantial beef with his ideas, however: He seems to say for the most part that failure to follow those principles is a matter of an error in thinking.

I don’t believe that most of this represents error. Rather, I believe that that it represents a purposeful attempt by the elites of our country to become wealthier at the expense of almost everyone else. The financial elites make reckless gambles with our money, not because they’re stupid but because they know full well that if they win they win big, whereas if they lose they still win, because we will bail them out. Their gains are privatized while their losses are socialized, not because such a system makes any sense, but because they have enough money to exert substantial control over a critical mass of our elected officials. They are not made accountable for the vast majority of their failures, simply because they have enough money, connections and power to avoid being made accountable. CEOs make multi-million dollar bonuses not because they deserve it, but simply because they have helped to design a system in which they can. They make huge short-term profits at the expense of the long-term health of their companies, not because they’re stupid, but because they personally profit from doing so. Their financial instruments are unnecessarily complex not because they need to be, but because the complexity enables them to elicit billions of dollars from suckers who are not capable of understanding those instruments or their harmful consequences. I believe that Alan Greenspan deceived the American people numerous times on the state of our economy, not to save our economy, but because that’s what Wall Street wanted him to do, and he knew his bread was buttered by Wall Street. And finally, our system has not been fixed despite overwhelming evidence that it needs to be fixed, not because those in charge of it are concerned about the welfare of ordinary Americans, but simply because they know that leaving the system as it is enables them to continue to enrich themselves.

Taleb probably knows all this, but in the interest of keeping his book apolitical he refrains from emphasizing these things – though his true feelings pop up at times through such means as his not infrequent use of the word “banksters”.

James Galbraith comments on this situation in great detail in his book, “The Predator State”, in which he describes how our country became a “predator state”:

In the late 1970s and 1980s… business leadership saw the possibility of… complete control of the apparatus of the state. In particular, reactionary business leadership, in those sectors most affected by public regulation, saw this possibility and directed their lobbies – the K Street corridor – toward this goal. The Republican Party… became the instrument of this form of corporate control… And to this group was added… those who saw the economic activities of government not in ideological terms but merely as opportunities for private profit on a continental scale… This is the predator state. It is a coalition of relentless opponents of the regulatory framework on which public purpose depends, with enterprises whose major lines of business compete with or encroach on the principal public functions of the enduring New Deal. It is a coalition, in other words, that seeks to control the state partly in order to prevent the assertion of public purpose…

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:05 AM
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1. An Excellent Piece, Sir! I cannot Recommend It Too Highly
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:21 AM
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2. I highly recommend both of Taleb's books.
Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in the Markets
The Black Swan - The Impact of the Highly Improbable

His website: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/



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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:28 AM
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3. another K&R and bkmrk -- you guys are hopping tonight. Bravo and well done
:applause:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:47 AM
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4. KnR...:o)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:54 AM
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5. "Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent the kinds of speculative conflicts
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 12:56 AM by ProSense
of interest that pervaded Wall Street in the 1920s and helped bring about the Great Depression (and that reappeared in the 1990s and helped cause the crash of 2007). The Clinton’ administration’s prime architect of the Glass-Steagall repeal was Robert Rubin…."


Robert Kuttner

Liberals cheered when Elizabeth Warren was appointed interim director of the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau after a long internal fight. The bureau, which Warren first proposed in 2007, is one of the more expansive innovations of the financial-reform law known as the Dodd-Frank Act.

<...>

The miracle of Dodd-Frank is that it got stronger as it moved through the process. The question now is whether that forward momentum will be reversed. Because the factions in the executive branch mirror those in Congress, it's worth looking back at the legislative story.

<...>

Reformers ultimately prevailed on a few key issues, including tough regulation of financial derivatives, the Volcker Rule, and Warren's consumer protection agency, while the moderates and their Wall Street allies were able to block other proposals outright, such as breaking up the big banks. But time after time, to gain the support of key swing votes, the bill's managers had to punt details to the executive branch

<...>

The premise behind the Volcker Rule, like Glass-Steagall before it, is that there is a fundamental difference between commercial banking and investment banking. Commercial banking requires detailed local knowledge and patience. Nobody gets filthy rich lending to ordinary businesses. Investment banking, by contrast, is a trading culture. You don't need to know much about the underlying business if you have a feel for doing deals and reading market trends and can make a quick fortune. In the old days, investment bankers took these risks with their own money. Since the repeal of Glass-Steagall, giant outfits like Citigroup and Bank of America do both kinds of activity, putting their customers at risk and the taxpayer on the hook.

