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IndyPragmatist Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:07 AM
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Local news lying about winter storm....
So, I work for the State of Indiana. I've been at work every day this week helping respond to the huge snow and ice storm that hit much of the eastern US.

Part of my job is to monitor the media and to provide them with accurate information. Well, when the storm was approaching, things looked REALLY bad. Here in Indy, we were expecting 1.5 inches of ice, with another inch of sleet, and a few inches of snow. If that happened, things would have been shut down all week.

But they didn't happen that way. Don't get me wrong, the storm was bad. But central Indiana dodged a huge amount of the storm.

Around noon Tuesday, NOAA and NWS reports were showing that it would warm up a bit, and we would get much more sleet and much less ice. Various government agencies put this information out. But the weathermen didn't update their forecasts. They kept calling it the storm of the century, and predicting huge ice totals.

We gave them the benefit of the doubt at first. The information was new, and it takes a bit of effort to put the TV weather stuff together. So we didn't expect them to change their forecast for the noon news hour. But they didn't update their forecast at all that day.

At the 6pm news block, everyone was still claiming we would get over an inch of ice, but all the weather models showed that this wasn't true. When they showed the Doppler radar, if you knew a decent amount about weather, you could tell that we were going to get sleet and rain.

But they kept saying it was ice, and it would be devastating.

It wasn't. But again, the local news REFUSED to admit this.

Indianapolis did an amazing job of getting salt on the roads and keeping them clear. By Wednesday morning, the interstates were clear, and all main roads were in amazing shape. But the news kept saying that roads were all terrible.


Here in Indy, all the news stations are pretty much located within a few blocks of each other near downtown. All of the streets in that area were clear. 95% of the time when we get bad weather, they just send someone outside to show the roads in front of them. Well, they didn't want to show a perfectly clear road. So they drove away from downtown, to subdivisions and residential roads that were not plowed (by city policy to clear main roads first). And they claimed that ALL roads were like this. All the while, state officials were saying that main roads were great.


I didn't get it at first, until I realized that Sweeps week starts today.

For those of you that don't know, sweeps week is when ad rates are set for the year, so TV stations try to get breaking investigative reports and stuff to lure you in (this is also why new seasons of TV shows start about now).

So it became very obvious that the news here in Indy was intentionally withholding information to keep ratings up. The big school districts went on record saying that they made their decision to close schools today largely based on the information given by local news.

So schools are cancelled today, when streets are pretty damn good.

I've heard rumblings that Mitch Daniels is very upset with this. State and county government offices never closed for the storm. But the news kept saying that nobody should go to work and to stay inside.

I fully believe that these stations were trying to make the storm out to be much worse that it was to build ratings. If you can't go to work, you are more likely to watch the local news. And if you are afraid to go outside, you won't realize that the main roads are fine, and that the news crews are presenting the worst areas as if all roads are like this.




I find this odd because most people are aware of bias in national news sources like Fox, MSNBC, and CNN, but they think local news is better. People in this city are acting as if we had the worst storm in Indiana history, when the truth of the matter is, this isn't even the worst storm of the season. It amazes me how people will believe whatever they are told.
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Denninmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:13 AM
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1. Yup.
One of our local stations here did a promo for their weather team for a while -- the tag line was "We want you prepared, not scared."

Then, of course, their "Storm Team" has to go out every time there is a single snowflake and hype it up like it is a War of the Worlds type invasion or something.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:17 AM
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13. Storm Team 8 or WWMT?
I never believe anything either station has to say about weather reports; they've been wrong more than right for too many DECADES for me to trust them as a source...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 06:55 PM
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15. Same here. I never trust their weather.
Weatherbug works well here in the Creek
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:19 AM
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2. I guess it helped them with their ratings...
but not with their credibility.

BTW I was driving through Indy monday night - the 5% of the storm when the roads weren't clear. Scary stuff.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:25 AM
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3. I used to pimp footage from a ski resort to the L.A. stations
I called one and got to the right guy and you have about 10 seconds to pitch so: "hi Bob, Kurt at Mammoth, we got some great footage of the OP Snowboard competition today, lot's of Southern Cal participants and fans. It is going to the plane now. Can you use it?"

Bob: "We got a plane crash in the desert here and police raid on a party. Snowboarding ?! how many dead ?" -click-

I believe it.

In the words of John Mayer:

"And when you trust your television,
what you get is what you got
'cause when they own the information,
oh, they can bend it all they want."

That's why we're waiting on the weather to change.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:27 AM
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4. Several Points...
You are correct that stations love massive storms...they are ratings killers. I'm in Chicago and all the major stations were wall-to-wall snow coverage that was pretty much spot on as far as the forecasting and reporting of the storm. The weatherdude on WGN was spot on about the exact amount of snow that fell over the area, yet there were still "heroes" who went out in this storm thinking they were invincible and required being rescued.

