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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 11:59 PM
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He Made A Fatal Mistake When He Hired Thugs To Fire Upon His Own People...He Must Go
Not in months or week...now. He made a fatal mistake and there is no way he can now draw his presidency out. Obama will have to cut him loose.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:12 AM
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1. the Egyptians aren't his "people".
He's a dictator. They're his slaves. And they don't like that anymore.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:14 AM
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2. He should've went before he open fired on his people
and Obama should've stopped supporting this guy from the getgo. He's a dictator. Nuf said.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:15 AM
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3. k*r Out now, not later.
No negotiations, just leave with the rest of the cronies. His son already left.

He's simply awful. Then we'll get some truth about how renditions were conducted in behalf of
the Bush WH.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:02 AM
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24. I Wonder How Worried They Are About Those Renditions Of Bush & Cheney
Becoming an issue and.... if El Baradei gets in how things will be different.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:17 AM
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4. and imprisoning and torturing dissidents for 30 years nt
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:18 AM
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5. K&R ! Yes Please !! //nt
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:25 AM
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6. I guess we'll find out in the morning if there's any limit to Obama's support for Mubarak
So far Mubarak has taken his signals as a green light. It's up to Obama now to disassociate the United States from this brutal repression by its client. He has about 12 hours to decide and act. It will be a very long lasting impression with the Egyptian people either way, (we're still living down a negative impression we made with the Iranians decades ago) so I hope he finally chooses to smack Mubarak down like he should have done earlier.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:26 AM
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7. What are you expecting President Obama to do? n/t
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:32 AM
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8. Withdraw support, cut off aid , withdraw legitimacy from Mubarak's govt.
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 12:39 AM by kenny blankenship
Denounce him as a murdering thug.

Until Mubarak goes, no help from us. No arms, no ammunition, no spare parts, no intelligence sharing, no cooperation, no money, no nothing. Stop talking to Mubarak. Talk only to his Generals, to El-Baradei, and the opposition. The prick will understand the meaning of that instantly for the same reason he never named a VP for thirty years. Even if you can't. He'll leave or be deposed by his military.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:39 AM
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11. Demanding that he step down and cutting aid
is not going to impact the short term, which could mean months.

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:06 AM
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17. Making things crystal clear to the military will impact the short term
and it's the only leverage we have, no matter how long it may take to work. And actually it's PLENTY. They know who provides them all their toys and they don't want to be cut off.

Watching the Egyptian military vacillate between initial support of the anti-Mubarak demonstrations and then stepping aside Wednesday to allow Mubarak thugs to hack and burn the demonstrators down makes it clear to me that Mubarak still enjoys our support, or else many people in Egypt are victims of a mistaken belief that he does. Hopefully after the past 24 hrs of horrors, he no longer will. I expect to hear something VERY DEFINITE on that point tomorrow morning. Up to now, we have either expressed conditional support for Mubarak (begin your "transition" Hosni - take as long as you like, just announce a beginning so people will get off our backs!) , or else we failed to make clear to the Egyptian military that for our cozy relationship to continue we will insist on a resolution to the legitimacy crisis that is definite, democratic, and rapid. If they understood that Mubarak was history, they'd start to act like it. They aren't acting that way so they must be confused. It's past time now for Obama to drop the nebulous, vague horseshit about people and their aspirations and transitional phases and get down to the nuts and bolts of what we expect in exchange for any future support. People are dying in Cairo right now for lack of clarity.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:38 AM
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10. How about this ....

QUOTE -- PICK UP FROM ANOTHER WEBSITE --



WHERE IS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

(1) A plan to cut off all aid and all economic ties to Egypt if the government-sponsored attacks on peaceful demonstrators continue?

(2) A specific condemnation against all attacks against journalists, and an international plan to protect them?

(3) An honest accounting of the role played by the Egyptian military in facilitating these attacks by violent thugs against unarmed civilians?

(4) An international demand that Mubarak and his new “vice president”--torture general Omar Suleiman--immediately leave office and stand trial for crimes against humanity?

(5) A call for the United States to stop lying about its actions and admit its involvement in the planning and execution of these horrific events?