<...>


The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau just launched its site.


Statement of U.S. PIRG

WASHINGTON - February 3 - Statement of U.S. PIRG Consumer Program Director Ed Mierzwinski on the launch of the Consumer Financial Protections Bureau's new website.

"The new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) has something new for American consumers. ConsumerFinance.gov is a government website that actually says ‘come on in and talk with us,' instead of one that says ‘go away, we cannot help.'

"The website, ConsumerFinance.gov, is chock-full of features that help show why creating the consumer bureau as part of Wall Street reform was a step toward better government, not more government.

"Even though the CFPB won't formally take on its responsibilities to help consumers navigate the financial marketplace until July, its leaders, under Professor Elizabeth Warren, are already asking consumers to tell their stories and ask questions, using the most modern web tools, including videos and social networking platforms.

<...>


The Wall Street reform law is being implemented with some positive results.

Elizabeth Warren Recruits Dodd-Frank Enforcers From 50 States

Fed's massive data release offers new insight into financial crisis

Enacted shareholder rules on executive pay

Teamsters Applaud SEC's Navistar Decision Upholding Dodd-Frank (updated)

Panel Begins to Set Rules to Govern Financial System (Volcker Rule)




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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 08:23 AM
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14. great programme from PBS on Brooksley Born's battles with Rubin, Clinton, Greenspan over derivatives
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 08:30 AM by stockholmer
In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

"I didn't know Brooksley Born," says former SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt, a member of President Clinton's powerful Working Group on Financial Markets. "I was told that she was irascible, difficult, stubborn, unreasonable." Levitt explains how the other principals of the Working Group -- former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan and former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin -- convinced him that Born's attempt to regulate the risky derivatives market could lead to financial turmoil, a conclusion he now believes was "clearly a mistake."

Born's battle behind closed doors was epic, Kirk finds. The members of the President's Working Group vehemently opposed regulation -- especially when proposed by a Washington outsider like Born.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

Brooksley Born Should Be A Household Name...Why Isn't She?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/stillidealistic/2009/10/brooksley-born-should-be-a-hou.php


Ironically, it was another little known woman, Blythe Masters, who came up with many of these toxic derivative schemes whilst working in the London City office of JP Morgan in the mid-1990's.


The woman who built financial 'weapon of mass destruction'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/sep/20/wallstreet.banking

http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/jpmorgan/investbk/solutions/commodities/team/blythemasters

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703927504575540241298913962.html

http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/blythe-masters-the-lady-who-invented-cds-is-a-key-architect-of-carbon-derivatives/
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:45 PM
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22. Brooksley Born
is a member of the FCIC.



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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 05:11 PM
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32. you need another William Black (over a 1000 bankers jailed in 1990's S&L crisis)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 01:52 PM
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23. I'm very happy to see Elizabeth Warren occupying the position that she does
Some say it's just window dressing, and indeed, we need a lot more reform on this issue. But I'm pretty sure that she will not settle for being just window dressing.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 08:01 PM
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38. Richard Cordray, the
ex-Att'y General from Ohio is going to work with her. He is great. And now the Att'y General position is held by DeWine....that's right, the asshole from Ohio who was in the US Senate and replaced by Sherrod Brown.

These repugnants never die. Well....at least Raygun did.

With changes in the law and a return of the Glass-Steagall, we're just kicking the can down the street. I think 2011 will be a financial disaster....a comeuppance for Wall Street.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 05:44 PM
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34. Still fighting the losing battle.
look at the world around you now. These token reforms have done nothing to end the pillaging and they won't mitigate the destabilizing tide of anger sweeping over the planet.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 07:28 PM
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42. Elizabeth Warren
is one smart cookie!
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 01:04 AM
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6. Wow, HUGE K&R!
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 01:07 AM by Waiting For Everyman
And the "exception" at the end was exactly right, imo. :applause:

TY!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 01:46 AM
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7. T f C
You are amazing. Thanks again for a brilliant expose'
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 02:24 AM
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8. 11. Living Wage!!1! nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 05:43 AM
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9. "People who were driving a school bus blindfolded...
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 05:48 AM by SpiralHawk
...(and crashed it) should never be given a new one."