Radio is another story. While major TV stations have a staff meteorologist, radio stations rely on "rip and read" forecasts from a news wire. In most cases those forecasts are updated every 6 hours and thus they will continue to use the old forecast until a new one comes out. But that's assuming the station has a live staff...many now don't. What many stations do is "outsource" their news and weather to a national or regional "hub" so that the person reading the forecast on your local station isn't even in the area. Making changes are next to impossible as so many of these stations are on autopilot with no live news department to update information.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:30 AM
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5. Maybe, maybe your local news people did for the reason stated.
I'm north of you in southern Lake County in NW IN. Our news here was right on and I credit the news media for getting it right as it may have saved lives. Better to err in favor of caution in life threatening situations in my book. But, this isn't to say that you weren't experiencing a local media grab for ratings.

Welcome to DU!
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IndyPragmatist Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:46 AM
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7. You are right about NW IN...
You guys got hit hard. I am specifically speaking about the Indianapolis media and their coverage of the conditions in the Indianapolis area.


As I said before, the Mayor and Governor made the call to keep city, county, and state offices open all week. We had people go home early Tuesday to prevent congestion during rush hour, and delayed wednesday to allow daylight.

Yet, the newspaper and TV stations were telling people not to leave the house. Everyone I have spoken to in Indianapolis has said how amazed they were with the road conditions, they were all under the impression that they were still terrible.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:24 PM
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19. I think Karma Train's reply is probably what happened...#4.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:38 AM
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6. "You don't need a weatherman
to know which way the wind blows"
seems appropriate here.

Seems like they were definitely lying for the ratings.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:50 AM
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8. dog bites man
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:59 AM
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9. Another Indy resident here ...
... welcome to DU! :hi:

And I agree with you, it got to the point on Tuesday evening where I just had to turn the tv off because I felt like I was starting to get an ulcer ... it was almost like they stopped just short of saying "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!" Especially Fox and WTHR. :(
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IndyPragmatist Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:14 AM
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12. I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed
And I agree that Fox59 and WTHR were the worst.

Tuesday night, as temperatures were rising above freezing, they still were claiming that we would get another 1" to 1.5" of ice that night when all models were saying otherwise.

Then they have the audacity to claim "an identical storm may hit Indiana early next week." It's pathetic.


Oh, and I'm sure most already know this, but local news has almost nothing to do with the network affiliate. I hear many people act as if Fox59 in Indianapolis is like FoxNews. This is not true. Fox59 is probably the most liberal of the 4 major stations in Indy. It's owned by the Tribune Corp, not Fox.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:29 PM
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22. I'm in Indy too...
If they can't fill up an hour of "news" with the weather or sports, they've got nothing to talk about.

Schools are closed again tomorrow. Major streets are in fine shape, but the residential areas, at least here on the far southeast side, are pathetic.

I've only fallen down five times so far. The lawn is as slick as the street.

Life is good. :hi:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:09 AM
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10. welcome to DU--I never trust the local weather guessers-- I watch the doppler from TWC and can
figure it out for myself.

a number of years ago, I was visiting a friend in phoenix, and there was a big storm out in the pacific. every ten minutes, the local stations had "hurricane updates" about how much rain phoenix was going to get. I called one station and asked if they actually knew how far phoenix was from the coast (especially considering the storm was somewhere between hawaii and california)
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:11 AM
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11. Sorry you (and everyone else there) got caught up in the politics
of the situation. It's not fair to the public and I've heard the same complaint from several areas of the country during this storm.

That's why I subscribe to a pro weather site. The darned forecasts posted out at the public pages at many of the major sites are all a result of a committee (some hype from some, some model hugging, others afraid to commit or playing weather mavericks), then once that goes through the radio/tv stations "meteorologists", the forecast has been watered down even more and doesn't really mean a whole lot.

It sucks, but I subscribe to get the models, model discussions and forecasts from single forecasters and other people like me. OK - I'm a weather geek and willing to pay for my 'fix'. I don't even look at the local mets anymore. They're all full of hot air (except maybe "Hurricane" Schwartz). I love Bastardi at AW, but find one of the other big guys there to be a Mr. Milk Toast and flip-flopper.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 04:56 PM
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14. That would explain why The Weather Channel said my city would hit FOURTEEN BELOW!!!
a new record since 1879 . . .

It was 6 below for about an hour and then the sun came up.

No big deal.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:28 PM
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21. TWC was started by John Coleman from Chicago. WORST. WEATHERMAN. EVER.
or the best...because whatever he predicted, the exact opposite was sure to happen. always.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 06:58 PM
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16. interesting.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:11 PM
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17. I'm sure they paid good money for that STORM WATCH!!!elevens!!! graphic...
Human suffering sells. Pathetic, isn't it?
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:18 PM
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18. Local news is just silly. I don't watch it.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:28 PM
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20. Local news is a big clown audition.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:05 PM
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23. Oh yeah


When I worked at White Columns, where we had TV and radio stations, there were reminders posted everywhere - even on the rest room doors - about the importance of sweeps week.

This is when all the loonies go more loonie - and if it bleeds, it leads.

But a credible news organization wouldn't use hyperbole to get a few more fear-prone listeners, would it?

Wouldn't lie to the public just to pad their numbers?



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