(6) A U.N. security council plan to expel the United States, Israel, and Egypt from the United Nations if they continue to engage in actions that constitute a serious threat to world peace? (Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. military and economic aid, and Egypt is the second largest.)

(7) A list of all the corporations that profit from selling military equipment and supplies to countries in the Middle East, and an accounting of exactly how much money to the penny that each business executive and investor made on these immoral transactions in 2010?

(8) A plan to take away the broadcast licenses of all the major media corporations in the U.S. that effectively blacked out or completely distorted the details of the attack on civilians in Tahrir Square?

(9) A plan to fire all the pundits and “journalists” who have (a) covered up information about the actual planners and directors of these events, and (b) neglected to specify their actual motivations: resource monopolization and citizen control? The coverage throughout the entire U.S. mainstream media today was utterly and unforgivably atrocious.

(10) A call for a general strike in the United States to take control of our own government and put a stop to this murderous foreign policy?

I invite others to add to this list.

* * *

I want to echo a resounding call of appreciation in honor of the extraordinarily brave Egyptian workers and students who withstood the attacks by Mubarak’s thugs in Tahrir Square today—the bricks, stones, knives, gunshots, Molotov cocktails (petrol bombs), fires, water cannons, tear gas, metal pipes, bottles, office chairs, two-by-fours, kicks, punches, slashes, cuts, stabs, and everything else. They are all heroes!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:42 AM
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12. So you want more ultimatums
and then what?

There have been plenty of ultimatums. The threat of cutting aid has been made.

"(8) A plan to take away the broadcast licenses of all the major media corporations in the U.S. that effectively blacked out or completely distorted the details of the attack on civilians in Tahrir Square?"

WTF?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:48 AM
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13. How about less MIC, less taxpayer money going to weapons production ...and less war?
We need a power shift -- and it should begin in 2012 with Obama stepping down --

Let's make that an "ultimatum"!!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:52 AM
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15. "We need a power shift -- and it should begin in 2012 with Obama stepping down --"
Somehow this appears to be the main concern and not the well-being of Egyptians.

It's not happening.


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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:15 PM
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25. You always criticize but never give any suggestions of your own. nm
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 04:14 AM
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23. Poor Obama! Being a president is so hard! How will he know which choice is right?!
Even McCain is calling for Mubarak's resignation. How pathetic is that?

My guess is that he'll fund the pro-Mubarak forces while giving pretty speeches about "maybe he should think about stepping down if he can't keep order." That's "bipartisan" right?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:37 AM
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9. Isn't this the kind of macho stuff our Pentagon loves? We don't really know
what's going on in the way of support by Obama/Israel/Pentagon whatever ==

But agree -- Mubarak is just a thug hiring other thugs at $17 a day to kill for him --

and they're doing it!!

A dictator has now ensured that US torture/rendition coordinator -- Sueliman -- is in place!!

Shame! Disgusting!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:50 AM
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14. Not everyone in the world
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:07 AM
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18. After 30 years of US dominating Egypt, isn't a little late for that attitude?
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 03:36 AM
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21. The comment you replied to was a mind-numbing statement.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:57 AM
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16. I'm thinking Obama may have already said he's cutting the purse strings because
there will be no more US jets out of Egypt after --tomorrow, I think.

If that happened, Mubarak might have said he'd stop letting us fly in/out, or maybe Obama just doesn't want to take a chance since Mubarak is unpredictable. Just conjecture, but I wonder what prompted the Last Call.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:11 AM
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19. Huge demand for Obama to stop financing Mubarak and supplying weapons....
Jets, bullets, tear gas, tanks - all "MADE IN USA" --

I'm thinking Obama may have already said he's cutting the purse strings because
there will be no more US jets out of Egypt after --tomorrow, I think.


That may have more to do with their knowledge of a massacre of the protesters --
let's see what happens today --

More Mubarak thugs in masks surrounding Liberation Square this morning?

Cars arriving loaded with Molotov cocktails?

$17 a day can buy a murderer for Mubarak!!





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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 01:24 AM
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20. If there are Americans left behind, what do you think would happen? nt
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 03:53 AM
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22. I woulda beet feet to Israel when it ramped up
I woulda bought a sweater and hired a seat in an AC Mini to GTFO.
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