Hello fellow American citizens. Remember the 8 years when Republicons had their mitts on the steering wheel?


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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 05:56 AM
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10. ...
:applause:
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 07:36 AM
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11. withdrawal pains
"Principle 8 – Do not give an addict more drugs if he has withdrawal pains

I’m not sure exactly what Taleb is trying to say with this one. Maybe he’s saying that if you have a bad system, you need to change the system rather than continuing to feed it. "

Injecting more money into the addicts, so they can speculate to new highs, continues both the addiction and its destructive force. You have to let them crash and burn, and suffer the withdrawal symptoms, to get them off the money drug.


As far as blaming the republican party, I don't think it matters which party any more. Both are bought and sold by Wall Street. Clinton brought us the end of Glass-Steagall. The appointment of Elizabeth Warren by this administration, in the face of the bailouts, derugulation, failure to re-instate Glass-Steagall, etc., strikes me as window dressing.

Warren will be allowed to nibble around the edges in order to placate the masses and buy more time for the robbery to continue. While Mrs. Obama will follow her new interest of dabbling in organic gardening in $450 Jimmy Choo shoes.

Taleb has the right prescription, but the elite have no interest in following it. Because *you* are fundamentally right. They do *not* care what happens to the rest of us. Or perhaps they do care. Maybe they've taken to heart the fact that we live on a finite planet that cannot support in comfort -- never mind extreme luxury -- the current number of humans occupying it. So they care that enough survive to wait on and serve them. The sooner the rest of us die off and go extinct, the better. They are that hateful, greedy and narcissistic.


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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 10:52 AM
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16. At least Clinton
Admitted that the repeal of G/S was one of his biggest mistakes. As I understand it, the actual part of Graham,Leach, Bliley that did the most damage was inserted by Phil Graham in the middle of the night.

All that matters little though. R or D, they just don't care about us~
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 11:14 AM
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18. thankyou for that info
I didn't know he'd admitted what a horrific mistake it was.

R&D work for TPTB. It's not just that they don't care about us. It's that they actively want us dead. They know the earth's resources are finite and the population was decrease if they are to continue in fabulous luxury. Therefore, some of us must die. They don't particularly care which, as long as enough survive to wait on and serve them.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 04:37 PM
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29. Until all of us understand your last sentence, we will flounder. nm
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 07:46 AM
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12. K & R (n/t)
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 08:00 AM
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13. spot on post, highly recommended, with one small caveat (in regards to Progressive Era)
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 08:01 AM by stockholmer
I tend to agree with New Left historian Gabriel Kolko in his book "The Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916."
In it, he lays out a case for the rise of modern corporatist system during the Progressive Era.
This in turn, allows for the violation of the post's Principle 2 – No socialization of losses and privatization of gains
(ie the confluence of big business and big government in mutual reinforcement)

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Conservatism-Gabriel-Kolko/dp/0029166500




Kolko was soon joined by other New Left historians such as William Appleman Williams in challenging the reigning "corporate liberal" orthodoxy. Rather than "the people" being behind these "progressive reforms," it was the very elite business interests themselves responsible, in an attempt to cartelize, centralize and control what was impossible due to the dynamics of a competitive and decentralized economy.

.............in advancing the corporate liberalism idea whereby the old Progressive historiography of the "interests" versus the "people" was reinterpreted as a collaboration of interests aiming towards stabilizing competition . According to Grob and Billias, "Kolko believed that large-scale units turned to government regulation precisely because of their inefficiency" and that the "Progressive movement - far from being antibusiness - was actually a movement that defined the general welfare in terms of the well-being of business" . Kolko, in particular, broke new ground with his critical history of the Progressive Era. He discovered that free enterprise and competition were vibrant and expanding during the first two decades of the twentieth century; meanwhile, corporations reacted to the free market by turning to government to protect their inherent inefficiency from the discipline of market conditions. This behavior is known as corporatism, but Kolko dubbed it "political capitalism." Kolko's thesis "that businessmen favored government regulation because they feared competition and desired to forge a government-business coalition" is one that is echoed by many observers today . Former Harvard professor Paul H. Weaver uncovered the same inefficient and bureaucratic behavior from corporations during his stint at Ford Motor Corporation (see Weaver's The Suicidal Corporation <1988>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Kolko
http://users.crocker.com/~acacia/kolko.html
http://miltenoff.tripod.com/Kolko.html
http://www.stateofnature.org/liberalElitesAnd.html


once again, superb post!
cheers
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:04 PM
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19. Thank you much
I don't quite understand Kolko's unusual interpretation of the Progressive Movement. One of the main features of that movement was trust busting. It also included such things as an 8-hour work day, safe working conditions, safe food and drugs (the FDA), the enfranchisement of women, the abolishment of child labor, minimum wage, and much more such things. I don't understand how those things can be considered pro-corporate/anti-people.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 03:54 PM
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26. the big firms gave in on many things that would have eventually been outlawed anyway
...due to societal pressure, plus made it look like they were "busted trusts", whilst in reality they were simply a more complex hidden monopoly (ATT in USA is great example, broken up and now is back together)

These concessions did not affect the bottom line as negatively in a fundamental way as getting the government to take over regulation of their competition affected them in a POSITIVE way.

Thus armed with the power of regulation (see todays FDA run by nothing but big pharma and big agra ex execs and the Fed Reserve, SEC and Treasury all run by ex big bankers) they could lay out a system designed to crush small and mid-sized firms with rules that they wrote to their benefit through influence on the so-called regulators.

Scale of economy and raw influence trumps a free and open market every time. Is the old story of a rabbit begging a wolf to not throw it in the briar patch (knowing full well that the briar patch will stop the wolf from eating rabbit, even though at first glance the briar patch looks like it will rip rabbit apart).

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 09:58 AM
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15. K&R ! //nt
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 10:57 AM
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17. "put together a new system"
amen, k&r
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:32 PM
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20. Re the numerous references to Alan Greenspan, am proud to have proffered on this board innumerable
times: Greenspan, a name that will live in infamy. A tour de force as always: if only a majority of Americans comprehended the ten principles you have enumerated in this treatise, our politicians would told in a loud and clear unified voice that this nonsense must cease immediately for it will no longer be tolerated! ;)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 10:10 PM
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39. Thank you - You sure did have Greenspan pegged accurately
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:40 PM
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21. Excellent!
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 02:21 PM
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24. Man, #5 is awesome.
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 02:22 PM by napoleon_in_rags
“We don’t understand these complex instruments,” he told me with a smile, “so we don’t permit them. We leave them to the advanced nations like you.”…

That really makes a lot of sense, but even more generally people need to get their heads around the fact that information is real. We have economic models which state that individuals look at their options (take in information) and make the best decision for their interests. People wave their hands at the first step, assessment, as somehow being simple when its not: The more complex the market, the more difficult it is, the more time and money it takes to figure out what is going on to make informed choices. Others are actively spending time and money to shape your assessments to help their interests. The whole free market model is predicated on people being able to make honest assessments of the market (in Adam Smith's examples this was trivial) but the growth of complexity ensures they can't, and financial predators, the inventors of the 6 pages of complex small print at the bottom of the contract, understand this.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 02:37 PM
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25. Kicked and Recommended Screaming from the Rooftops! n/t
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blue97keet Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 03:54 PM
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27. Don't build an economy like an un-compartmentalized Titanic
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 04:03 PM by blue97keet
and let "free trade" cause a catastrophic imbalance and capsize everything. Most engineering disasters are due to a lack of firewalling, redundancy, too much inappropriate interconnectedness. A little more isolationism and protectionism is in order.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 03:59 PM
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28. K & R for posting what many have been saying here on DU ever since the gangster bankster crime
of the century!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 04:39 PM
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30. Thanks, as always a great post. nm
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 04:57 PM
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31. Excellent piece. But I have one rule for avoiding economic catastrophe:
Don't let Repukes run anything. Ever. PERIOD.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 05:17 PM
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33. EXCELLENT k, r and bookmarked! n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 06:37 PM
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35. Kick (nt)
:kick:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 07:42 PM
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36. Brilliant...K & R, and bookmarked.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 07:57 PM
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37. The entire purpose of Big Biz is
to take mammoth risks, enrich themselves until they one day, of course, fail....then charge the taxpayer for the risks taken and lost.

This is their true purpose. Our paradigm can not continue much longer....we are eating our tail.

I hate Corporations...and Banksters in particular.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 07:25 PM
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40. Bravo & reposted (I hope with your approval!)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 07:27 PM
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41. great post. just read that book.
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